The Big Bold Community (aka the BBC)

[Val]

Momo, both Bards and Black Mages can move.  It just tanks both of their DPS.  Yes, even Bards lose when they move because of Wanderer's Minuet, which they generally need to keep up last time I checked.

 

He still should have moved.

 

Is it shit on new player day?

 

If you have made it to level 60, you are no longer a "new player" in my eyes.

 

If you haven't figured out your buttons, or how not to stand in fire by then, there are problems that, quite honestly, I don't pay $16.99 a month to solve for you.

 

Pretty much this. I don't mind helping people, but if people aren't willing to help themselves at that point then I really don't care to be around them, especially considering this game holds your hand from 1-50 and has other systems in place meant to teach you absolutely everything about it.

[LiadansWhisper]

Pretty much this. I don't mind helping people, but if people aren't willing to help themselves at that point then I really don't care to be around them, especially considering this game holds your hand from 1-50 and has other systems in place meant to teach you absolutely everything about it.

 

Yes. It's one thing if you're in one of those weird dungeons from 1-60 that is way harder than the regular dungeons are (Stone Vigil, Aurum Vale, and Dusk Vigil (due to the massive increase in damage not accompanied by a massive increase in mitigation/gear/healing) come to mind), then I understand. I'm always willing to help in those, because those dungeons are just really weird when compared to the other dungeons, much harder and ask far more of groups than other regular "leveling" dungeons do.

 

But when we've spent an hour in the Aery, half of which has been spent on Nidhogg because, despite me explaining multiple times what you need to do in each phase, when each thing happens, and despite my calling it out in chat every time, you still can't figure out how not to get blown up by the aoe things, I mean...I can't carry you. I really, really can't.

[Val]

 

But when we've spent an hour in the Aery, half of which has been spent on Nidhogg 

 

I am suddenly reminded of the time that Faye and I ran not Aery, but the dungeon before that. I was tanking, she was healing, and we had this absolutely shit NIN that kept attacking the last boss during the transition you're supposed to take his wings out. 

 

We wiped three, maybe four times on it. Yes, we tried to explain to them that you have to swap to take out the wings. It didn't help. We even refused to move until they agreed and they still just attacked the boss. At this point I want to believe it was just a troll, but nah. The whole dungeon they were awful.

 

I don't know how anyone expects anyone to help those kind of people

[LiadansWhisper]

 

But when we've spent an hour in the Aery, half of which has been spent on Nidhogg 

 

I am suddenly reminded of the time that Faye and I ran not Aery, but the dungeon before that. I was tanking, she was healing, and we had this absolutely shit NIN that kept attacking the last boss during the transition you're supposed to take his wings out. 

 

We wiped three, maybe four times on it. Yes, we tried to explain to them that you have to swap to take out the wings. It didn't help. We even refused to move until they agreed and they still just attacked the boss. At this point I want to believe it was just a troll, but nah. The whole dungeon they were awful.

 

I don't know how anyone expects anyone to help those kind of people

 

You know, lmao, it was that dungeon not the Aery. I just remembered, "HEY WE KILLED A REALLY ANNOYING DRAGON." It was a Bard and he just...he kept running into the AoEs. We wiped over and over and over again. I kept trying to be helpful and encouraging but the Bard finally just dropped. We got a...I think it was a Ninja or a Dragoon, and one-shot the boss next pull.

[Val]

 

But when we've spent an hour in the Aery, half of which has been spent on Nidhogg 

 

I am suddenly reminded of the time that Faye and I ran not Aery, but the dungeon before that. I was tanking, she was healing, and we had this absolutely shit NIN that kept attacking the last boss during the transition you're supposed to take his wings out. 

 

We wiped three, maybe four times on it. Yes, we tried to explain to them that you have to swap to take out the wings. It didn't help. We even refused to move until they agreed and they still just attacked the boss. At this point I want to believe it was just a troll, but nah. The whole dungeon they were awful.

 

I don't know how anyone expects anyone to help those kind of people

 

You know, lmao, it was that dungeon not the Aery.  I just remembered, "HEY WE KILLED A REALLY ANNOYING DRAGON."  It was a Bard and he just...he kept running into the AoEs.  We wiped over and over and over again.  I kept trying to be helpful and encouraging but the Bard finally just dropped.  We got a...I think it was a Ninja or a Dragoon, and one-shot the boss next pull.

 

Haha we did the exact same. Finally just booted them, got another player, and oneshot the boss. In games when one person can make or break something, you really can only hold their hand so much before they, too, need to put forth some effort to get stuff done.

[V'aleera]

It can be frustrating dealing with new players that seem utterly incapable of doing anything even after explicit instructions. Fortunately those players are fairly rare.

 

What is far less rare is a considerably more vile breed of player: the veteran that has zero patience for even the most basic instruction being given to newbies, while being all too happy to take their share of the new player bonus.

[LiadansWhisper]

It can be frustrating dealing with new players that seem utterly incapable of doing anything even after explicit instructions. Fortunately those players are fairly rare.

 

What is far less rare is a considerably more vile breed of player: the veteran that has zero patience for even the most basic instruction being given to newbies, while being all too happy to take their share of the new player bonus.

 

Literally haven't done a dungeon in a month (#dirtycasual), so I can't speak to how it is currently, but prior to Christmas, the number of helpful, nice people I ran into far outweighed those with shitty attitudes in terms of numbers. The vast majority of people seem pretty helpful.

 

Personally I have no problem allowing people with a poor attitude to die. I've done it before. It's not as easy in FFXIV to kill someone, but it's totes possible as a healer.

 

And if it's a Group Effort to be a total dick, I just leave. No need to subject myself to that crap.

[Kellach Woods]

I've never been a fan of letting someone die.

 

If only because I relish the challenge of derailing their plans. Mwahahaha.

[LiadansWhisper]

I've never been a fan of letting someone die.

 

If only because I relish the challenge of derailing their plans. Mwahahaha.

 

It's a healer thing.

[Kellach Woods]

Even when I heal. At the same time, if I can save the derps I can safely consider that I can heal for peeps that actually care about the game.

[LiadansWhisper]

Even when I heal. At the same time, if I can save the derps I can safely consider that I can heal for peeps that actually care about the game.

 

I'd direct you to the hundreds of threads about the subject on the WoW healing forums, but I'll just put it to you this way - after 7 years of saving people's asses on a regular basis, you start to lose patience with people deliberately being assholes.

 

And since healing is the one thing the healer actively controls, it's also the one thing the healer can use to effect change.

 

But I also consistently main healers, and do not enjoy DPS or tanking roles. I would imagine that someone who is not exclusively devoted to healing would likely feel differently.

[Warren Castille]

That's sort of what I was trying to indicate previously: There are people out there willing to explain phases and be helpful and do their job, and these people will be constantly and endlessly buffeted by people either unwilling or unable to heed that advice. After an indeterminate length of time, the helpfulness will erode and you'll be left with the jaded veterans who just don't bother, because it didn't help or contribute in the past.

 

I'm currently in the "Don't stand in shit, kill adds" explanation of things, which is really the only way to explain most of the stuff in trial roulette right now. I'll add "Don't melee after Seething Eye for 4 seconds" and "Don't move when the grounds frosts over in phase 2" but that's basically the only extra required explanation. Too much time wasted going into detail only to be met with wipes and the zero commendations thing. It's easy to see why people give up.

 

Patience is not infinite, but ignorance is.