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FreelanceWizard

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I'm not aware of any lore that speaks to this either way. For what it's worth, miqo'te generally (well, by lore, at least; ignore the NPCs :) ) tend to be relatively reserved and live fairly isolated lives. We also know that, due to their normal schedules, the two clans largely don't interact.

 

Based on what little we know, I would suggest that most miqo'te have no especially strong feelings towards the other clan unless there's something else going on (nationalism, religious fanaticism, etc.). I would suspect there's some stereotypes -- Keepers think Seekers are too impulsive and chauvinistic, Seekers think Keepers are too reserved and their men are weak -- but no feelings strong enough to constitute a serious dislike.

I do believe there was an NPC in 1.0 that was assumed to be a mixture of the two clans (F'lhaminn), so yeah. I'd have to assume they get along.

 

On the topic of F'lhaminn, check out this dev post.

 

It seems the loremasters are okay with a couple of different interpretations. But what's relevant to this thread is that they say that she could have had a Keeper parent or grandparent, confirming that the clans at least get along well enough to possibly occasionally cross-breed.

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Savarah

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Well if you ask ME, I feel the Seeker culture is quite primitive. Ten or more females to one 'alpha' male? Please. -flicks Keeper ears-

 

(No, but really, with the exception of those who project a certain dislike because of their individual personalities, there's not really any clan hostility. Let's all just get along! :moogle: )

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C'io Behkt

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Well if you ask ME, I feel the Seeker culture is quite primitive. Ten or more females to one 'alpha' male? Please. -flicks Keeper ears-

 

Heh, 'alpha' is a misnomer. You notice how we make the men fight to prove they're good enough? Seeker women don't have to prove a thing. We're the real alphas here! 8-)

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Rinh Hallani

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Heh, 'alpha' is a misnomer. You notice how we make the men fight to prove they're good enough? Seeker women don't have to prove a thing. We're the real alphas here! 8-)

 

Yeah, I always assumed it was more the women saying "prove your worth to us" rather than the men saying "I own you all".

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Khaze'to Zhwan

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I am aware that Seekers are diurnal and Keepers are nocturnal, so they likely don't interact much.

 

Do the clans generally get a long? This detail is pertinent to the crafting of my character's history.

I'd just like to jump in again and say that I'm pretty sure that any Keeper that has major dealings with the other races/clans is likely going to be at least a little less nocturnal than his/her brethren.  Think traders/city folk and PC's.  This of course would be a question of training themselves to the point of being able to work in the sun.  They might even need some form of eye protection nearer the start of this change in waking hours.  Maybe some of them are only crepuscular instead instead of fully nocturnal.

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C'io Behkt

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So just to be sure I've got this right, Keepers are the more Matriarchal society. While Seekers are the ones with the Nuah(sp?) and Tia traditions.

 

This is correct! Nunh/Tia tradition belongs with the Seekers, who track lineage through paternal lines. Keepers of the Moon track lineage through maternal lines. Other than that quirk, both clans seem matriarchal in nature (with males as previously too shy/cloistered/rare/protected/endangered to be allowed out into the world).

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Therese Villefort

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Also, there are naturally less males born than females. Thats most probably why they are matriarchal.

 

This is especially said in the Keeper article. I'm not sure about the seekers, i have the feeling it's the same there, but i can't remember a real proof for them right now. It's only said that the nuunhs are very unlikely to actually have leadership. That could be either because they are males or because they are "breeders". But it's not actually said  in the tiny lore we have right now if seekers are only matriarchal led too.

 

As far as i know.

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allgivenover

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It's true that the Rakka bro's have no issue with Seeker girls, even if it came out that Seekers and Keepers have a historical rivalry I still wouldn't change it, those two have been living in the cities for nearly five years now.

 

Also, I RP Rakka'li as much more enjoying the night time rather than the day time, he also prefers to cover up when it's bright out, but he still functions during the day, though I imagine that he prefers not to wake up until midday at the earliest.

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Savarah

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Well if you ask ME, I feel the Seeker culture is quite primitive. Ten or more females to one 'alpha' male? Please. -flicks Keeper ears-

 

Heh, 'alpha' is a misnomer. You notice how we make the men fight to prove they're good enough? Seeker women don't have to prove a thing. We're the real alphas here! 8-)

 

Well when you put it that way, it almost makes me want to swap sides. I picture a bunch of Seeker females sitting in a small coliseum-like structure, sipping drinks and watching men fight.

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Aysun

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I haven't personally observed any implied or direct racism between the two clans in game. They don't interact much, due to cultural and locational differences (diurnal/nocturnal; Limsa Lominsa & Sagolii Desert/Black Shroud & Gridania), but obviously we as adventurers will see each other a lot more.

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Therese Villefort

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Yeah, exactly. Also i guess Keeper adventurers will at least to some extend adjust to daytime living, just because of merchants or other "normal" townsfolk. 

 

What else comes to my mind: It is said people are rather tolerant in Eorzea, also there is no known rivalry betwen the two clans. But it is said that Seeker/Keeper parents who got a child got banned/exiled from their tribes... that on the other hanbd doesnt speak of great tolerance...

I can't find the source again, but i clearly remember reading that somewhere.

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Merri

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There is a stigma against Moonkeepers as a whole, though. A large number of Moonkeepers settled in the shroud, and turned to "poaching" to survive. Some see it as a means of survival, others as a way of life, but given the nature of the twelveswood and the elementals it's an absolute no-go in the eyes of Gridania.

 

Poaching is strictly forbidden, and a large number of Moonkeepers have established the stigma of them being related to poaching in the shroud.

 

So there is some animosity floating from that, and certain characters might feed into that stereotype and run with it, but naturally not everyone will.

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DSCH

DSCH

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I thought of a few more question that is somewhat related to this topic.

 

How close to lore should I stay with my character history? Would it be unreasonable to have self-contained family unit of Seekers rather than a situation with one male and several females?

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Aysun

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I thought of a few more question that is somewhat related to this topic.

 

How close to lore should I stay with my character history? Would it be unreasonable to have self-contained family unit of Seekers rather than a situation with one male and several females?

 

There are plenty of non-tribal Seekers in lore. They often live in Limsa Lominsa.

 

And yea, there is an overall stigma against Keepers, mostly held by Gridanians, however.

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