Artists in Eorzea?

[Sacha Desyre]

No doubt there certainly is (obviously by the paintings and such you can get for your house), but what I'm interested in is how about would I go with mediums and such? 

 

I had wanted to put a darker twist on it (inspired by a magic the gathering image) but it's also good just to everything anyway.

 

My guess is I would look to medieval (or later) artists and what they used to paint then, but convert it to possible materials people in Eorzea use?

[Jancis]

It's definitely a fun idea to pursue and imagination in the limit with some of it. Parchment, cloth canvas, variety of inks (enchanted and non) are available.

 

Alchemy could play a role in it, and also it can spin off into mini adventures where the artist and some companions or mercenaries have to go and procure rare items. Fighting a giant sea snail for its precious purple pigment... it could be epic-ish.. giant snail.

 

Jancis knew an artist for a brief time and has a map of Eorzea the man painted for her including a depiction of her. It was a sweet moment where he asked her to not move for a minute so he could capture it in his mind's eye. So for a dark twist can even paint something which literally captures something or part of someone. I've seen a couple 'art workshops' set up with small tables and the manor music holder as an easel.

 

An idea to maybe mask magical runes or shapes (like an arcanist) within paintings. 

 

Just throwing out random ideas while not staring at work.

[Gegenji]

Well, there's obviously sculpture and painting, from what we can tell. Most of the paintings seem to be portraits and landscapes, though, and very little in the way of "abstract" art in either medium. To a degree tattoos and facepaints are art - body art - but the number of different types are a bit limited. Music is an art, too, so you have all the various songs and such that our various wandering Bards put out - or whatever's composed on the instruments you can furnish a house with - and there's likely plays and such put on in the amphitheaters (like the one in Gridania), though I don't recall any such troupes offhand in the lore.

 

What sort of medium where you thinking of going with? I'm sure there's some way to get it to work.

[Aya]

Eorzea has a pretty wild mixture of technological development.  I think you can imagine most real world arts being practiced, and no doubt others based upon magic and magitek.  I think you can use your imagination pretty safely

[Sacha Desyre]

Jancis pretty much summed up my ideas of where I wanted to go with Sacha. Blood painting is something I was quite interested for him to do, so it would be fun to hire mercenaries or the like to capture creatures or perhaps aid him in taking him to where certain creatures are. 

 

I'm even playing with the idea, if some people wanted their images done by him, they should be willing to "donate".

 

My guess is for canvas' skins/leather might also be an option? 

 

Good to know there are signs of artists out there other then bards, because I couldn't quite think if I had heard of any.

[Sounsyy]

there's likely plays and such put on in the amphitheaters (like the one in Gridania), though I don't recall any such troupes offhand in the lore.

 

 

There's a Gridanian theater troupe called the Homunculi.

 

 

I saw an opportunity... and I seized it...

 

 

As for the artwork, I'd say look at medieval, renaissance, or victorian era paintings and styles and maybe see what you can incorporate into your own IC art. Oil on canvas seems to be popular. As for dyes, Jancis had a pretty good idea. Some dyes would come from snails or shells, some from plants. There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly? Or y'know... blood.

 

 

EDIT: Sculptures also work if your character would be into that sort of thing? Though most sculptures in game have a religious depiction. The statues of Nald'thal in Thanalan, there's several varying renditions on the appearance of Llymlaen in Limsa. The artwork on the portcullis in Ul'dah are actually religious in nature, twin circles representing the worlds of Nald and Thal, wreathed in sun rays, likely an homage to the Belah'dian days of sun worship.

[Zaheela]

Considering some of the wall furnishings out there, it seems that despite a very medieval feel, the actual styles of art are far more advanced, with psuedo-modern techniques (AKA SE model makers are lazy and used photoshop filters on screenshots *cough cough*). Some of the painting suggests that we at least have Oil paints, as well as the alchemical knowledge of stained glass making and such.

 

Paints and such don't need to use rare extracts really; many paints were derived from plant sources, though there are rare shades not easily found in nature, so you could use our alchemy system as well in RP to cause chemical changes in a hue.

 

As for runes, ICly my character sews minor wards into cloth and has a magical seal for contracts, so hiding one in a picture is far from impossible one would think.

[Gegenji]

There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?

 

I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?

[Sacha Desyre]

Considering some of the wall furnishings out there, it seems that despite a very medieval feel, the actual styles of art are far more advanced, with psuedo-modern techniques (AKA SE model makers are lazy and used photoshop filters on screenshots *cough cough*). Some of the painting suggests that we at least have Oil paints, as well as the alchemical knowledge of stained glass making and such.

 

Paints and such don't need to use rare extracts really; many paints were derived from plant sources, though there are rare shades not easily found in nature, so you could use our alchemy system as well in RP to cause chemical changes in a hue.

I did think the painting style was certainly further along then Medieval, but since fantasytends to be based around then I thought it would be worth looking into that era. So thank you for the other suggestions to look into! 

 

I shall have to study up on alchemy too then as that seems to be a likely way also for Sacha.

[Zaheela]

There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?

 

I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?

 

Kinda? Leather and cloth dyes are different then paints and pigments, as well as the chemical powders used to change the color of the metal. Game wise, it's glossed over, but in real life, they are completely different. I mean, the One old fashioned way to make leather involved pigeon poo.... not a method I'm interested in recreating in game thank you.

[ChewableMorphine]

Just a friendly reminder that only jerks point out minor lore inaccuracies. Let your imagination run wild, there's so much grey space in technological development that you can get away with loads of things. So if somebody says you can't freakin' paint, they're asses and should be addressed as so. Paint, paint to your heart's content!

[Sounsyy]

There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?

 

I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?

 

Kinda? Leather and cloth dyes are different then paints and pigments, as well as the chemical powders used to change the color of the metal. Game wise, it's glossed over, but in real life, they are completely different. I mean, the One old fashioned way to make leather involved pigeon poo.... not a method I'm interested in recreating in game thank you.

 

/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.

IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!

 

Art history is really fascinating.

[Zaheela]

There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?

 

I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?

 

Kinda? Leather and cloth dyes are different then paints and pigments, as well as the chemical powders used to change the color of the metal. Game wise, it's glossed over, but in real life, they are completely different. I mean, the One old fashioned way to make leather involved pigeon poo.... not a method I'm interested in recreating in game thank you.

 

/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.

IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!

 

Art history is really fascinating.

 

....well.... I guess the corrosive properties would add some kind of acid armor effect?

[Gegenji]

/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.

IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!

 

Art history is really fascinating.

 

....well.... I guess the corrosive properties would add some kind of acid armor effect?

 

SOUNSYY's defense greatly rose!

 

Seriously, though. I'm just offering the dyes as a cheap way to explain what paints are available. No muss no fuss. I'd probably use the different types of whetstones for sculpting stone material as well, in fact.

[Sacha Desyre]

Just a friendly reminder that only jerks point out minor lore inaccuracies. Let your imagination run wild, there's so much grey space in technological development that you can get away with loads of things. So if somebody says you can't freakin' paint, they're asses and should be addressed as so. Paint, paint to your heart's content!

 

Well, this is all the motivation I need! lol

[Zaheela]

/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.

IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!

 

Art history is really fascinating.

 

....well.... I guess the corrosive properties would add some kind of acid armor effect?

 

SOUNSYY's defense greatly rose!

 

Seriously, though. I'm just offering the dyes as a cheap way to explain what paints are available. No muss no fuss. I'd probably use the different types of whetstones for sculpting stone material as well, in fact.

 

It could work, especially if you consider the idea that many of the games dyes are made using crystals, which means that they have some magical properties. Though it could also be a reason why there exists only stock colors. Maybe the magic in said dyes has some negative reactions to the magic, so other colors are more expensive to reproduce (thus giving reason for an art supplier RPer to exist?)

[Ciel]

My villain alt, who's a cannibal, moonlights as a taxidermist.  

[Jancis]

/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.

IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!

 

Art history is really fascinating.

 

....well.... I guess the corrosive properties would add some kind of acid armor effect?

 

SOUNSYY's defense greatly rose!

 

At the cost of her charisma. :dazed:

 

Agree, though, don't worry about doing something outside of what is already written. The world is your canvas... or some motivational talk. Paint outside the frame!

 

[thesunalsorises]

Tempera is also feasible, because it's egg yolks or any other binder, pigment and additives. It also has the advantage of drying quicker than oils, and not needing solvents for cleanup. Most common pigments in art are inorganic minerals ground up, though organic and biological pigments were also used. There's also watercolors, which have been in use since medieval times in illuminated manuscripts.

[Ette]

Oh! Oooh! This is relevant to my interest. As a (hobby) artist and someone who almost always plays mages. As humans we’ve been drawing on caves with our fingers since we crawled out of the mud. Art and people go way back and the methods to make it have always been neat. And magic. Well, you can just get nuckin’ futs with magic.

 

The idea of incorporating alchemy is definitely awesome. If you don’t mind me blabbering here are some ideas. I will forebodingly be referring to whoever would be having a spell cast upon them as “the target”.

 

• Paintbrushes with bits of the target’s hair mixed into the bristles.
  
• Canvases with the stretched skin of their most beloved pet(recently or not so recently deceased).
  
• Watercolor paintings imbued with the target’s/target’s truelove’s/target’s closest friend’s tears.
  
• Paintbrushes with wooden handles carved from tree branches yanked out of the sylphlands.
  
• Bits of the target’s clothing painted over so they are inside of the painting.
  
• In fact while we're at it just literally push the target inside of the painting and trap them there. Everyone will marvel at your character's shockingly good knack for realism in their art. So lifelike!
  
• GROUND UP ORGANS AND BONES FOR THAT SPECIAL TEXTURE/SHADE OF VERY DARK RED.
  
• A COW AS WHITE AS MILK, A CAPE AS RED AS BLOOD, THE HAIR AS YELLOW AS CORN, A SLIPPER AS PURE AS GOLD.
  

But seriously, fairytales are an awesome place to look if you want darker magic elements. Even modern ones to a degree. As for materials, there’s a lot that goes into art that isn't paint. Paintbrushes usually incorporate animal hair for their bristles and the wooden handles have to come from somewhere. Back IN THE OLD TIMES it was common to pick one’s magical tools under very specific circumstance which right there is the possibility for an entire plot. Watercolors are also an extremely old kind of paint and I figure the water would have to be just as magic as the paint itself. If the painting will be on display the frame is just as important as what's inside of it and could be decorated with numerous runes/gems/shards for specific magic effect.

[Sacha Desyre]

Oh! Oooh! This is relevant to my interest. As a (hobby) artist and someone who almost always plays mages. As humans we’ve been drawing on caves with our fingers since we crawled out of the mud. Art and people go way back and the methods to make it have always been neat. And magic. Well, you can just get nuckin’ futs with magic.

 

The idea of incorporating alchemy is definitely awesome. If you don’t mind me blabbering here are some ideas. I will forebodingly be referring to whoever would be having a spell cast upon them as “the target”.

 

• Paintbrushes with bits of the target’s hair mixed into the bristles.
  
• Canvases with the stretched skin of their most beloved pet(recently or not so recently deceased).
  
• Watercolor paintings imbued with the target’s/target’s truelove’s/target’s closest friend’s tears.
  
• Paintbrushes with wooden handles carved from tree branches yanked out of the sylphlands.
  
• Bits of the target’s clothing painted over so they are inside of the painting.
  
• In fact while we're at it just literally push the target inside of the painting and trap them there. Everyone will marvel at your character's shockingly good knack for realism in their art. So lifelike!
  
• GROUND UP ORGANS AND BONES FOR THAT SPECIAL TEXTURE/SHADE OF VERY DARK RED.
  
• A COW AS WHITE AS MILK, A CAPE AS RED AS BLOOD, THE HAIR AS YELLOW AS CORN, A SLIPPER AS PURE AS GOLD.
  

But seriously, fairytales are an awesome place to look if you want darker magic elements. Even modern ones to a degree. As for materials, there’s a lot that goes into art that isn't paint. Paintbrushes usually incorporate animal hair for their bristles and the wooden handles have to come from somewhere. Back IN THE OLD TIMES it was common to pick one’s magical tools under very specific circumstance which right there is the possibility for an entire plot. Watercolors are also an extremely old kind of paint and I figure the water would have to be just as magic as the paint itself. If the painting will be on display the frame is just as important as what's inside of it and could be decorated with numerous runes/gems/shards for specific magic effect.

These ideas are definitely relevant to my interests indeed~ Thank you very much!

 

It's also comforting to know that there's not really anything hard lined in the lore that I can get away with things such as these.