Rant: Mages, Cuirass, and Trends

[Kellach Woods]

My pet theory, which I've discussed before with several of the same people whining in this thread, is that the glamour check is limited to equipment you can actually wear and not just a reskin option. If you take multiple-job equipment and glamour AF onto it, then change jobs, the glamour "falls off" for the incorrect job. I think it's just a Can Equip: Y/N flag that gets tripped to disable it.

 

Yep and it wouldn't be the first time NPCs are allowed to do things players can't (or that NPCs are repackaged from a version of the game where this was possible.)

[Aduu Avagnar]

I forget which quests, but there are Sultansworn recruits who also wear heavy armor but wield conjurer wands. I think. Been a long while.

likely the MSQ one I am thinking of when you are killing the people who aquire the Traders Spurn around level 15.

 

My pet theory, which I've discussed before with several of the same people whining in this thread, is that the glamour check is limited to equipment you can actually wear and not just a reskin option. If you take multiple-job equipment and glamour AF onto it, then change jobs, the glamour "falls off" for the incorrect job. I think it's just a Can Equip: Y/N flag that gets tripped to disable it.

 

Yep and it wouldn't be the first time NPCs are allowed to do things players can't (or that NPCs are repackaged from a version of the game where this was possible.)

however, it discredits the reason of 'metal armour inhibits the wielders ability to manipulate aether'

[Aduu Avagnar]

please delete

[Warren Castille]

My pet theory, which I've discussed before with several of the same people whining in this thread, is that the glamour check is limited to equipment you can actually wear and not just a reskin option. If you take multiple-job equipment and glamour AF onto it, then change jobs, the glamour "falls off" for the incorrect job. I think it's just a Can Equip: Y/N flag that gets tripped to disable it.

 

Yep and it wouldn't be the first time NPCs are allowed to do things players can't (or that NPCs are repackaged from a version of the game where this was possible.)

 

It's worth nothing that Lou and Papalymo are both designed from 1.0 when these things were possible. Since then an entirely different design team has taken over. Hell, wasn't it 1.18 or 1.23 that initially introduced actually-class-restricted equipment? Yoshi's design has made it pretty clear where they fall in line regarding what players are allowed to wear.

 

I forget which quests, but there are Sultansworn recruits who also wear heavy armor but wield conjurer wands. I think. Been a long while.

likely the MSQ one I am thinking of when you are killing the people who aquire the Traders Spurn around level 15.

 

Sounds right to me.

[Aduu Avagnar]

I guess ultimately I view it as a matter of 'I choose not to' over 'I Cannot'

 

We have evidence in game of casters wearing at least Maille armour. Which leads to the conclusion that yes, it is possible to do so.

 

However it likely comes down to the manner of construction. Now, this is merely headcannon, but it makes sense to me.

 

The creation of an item is the moulding of the properties of the base material. Metals such as Iron, Cobalt and Mythril are dense, hard, unmoving. Whereas Gold, Silver, Copper, Cloth and the like are malleable, easily changed etc.

 

What if the creation of these objects through synthesis, and the properties they have, is simply an extension of these intrinsic properties? (Aether being malleable etc, therefore an item with that property is better suited to being crafted into garments for that use.)

 

So while a mage /could/ wear the heavier armour, their abilities would suffer for it.

[Warren Castille]

There is also the possibility that, in the case of that fellow in the screenshot, he is absolutely awful at his job. Try main-healing a dungeon past level 30 as a paladin.

[Sounsyy]

There is also the possibility that, in the case of that fellow in the screenshot, he is absolutely awful at his job. Try main-healing a dungeon past level 30 as a paladin.

 

In 1.0 it was possible!

/notbitter.

 

...gods I miss succor.

[Warren Castille]

There is also the possibility that, in the case of that fellow in the screenshot, he is absolutely awful at his job. Try main-healing a dungeon past level 30 as a paladin.

 

In 1.0 it was possible!

/notbitter.

 

...gods I miss succor.

 

Holy Succor being gone is something I rail on from time to time. It was too beautiful for this horrid world.

[Sounsyy]

There is also the possibility that, in the case of that fellow in the screenshot, he is absolutely awful at his job. Try main-healing a dungeon past level 30 as a paladin.

 

In 1.0 it was possible!

/notbitter.

 

...gods I miss succor.

 

Holy Succor being gone is something I rail on from time to time. It was too beautiful for this horrid world.

 

For those who missed out on the glory that was PLD pre-2.0: (seriously I love what the battle team did to for the other classes but PLD was such a huge step backwards)

Holy Succor - Was a self cure about 1.5x the potency of a WHM's Cure I, but it gave you a buff that if any healer cured you while that buff was up, you + any party member in AoE range would get a super potent regen for like 10s. AND, the PLD gained enmity off of that cure+regen effect.

 

Oh then there was Aegis Boon!

Aegis Boon - Defensive buff which 100% guaranteed you'd block the next attack, nullifying the damage completely and actually restoring HP in proportion to the damage that would've been dealt to you. So back when Coincounter used to be really hard, a PLD could eat a 1000 Tonze Swing with Aegis Boon and instead of taking 4k damage (which back in the day was way more than most tanks WAR or PLD had) you'd gain like 900 HP back from it.

 

/sigh Them were the days...

/insert old man saying back in my day gif

[Warren Castille]

There is also the possibility that, in the case of that fellow in the screenshot, he is absolutely awful at his job. Try main-healing a dungeon past level 30 as a paladin.

 

In 1.0 it was possible!

/notbitter.

 

...gods I miss succor.

 

Holy Succor being gone is something I rail on from time to time. It was too beautiful for this horrid world.

 

For those who missed out on the glory that was PLD pre-2.0: (seriously I love what the battle team did to for the other classes but PLD was such a huge step backwards)

Holy Succor - Was a self cure about 1.5x the potency of a WHM's Cure I, but it gave you a buff that if any healer cured you while that buff was up, you + any party member in AoE range would get a super potent regen for like 10s. AND, the PLD gained enmity off of that cure+regen effect.

 

Oh then there was Aegis Boon!

Aegis Boon - Defensive buff which 100% guaranteed you'd block the next attack, nullifying the damage completely and actually restoring HP in proportion to the damage that would've been dealt to you. So back when Coincounter used to be really hard, a PLD could eat a 1000 Tonze Swing with Aegis Boon and instead of taking 4k damage (which back in the day was way more than most tanks WAR or PLD had) you'd gain like 900 HP back from it.

 

/sigh Them were the days...

/insert old man saying back in my day gif

 

This was "balanced" by the fact that paladin AF was god-awful, mostly filled with MND+ and MP+ stats. Because you know, spellcasting.

 

Aegis Boon was a godsend, though. And Holy Succor... /wistful sight

[Berrod Armstrong]

There is also the possibility that, in the case of that fellow in the screenshot, he is absolutely awful at his job. Try main-healing a dungeon past level 30 as a paladin.

 

In 1.0 it was possible!

/notbitter.

 

...gods I miss succor.

 

Holy Succor being gone is something I rail on from time to time. It was too beautiful for this horrid world.

 

For those who missed out on the glory that was PLD pre-2.0: (seriously I love what the battle team did to for the other classes but PLD was such a huge step backwards)

Holy Succor - Was a self cure about 1.5x the potency of a WHM's Cure I, but it gave you a buff that if any healer cured you while that buff was up, you + any party member in AoE range would get a super potent regen for like 10s. AND, the PLD gained enmity off of that cure+regen effect.

 

Oh then there was Aegis Boon!

Aegis Boon - Defensive buff which 100% guaranteed you'd block the next attack, nullifying the damage completely and actually restoring HP in proportion to the damage that would've been dealt to you. So back when Coincounter used to be really hard, a PLD could eat a 1000 Tonze Swing with Aegis Boon and instead of taking 4k damage (which back in the day was way more than most tanks WAR or PLD had) you'd gain like 900 HP back from it.

 

/sigh Them were the days...

/insert old man saying back in my day gif

Aegis Boon sounds good, but wow Holy Succor seems broken as hell for the way the game goes now! It's a very -paladin- ability though.

[Marisa]

True, it's not a cuirass, but I'm just going to drop this here:

 

For those of you wondering, yes, that is a conjury wand.

 

Holy crap, that's just like my Paladin glamour, but on a conjurer! I actually spoke to this guy minutes ago and didn't even notice... PLS SE, I'LL GIVE YOU ALL OF MY MONEY

[Jana]

True, it's not a cuirass, but I'm just going to drop this here:

 

For those of you wondering, yes, that is a conjury wand.

 

Holy crap, that's just like my Paladin glamour, but on a conjurer! I actually spoke to this guy minutes ago and didn't even notice... PLS SE, I'LL GIVE YOU ALL OF MY MONEY

 

The same armor/uniform shows up on bowmen, conjurers, and pugilist Ishgardians in the new trial as well.

[Marisa]

 

 

The same armor/uniform shows up on bowmen, conjurers, and pugilist Ishgardians in the new trial as well.

I was cracking up at the pugilists doing flips and spin-kicks in all that chainmail

[Sounsyy]

Aegis Boon sounds good, but wow Holy Succor seems broken as hell for the way the game goes now! It's a very -paladin- ability though.

 

That's cuz I flubbed and combined two PLD skills into one! Woops. (The payoff to Holy Succor was that it had a rediculously high MP cost at the time, so you could only realistically cast it 4-5x max per fight.) I was looking up said MP cost when I realized I made a woops.

 

Holy Succor = 1.5x potency of WHM Cure I, and if cast on another player you also received 50% HP restoration of whatever you cured for. Crit Heal that DRG who stands in AoEs for 1200, get 600 HP back for yourself. Plus all the juicy enmity that came with.

 

Divine Veil = Grants buff that, if you receive a cure spell, grants all players within range a Medica II-strength regen. And all enmity from cure+regen went to Tank instead of healer.

 

Merp my bad. Still, both spells were super super juicy for PLD.

 

Aegis Boon was a huge favorite of mine.

Rampart also used to be a party wide buff. Granted all party members in range massive DEF increase and generated massive enmity + additional enmity for every party member you hit.

Riot Blade was a ranged attack that lowered a target's DEF (even bosses).

Sentinel greatly decreased the damage you took + doubled your enmity. (since we didn't have shield oath at the time).

Outmaneuver increased your block rate like 2.0's Bulwark but you also restored TP every time you successfully blocked with your shield.

Flash was a targetable AoE not self. You could pick a target, flash it, and it'd affect enemies near it.

War Drum was a self-AoE that when you blocked with your shield you could damage all enemies in a radius and gain enmity off of it.

 

 

TL;DR - PLD used to be super awesome and had tons of utility, until 2.0 made it derp. Yes, I have a million buffs that all do the exact same thing and I just sit here and take damage. No healing, nothing cool, no utility. It's all good. Don't mind me. I'll just sit here.

#okaymaybealittlebitter

 

 

Also, on topic, heavy tank armor with high DEF rating actually used to mean something (kinda) in 1.0 under the "dLvl System" where an enemy's level and attack power were weighed against your level and DEF rating to determine damage floor/ceiling. Straight damage mitigation percents weren't a thing yet. I think the only ability in game that straight mitigated was Sentinel and that ability was OP and it only reduced damage by -20%. (pretty weaksauce now)

 

So if you were a THM in 1.0 wearing heavy armor, you didn't actually suffer too much damage penalty for wearing tank armor (cuz INT was kinda broken) but you'd be about invincible.

 

Now days, DEF doesn't really do much. So tank armor on a BLM would probably be useless and just lower their damage, not actually make them survive better. Which is kinda counter-intuitive for a ranged DPS.

 

But from a lore standpoint, there's no reason a mage couldn't wear armor. It shouldn't lore-wise dampen their ability, just most aren't physically suited for the task. Also...

Heavy armor didn't seem to help Raubahn...

 

[Melkire]

Heavy armor didn't seem to help Raubahn...

 

 

 

This is like saying that coliseum armor is going to protect Zachary Evans.

 

[Berrod Armstrong]

Heavy armor didn't seem to help Raubahn...

 

 

 

 

This is like saying that coliseum armor is going to protect Zachary Evans.

 

 

Having a character that beat him up several times in the name of education, Berrod can confirm.

 

Pushing him off the canyon edge didn't count though. I don't think armor could help anyone with that.

 

Berrod best teacher 2k15

[Sounsyy]

 

 

Shhh, don't worry about Raubahn, he's all right now.

 

 

[Aduu Avagnar]

raubahn for dark knight 2015!

[Ryanti]

 

raubahn for dark knight 2015!

 

 

 

I don't care who you are, you can't buster sword with one arm.

 

With one Magitek arm, however...