Nanapariri

Sounds like a nice gorup Thay but I was never interested in WOW lol. I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk but I did want to point this out. The reason why you guys are trying to over-do it is because the FFXI RP community was fragmented and competive. You evidently haven't experienced the type of community you are trying to create so its hard for you to believe that drama won't destroy it unless you resrict people a lot. Please keep in mind that the examples I'm giving from Starsider are because they are sucessful. They have been around for 5+ years and still are around. They are so famous and respected the devs of SWG select a roleplay senator to communicate feedback from the Roleplayers there. There once were 2 Roleplay servers but when population became an issue what did they do? They petitioned the devs to transfer to Starsider and integrated with their RP Community. They are respected and successfully still so I think it would be wise for this coalition to take a look at what they have done. How many of you have been in a cross guild community before? Instead of guess at what \"might\" happen find out what actually happens in a large RP Community before making decisons. Talk with the Admins etc. I think thi give the FFXIV RPC a better chance at succeeding. Since all events won't be exactly the same a boiler plate standard really won't work. Example is what I remember from Starsider one year: 1) New years party whic was basically just show up and chat. 2) Bachleor Auction. 3) Gamblin Casino night with a drawing. 4) Galaxies greatest fighter tornament. Was PVP with and audience. 5) The Plague- A story heavey event where a plague swept through the community. There was a basic arch and then everyone also incorparated it in private RP. A few events happened where whoever wanted to attend attended. It was great fun. 6) Imperial Officer Ball. 7) Gang War between the criminals in the community. 8) Rogue Jedi event where all the lightsiders tried to stop a darksider that went nuts. There was more but if you see the varying themes you can see how one set of rules couldn't work for every scenario.

Ok one more psot before I have to run off to work: Castiel- I understand you were offended but that doesn\'t mean everyone would look that bad. There will always be people who won\'t like certain guilds for stupid reasons and getting more restrictive would only \"prove\" it if the guy says RPC are jerks. As far as public, most general players will hate and think RPers are stupid no matter what, and unless they\'re disruptive or harassing I ignore them. If they don\'t get a rise out of the RPC they will stop eventually. As for definitions, fine have the RPC in their harrassment post define harassment for the group as a whole, those are the broad things I\'m talking about. We define our behavior policies and in the events the hosts implement it. The hosts determine if the battles are decided via randoms or whatever if its a fight tournament though. You cannot force everyone to use one battle system so its better to avoid it IMO since you would only generate OOC drama. If its left to guilds, indviduals on and encounter and event basis its fine. If you don\'t believe me that is all Starsider used successfully please examine their forums. PM Tziana or something. Try and learn what they did successfully before deciding to make too many rules. Kes- The point of having a journal thread is to share all your interactions throughout the community. What you are talking about is only an issue if a community atmosphere isn\'t fostered. On Starsider we all recognized every action with everyone as having happened and it was know throughout the whole community. Again please read the forum there. What made it so fantastic there is it felt like a small real-world community not a collection of unrelated characters.

Castiel all of the problems you mention are only an issue if you have RCP event standards that differ from gathering to gathering and its just too complicated. On Starsider the events open to everyone were handled exactly the same as the only 2 guild events. The Community was, at all times, expected to follow those guidelines on how to handle harrassment: Calling a GM if needed. At larger events we just had more hosts to handle issues if they came up. That solves it. To answer your conflict question, again on Starsider, if the event involved conflict the organizer/host made up the battle rules for that event. If you wanted to attend and participate you had to follow the event rules. Everyone knew this and it never was a problem. If a fight broke out at a gathering then the people used the standards they posted and communicated OOC and decided, since the fight involved just their characters and did nothing to the group/gathering as a whole, for themselves how to handle a fight. Also if the event host thought these guys were being distracting they would /tell the guys to go away from the group to handle the fight. Again its trusting people enogh not to try and police every little thing. Really, IMO, since just having behavior standards in Starsider worked that's all we need to do really. Too many rules and the coalition looks like jerks. I think the following rules would be enough: 1) No griefing or harrassing other guilds or coalition members in the game or on the board. Guilds are expected to deal with members who are habitual harrassers and if they don't the entire guild may be expelled from the RPC. 2) At RPC Sponsered Events: A) Regardless of personal rules any guild attending is expected to abide by the rules of the hosts and organizers of the event. B) Hosts are expected to control the behavior of the attenders and if someone refuses to stop inappropriate behavior will report the person to the GMs. As for "the last hope" that's just silly to take issue with. That's like arguing with me for thinking red is the best color ever. Only direct slander of a guild in the coalition or as a whole might need to be addressed. Since its someone elses board just PM the poster and if they don't retract report them to that board's moderators to deal with.

I'll put an example of how you'd handle IC and OOC in a guild post from experience and a hypotheical scenario. As a note: There are always people that start an OOC grudge from IC. There are always people that take things too far. There will always be differences of opinion. You can't please or include everyone in everything and feeling will be hurt. How do you get around this? Good OOC Communication. With any event there should be a discussion and question and answer thread in the event post where most things can be aired out ahead of time. If you aren't sure you can come to an event give an OOC note to the LS and ask. Example: A post of the FishyFaceLaLa LS, a Lalafaliel only fisherman's Group (ie they RP as a fisheman's guild), pot the following: Name of Event: Fishtatic Saturday In-game Contact: lululalalele Location: Larson Lake, East Terryburg POS: H7 Date: Saturday 5/8/11 Time: 8:00 PM Pacific Description: IC: Come and get to know your mates better! Bring Guests and Family. There will be food and contests to see who can catch the biggest fish, gut the fish and make the most fish dishes in 5 minutes. No Thieves Allowed! OOC: This is a guild event but we are leaving it open to the public but you must apply in this thread. The no theives comment is IC since our guild is RPing a fued with ThievesGo LS. If you are a thief and want to come or have questions post here. We welcome IC crashers but please no unexpected ones at the event. ---------------------------------------------------- Kittyclepto posts: Hi Lu sounds fun. TheivesGo would love to crash you guys IC. It would be a fun RP! What do you say! _____ Lululalalele posts: Sure! If you plan to do anything that might ICly disrupt the contests would be the only problem. If you guys keep it to just crashing and participating and arguing its good. ----- Kittyclepto posts: That's reasonable Lu but I was hoping to challenge you to a duel. We can do it after your contests end. You know put on a real show for everyone. ---- Lululalalele posts: Sure. PM me and w can hash the rest out. --- Mo'quote Fisherman: Hey Lu. I'm not in your guild and know none of you guys IC. I'd love to come though. --- Lululalalele posts: No problem we can RP meeting and I'll invite you IC. How's that? Part of planning a large event is the prestuff and being proactive. If its a limited or closed event like the above job specific one then you just clarify ahead of time. In the above example say ThievesGo crashes without posting. In that case Lululalalele would send a tell to CleptoKitty, the LS Leader, and talk it out. She would have the right to say. "I'm sorry it would of been fun but we posted in the thread if you wanted to come you needed to post and work things out ahead of time. I don't have time to figure things out right now." If TheivesGo got mad and started disrupting Lululalalele would call the GM if they wouldn't stop. Lululalalele also could take the time to hash it out there and let them come. Its up to her. Bottomline: You can't police everything and you have to have trust your fellow coalition members to handle thing intelligently. In the 2 years I RPed on Starsider I never saw the huge horrible problems develope you all are worried about. I think you are making it more complex than it needs to be. What's the point of a coalitions if you aren't going to trust people with enough freedom to have fun?

I'm a girl actually lol. Anyway all I can tell you is that Starsider has managed to run 5 + years without and major incident the caused the community to self destruct. Short Answer to the hypothetical situation: The person handling an event has the absolute right to ask anyone to leave for any reason since they are hosting an event. If people see someone excluding a person or group and it was unreasonable generally other people left the event and they stopped Rping or attending any events hosted by that guild. If you read Tziana's post (who is an awesome admin) you'll see if a fight broke out and you asked them to leave and they don't or feel harassed you call a GM and let the game people handle the jerk like you would in any game. This leaves the people with the power to deal with the person disrupting the game to decide the issue. I personally only had to threaten "I'm asking you just one more time to leave peacefully or I'll be forced to report you to the GM" and they left. If people started fighting I kicked both people involved from the event no exceptions. The only way it became a colaition issue is if that guild had posted "Anyone from X guild isn't allowed" in the post advertising it then the Admin would step in and lock the thread. If someone did that usually they slit their throat with the over-all community and only rped with their clique. If they persisted Tziana would ban the individual from the forum. If their buddies took it up on the forum they were banned. This made sure people behaved. The difference with what's being purposed here is that if behavior was so bad an entire guild, as defined by rules, could be kicked from the RPC. You can't control grudges but you can control behavior. I Rped in Starsider with people who had grudges and they just avoided one another and Rped with other people at the event. It can and has been done. Those people behaved because they didn't want to be kicked from the board or events where some of thier friends were there.

The citizen introduction thread can be seen here: Starsider Citizen thread As you can see its a citizen directory then we had a wiki: Wiki In this people generally put allowances in it so others that wanted to RP with someone could check and send a PM or something. Here, for example, was mine from one of my characters: This was done in an effort so RPers could find eachother and RP across guilds and find people with a similiar RP style.

This is Starsider Communities current policy: The "Citizen" posts were different than the guild organization in starsider. I'll explain how they handle it with links for reference. There was a forum titled "Galactic Events". Anyone and everyone could plan and event but there were guidelines on how it would be posted like so: After a run at separating the event commentary by others from the event threads/information, we have decided to return to allowing people to add their comments to the threads in this section. This post will address the guide lines for posting in this section, and any relevant rules. When posting an event, please post all relevant information in the first post as this helps to keep all the information in one place for people to read. If any changes to the event information occurs, it is recommended to just edit the first post, and keep all details current there. The initial post should contain details such as time, place, any rules, and other related information as needed. Threads should be locked a week after the event is completed, if applicable, to help keep the section from being bloated by threads going on from events that have already ended. Please keep all comments and posts relevant to the event thread itself. Lately, there has been a trend to bump up a thread by just posting '/bump' or something to that effect. We ask that people please desist from doing that. If you want to post a reminder in the thread on the day of the event or close to it, then that is understandable. Suggested event template for posting events -- Name of Event: In-game Contact: Server: Location: Waypoint: Date: Description: People would post their events using the template in the forum and could put it on the site calendar also if they wanted. Also, my baby that I started is still being run by another person now, was a thread specifically for regularlly reoccuring events with an open invitation for the entire RP Community. For Incstance I was in a guild of hostess Twileks, sort of like Geisha concept, and we has a weekly social and it was on this thread. This is the formatt for this thread.:

What I see being discussed is really 3 separate issues in regards to behaivor people are worried about who haven't actually experienced a coalitions and are interpreting it in the terms of a Super Guild. I'll address each so I'll put in my experience, having been in Starsider RP Community, which has been a success running for 5-6 years straight and being still in existance. 1) Behavior during cross-guild events is the prime focus of Castiel right now so I'll address this first. Starsider, when I was there, had as many as 10-15 cross guild events in one year. Each varied in size and not everyone attended all of them. Usually most people attended a few throughout the year. This inspired people to be creative and have fu with people outside of their LS. This engendered a lot of palyers freely meeting and RPing with people in different guilds. When creating guidelines its best not to make them so restrictive that it discourages these events and allows the organizier to create the event specific guidelines as needed. For instance the "New years Masquerade Ball" had very few restrictions but PVP "Galaxies Strongest" event had a lot of rules since it was a contest. Since every event will be differently themed and of different sizes you can't regulate all of it. I suggest the following rules to make it a sponsered event: 1) An organizer or organizers must be in charge of the event who are responsible for making sure everyone is having a good time and can regulate disputes that arise in the event. If these people are in control of the event then a dispute won't become a large issue and will be settled right there. For instance I was in a guild that held socials once a week and there was always one of us guildies there to obeserve. If we saw someone harrassing, god-moding etc we sent a tell. In my FFXI guild we have a monthly RP night and I'm there so I can make sure if there is an IC confrontation between members they follow the rules to prevent it becoming an OOC one. In both instances, one being larger and the other smaller, we had enough volunteers to hanlde things and no disputes have esculated. 2) No God-moding or harassment shall be tolerated during the event. The organizer must have a game plan and guildelines or rules in place to address how such a situation would be handled. 3) If a dispute starts the organizer and the parties involved will discuss the event in a small private group and all must abide by the decision of those in charge of the event. If a person starts a smear campaign OOCly in the community afterward then evidence (ie a screen shot or witnesses) must be given to the site administration of the community site. The person or and their guild leader will be called to discuss the event and if when asked to cease if they do not they won't be allowed to advertise in the community. This could be determined by just the site admin, a community poll or decided by vote of guild leaders. 2) How Will the RPC deal with disputes between guilds. We aren't going to be able to stop a fued but if we just have a simple rule that member guilds aren't allowed to pull the entire RPC into a dispute this will pretty much solve itself. The RPC shouldn't be involved unless its a Cross-guild event related issue. The guilds in the coalitions agree not to air disputes with other guilds on the forum or campaign against any group. If anyone posts a thread like this the asmin will immediately lock it and remeind them of the rules and if they repeatedly continue to try then the admin has the right to take action since they are controller of the board. If they have a problem with each other that disrupts other people in the community ig, like harassing another guild while they are trying to RP, then proof must be sent to the admin. A warning should be privately sent that if they receive evidence its continuing their guild won't be allowed to use the board any longer. 3) Disputes between individuals also shouldn't be drawn into the community. A Guild is responsible for the ations of their members. If a guild joins a coalition they must agree to listen to any complaints from other indviduals not in their guild. Its up to them how they handle it but unless it is allowed to escalate where it interferes with everyone in the community the RPC shouldn't be involved.

If a group is so loose they constantly god-mod etc there will be people posting threads, believe me, so the RPC will have to be involved slightly. On Starsider coalition the moderators had to be on their toes to control things so they wouldn't get out of hand. Groups who were "rougue" often did change theri members behavior since the community ignored them or complained to the guild owner. Several diciplined members because of outside complaints. There will also be freelancers though who won't join a guild but RP with everyone so they should be made welcome too. The way starsider handled cross guild events was that the organizer made the rules for the event and it was understood if you didn't follow then you would be asked to leave in a /tell. It was their right to do what decide how to run the even since it was their event. No one ever argued that it wasn't fair. I don't think people would care if they had to agree to follow the cross-guild rules to join the RPC and were kicked from holding a "RPC sponsered" event for not following them. Sure they still could hold events but they might not get as many when people hear the organizer caused a fight. Also another thing I liked on Starsider was they had a "Citizens' thread and a wiki where you could post information on your character and what you personally will and won't do for RP. EDIT: There will be some who might feel the coalition is "elitest" or "unwelcoming" if everyone doesn't embrace their AU concept cross hybird uber character but the general community will be there to support each other in general.

Niami is TALES made up of folks from the old COA?

Congrats.