*sighs at Queues as DPS*

[Fystrael Abylstyrwyn]

What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

 

Fortunately, the guide didn't give up on me and we got through the other fights really well.  If a hissy fit had ensued, I'd probably walk though.  I dealt with enough of those in Rift when my ex-guild moaned about my DPS meter as a bard.  :\

 

TL;DR: I know I'm a sucky newb, but don't forget when you needed guidance either

[FreelanceWizard]

What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

 

It sounds like you got a not-so-good group. In that fight, you actually do want to unleash AoEs to burn the mobs down fast, so Overpower's a good choice (Blizzard II is also great, if you've got a THM). The healer, whether ACN or CNJ, should be able to keep up with the damage, since the mobs actually don't hit that hard.

 

In general, as the tank, you want everything on you unless doing so would risk threat on the boss or expose other players to AoEs (or is infeasible or impossible due to the fight mechanics -- say, with the fire mote bosses in Halatali). Have you played the guildhest with Bockman yet? That's good training on when to pick up adds versus let the DPS deal with them.

[Magellan]

I hate it when people rail against 'bad pugs'. We all started somewhere, and if we would just take a moment to share the information we know, instead of developing snarky, condescending attitudes, our world would be full of much stronger players.

 

This type of combat was new to me. I'm used to action mmo's (yes, I'm one of few who have never played WoW). If someone hadn't have taken the time to show me how to actually play my archer, I would have remained frustrated, and may have sought out another game. Now, I'm having a blast.

 

What seems like common sense to one, isn't for another. Don't be a D, and tuck your epeen away and actually help people out for a change.

 

(Not directed at anyone here )

[Katanyae]

If anyone is having any issues with long queues, I am more than willing to offer my healing services to help. The longest I have waited is like 2 minutes, both by myself and with a DPS friend in tow

 

I am only up to Ifrit / Copperbell so far, however.

 

So! Write me down, friend me, whatever you want and say goodbye to those long dumb queues.

[Fystrael Abylstyrwyn]

It sounds like you got a not-so-good group. In that fight, you actually do want to unleash AoEs to burn the mobs down fast, so Overpower's a good choice (Blizzard II is also great, if you've got a THM). The healer, whether ACN or CNJ, should be able to keep up with the damage, since the mobs actually don't hit that hard.

 

That's makes me feel both better (I'm not a stoopid tank!) and worse (OMG how can I not recognize bad healing?).

 

In general, as the tank, you want everything on you unless doing so would risk threat on the boss or expose other players to AoEs (or is infeasible or impossible due to the fight mechanics -- say, with the fire mote bosses in Halatali). Have you played the guildhest with Bockman yet? That's good training on when to pick up adds versus let the DPS deal with them.

 

I did do that, but I'll do it again.  I need to work on positioning before Ifrit anyhow.

[FreelanceWizard]

I hate it when people rail against 'bad pugs'. We all started somewhere, and if we would just take a moment to share the information we know, instead of developing snarky, condescending attitudes, our world would be full of much stronger players.

 

Agreed! I always try to walk DF groups through the mechanics and offer help on how to approach tough fights. If I'm new to the dungeon, I always ask for help and take advice if I do something wrong. We're all newbies at something.

[LiadansWhisper]

What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

 

Fortunately, the guide didn't give up on me and we got through the other fights really well.  If a hissy fit had ensued, I'd probably walk though.  I dealt with enough of those in Rift when my ex-guild moaned about my DPS meter as a bard.  :\

 

TL;DR: I know I'm a sucky newb, but don't forget when you needed guidance either

 

I'm really not sure that you did anything wrong here.  A healer having adds on them is bad, and they need to be picked up (unless it's something like a fixate, and even then, the adds still need to die ASAP).  Did you just not get out of the AoE?  Because yeah, that'll one shot you.

 

If you need a healer, poke me.  As long as I'm not being dragged by my ear through something, I'm generally happy to help new tanks.

[Oroban]

What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

 

Fortunately, the guide didn't give up on me and we got through the other fights really well.  If a hissy fit had ensued, I'd probably walk though.  I dealt with enough of those in Rift when my ex-guild moaned about my DPS meter as a bard.  :\

 

TL;DR: I know I'm a sucky newb, but don't forget when you needed guidance either

I had the exact same problem at that fight, but being a gladiator I slapped on rampart, fleet of foot, and keen flurry (yay cross-classing!) while spamming blind-flash, and thankfully my DPS ground them down before they could chew me up too bad. My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

[bamcart4]

I had the exact same problem at that fight, but being a gladiator I slapped on rampart, fleet of foot, and keen flurry (yay cross-classing!) while spamming blind-flash, and thankfully my DPS ground them down before they could chew me up too bad. My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

 

That was my first dirt nap in any dungeon encounter. I didn't realize the charge till too late and was in middle of global so I couldn't stun. Knocked everyone but the healer out of the fight lol.

 

He proceeded to run for the exit.

[Fystrael Abylstyrwyn]

My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

 

See, I did that fight fine.  It was the one before that that I ended up dead.  I usually don't dirt-nap so early unless DPS pulls too early or healer is positioned badly.

[Swift Nightclaw]

Back in MY day, we had to form friendships and contacts in these here worlds to go out and adventure t'gether. Weren't none of this here, random stranger group slapped together an' never see none of 'em again!  AND WE WERE GRATEFUL FER IT!!!

 

8-)

 

Whenever I start to get discouraged by a queue, I just think back to "Warrior LFG" forever and ever in FF XI and spending 1.5 hours looking for group for every 30-60 minutes actually playing.

[Oroban]

My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

 

See, I did that fight fine.  It was the one before that that I ended up dead.  I usually don't dirt-nap so early unless DPS pulls too early or healer is positioned badly.

That was actually my only down while tanking so far (Maybe...10 dungeons so far?), and it was only me, since it was the last enemy alive and it only dropped me. I got a raise, we went on to fight the ooze, life was good. I just wasn't expecting a random mook's AoE to be an instant death technique. That'll teach me, I guess!

[Tabrett]

Lately, I've been getting a little discouraged as a tank. I love the class and I love to help people, but I think there comes a time when everyone needs to step back from abuse or frustration and take a break. That's why my fisher is at level 32 right now. Heh. Anyway, what I wanted to say was: I know I'm not the best tank ever, but I can learn. Most people want to be good at their class/job; to be valued. Be kind to your tanks, advise them when you can. Most will listen. 

 

And if they don't, you can poke me to help you. I'm probably just fishing.  Level 37 and climbing.

[Oroban]

Lately, I've been getting a little discouraged as a tank. I love the class and I love to help people, but I think there comes a time when everyone needs to step back from abuse or frustration and take a break. That's why my fisher is at level 32 right now. Heh. Anyway, what I wanted to say was: I know I'm not the best tank ever, but I can learn. Most people want to be good at their class/job; to be valued. Be kind to your tanks, advise them when you can. Most will listen. 

 

And if they don't, you can poke me to help you. I'm probably just fishing.  Level 37 and climbing.

I know what you mean, I've only been a tank for a few days and it's burning me out already. Run a copperbell party, tell the new people about the bosses, and an archer (of course it's an archer.) at the last boss decides; "Ignoring the adds and focusing on the boss the entire fight is the better plan, you must be new or something." We proceed to barely win the fight, with about 6-7 extra giants in the room with us at that point, mind you. His comment then? "That fight took too long, you guys should do more damage."

[LiadansWhisper]

Dunno what your times are, Kerr and Oroban, but I'd be happy to help you out tonight after my WoW raid.

 

Tanking gets a lot better at the higher levels.

[Oroban]

Dunno what your times are, Kerr and Oroban, but I'd be happy to help you out tonight after my WoW raid.

 

Tanking gets a lot better at the higher levels.

I'll be around pretty much til...5am or so, haha. Once you're around I might try my hand at Halitali, since I'm getting tired of Copperbell and lower...time to move on up!

[Tabrett]

Dunno what your times are, Kerr and Oroban, but I'd be happy to help you out tonight after my WoW raid.

 

Tanking gets a lot better at the higher levels.

 

The weekends for me. I'll be around all day this Friday and Saturday. Getting Defiance at level 30 has been a huge help. The mob I'm hitting never looks away from me, so it's only the occasional heal aggro from adds that's a problem for me. The real issue is other players, mos of the time. I had a sunken temple run recently (my first time) where the DDs were so horrible to me that I almost seriously put down my axe for good. When they rage quit when we couldn't make it past the first boss, I was honestly grateful. And a few hours of fishing and plg leveling later, I was back to grinding fates. Is the level 41 dungeon any more forgiving?

[LeCard]

Lately, I've been getting a little discouraged as a tank. I love the class and I love to help people, but I think there comes a time when everyone needs to step back from abuse or frustration and take a break. That's why my fisher is at level 32 right now. Heh. Anyway, what I wanted to say was: I know I'm not the best tank ever, but I can learn. Most people want to be good at their class/job; to be valued. Be kind to your tanks, advise them when you can. Most will listen. 

 

And if they don't, you can poke me to help you. I'm probably just fishing.  Level 37 and climbing.

I know what you mean, I've only been a tank for a few days and it's burning me out already. Run a copperbell party, tell the new people about the bosses, and an archer (of course it's an archer.) at the last boss decides; "Ignoring the adds and focusing on the boss the entire fight is the better plan, you must be new or something." We proceed to barely win the fight, with about 6-7 extra giants in the room with us at that point, mind you. His comment then? "That fight took too long, you guys should do more damage."

since i'm seeing this fight being discussed I thought I'd bring up an interesting strategy a group of mine used. Pull the boss to where the second set of adds come in. Let the tank pull everythings hate and DPS spams AoE (works best if you have THM). The adds drop like flys and your still focussing dmg on the boss. also, as an added bonus, when the limit break is ready everyone is in one spot, meteor it up and watch things drop.

[Oroban]

Lately, I've been getting a little discouraged as a tank. I love the class and I love to help people, but I think there comes a time when everyone needs to step back from abuse or frustration and take a break. That's why my fisher is at level 32 right now. Heh. Anyway, what I wanted to say was: I know I'm not the best tank ever, but I can learn. Most people want to be good at their class/job; to be valued. Be kind to your tanks, advise them when you can. Most will listen. 

 

And if they don't, you can poke me to help you. I'm probably just fishing.  Level 37 and climbing.

I know what you mean, I've only been a tank for a few days and it's burning me out already. Run a copperbell party, tell the new people about the bosses, and an archer (of course it's an archer.) at the last boss decides; "Ignoring the adds and focusing on the boss the entire fight is the better plan, you must be new or something." We proceed to barely win the fight, with about 6-7 extra giants in the room with us at that point, mind you. His comment then? "That fight took too long, you guys should do more damage."

since i'm seeing this fight being discussed I thought I'd bring up an interesting strategy a group of mine used. Pull the boss to where the second set of adds come in. Let the tank pull everythings hate and DPS spams AoE (works best if you have THM). The adds drop like flys and your still focussing dmg on the boss. also, as an added bonus, when the limit break is ready everyone is in one spot, meteor it up and watch things drop.

Yep, that's what I'd been doing is dragging him to the second boulder to let the DPS AoE. But tonight I moved onto Halatali, and the joy of teammates who refuse to kill the fire wisps and thus get us all incinerated. Joy! :lol:

[LeCard]

Yep, that's what I'd been doing is dragging him to the second boulder to let the DPS AoE. But tonight I moved onto Halatali, and the joy of teammates who refuse to kill the fire wisps and thus get us all incinerated. Joy! :lol:

hehe, I did that tonight on my alt(MRD) why do the DPS insist on charging ahead to their doom? I try to set things up with markers for a nice clear order of when things die, and some DPS jumps the gun and gets all the mobs locked on them... This isn't XI where the archer pulls and then the tank steals the hate easily. nope in XIV who ever hits it first is GOING to take damage, and a decent amount too. I end up spamming my AoE just to get things attention, and that's not cheep on the TP cost.

 

I've had a couple good parties that let me do my job and tank, but those are too far and few between. It is quite draining to have to tell the party what to do the entire way because no one knows how to not attack the mob that is happily wailing on me, but is marked number 3 and we are still killing number 1... I feel so sorry for tanks after playing my first few trips of halatali and toto-rak as a tank.(is it really worth the instant que times?)

[Oroban]

Yep, that's what I'd been doing is dragging him to the second boulder to let the DPS AoE. But tonight I moved onto Halatali, and the joy of teammates who refuse to kill the fire wisps and thus get us all incinerated. Joy! :lol:

hehe, I did that tonight on my alt(MRD) why do the DPS insist on charging ahead to their doom? I try to set things up with markers for a nice clear order of when things die, and some DPS jumps the gun and gets all the mobs locked on them... This isn't XI where the archer pulls and then the tank steals the hate easily. nope in XIV who ever hits it first is GOING to take damage, and a decent amount too. I end up spamming my AoE just to get things attention, and that's not cheep on the TP cost.

 

I've had a couple good parties that let me do my job and tank, but those are too far and few between. It is quite draining to have to tell the party what to do the entire way because no one knows how to not attack the mob that is happily wailing on me, but is marked number 3 and we are still killing number 1... I feel so sorry for tanks after playing my first few trips of halatali and toto-rak as a tank.(is it really worth the instant que times?)

We did fine up until the last boss of it, where the arcanist and thaumaturge completely ignored the dalaalalalala whatever and the noxious, whereupon the small explosions added up and killed the Thaum. Not to mention the bigheaded healer who thought he should run around in front, open chests in the middle of fights, and constantly cast aero on every enemy no matter what. It's like running a preschool class.

[LeCard]

It's like running a preschool class.

^ that

[LiadansWhisper]

If you focus those adds down and then turn immediately back to the boss, you have plenty of time to kill adds and get the boss down.  I've done it on a number of occasions.  Bad DPS are bad.

[Oroban]

If you focus those adds down and then turn immediately back to the boss, you have plenty of time to kill adds and get the boss down.  I've done it on a number of occasions.  Bad DPS are bad.

Yeah, when I played it as DPS, I had no problem running around and killing them on my pugilist. The two DPS I had literally didn't care, even though I made sure to stop them outside the room and explain the stages. The best part was the jerky healer kept screaming at them and I just...phoned it in at that point.

[Trigonxv]

wow reading all this despite queue times makes me feel like a godly dps since I always go after adds in every boss fight and follow my marks accordingly and if no marks I usually attack the monster the tank is not attacking