Nobility in RP

[Azureus Scipio]

(Not sure if this is the correct forum to ask, but meh)

 

Does any nobility, or wealthy family, lords/ladies Rp ever go on, I know in coerthas they have the "Houses" which is in lore, but what about in RP?

 

If not, why? Is it possible to work with it, while still being Lore-friendly, if so, does anyone wanna help me arrange some noble houses of our own in some quiet corner of Eorzea, (Perhaps different houses/families of different races). That would bring some Politics to Rp  since you would marry of your eldest daughter to the heir of another noble house, or you would forbid your Miqo'te daughter from fraternizing and seeing that darn son of those Rogedyns.

 

I think it would bring people together and make more realistic RP.

 I would try and arrange it all myself, but i'm bad at trying to fit things within the boundaries of lore.

 

 

What do you lot think?:?

[LandStander]

Pokey, poke, poke. Are you on Balmung ?

 

Yeah, I was also unsure of how to approach this. I made an alt and she is basically a lady in her late forties who came from a rich merchant family, but they have fallen from grace. I didn't want to play an actual noble character because I am unsure how they are handled. I am pretty sure I heard some mentions of them, something, something, about the Sultana in Ul'dah. I could be completely off though.

[Azureus Scipio]

Pokey, poke, poke. Are you on Balmung ?

 

Yeah, I was also unsure of how to approach this. I made an alt and she is basically a lady in her late forties who came from a rich merchant family, but they have fallen from grace. I didn't want to play an actual noble character because I am unsure how they are handled. I am pretty sure I heard some mentions of them, something, something, about the Sultana in Ul'dah. I could be completely off though.

 

 

yes, I am on Balmung, and if more people were interested we could sort something out.  and if you want a good Idea on how they act, watch downton abbey :3

[LandStander]

Oh, hahaha. I mean I didn't know how they were handled in game. I know Seohyun was playing a noble. I may have to hunt her down in game and ask her questions as I don't think she visits the forums very often.

 

Edit: Speaking of Seohyun. I was able to scour this up. http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/printthread.php?tid=2368&page=2

[Azureus Scipio]

Oh, hahaha. I mean I didn't know how they were handled in game. I know Seohyun was playing a noble. I may have to hunt her down in game and ask her questions as I don't think she visits the forums very often.

 

Edit: Speaking of Seohyun. I was able to scour this up. http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/printthread.php?tid=2368&page=2

 

 

Thats quite intresting, gotta look more into it. I'm just glad there are other people who RP as rich and prospective, noble ect,

 

Just gotta find the right People I guess

[Faye]

On Balmung as well! My character is nobility; she's a "Lady" from a wealthy, high society family, and it would be fun to get to RP that aspect in something other than her scoffing at other people's bad manners. It'd definitely be cool to work something out and I suppose get some "lore" of our own set up! 

 

I think it's easy to work with, but you have to take race and location into account in terms of believability and staying true to what lore the game has already established. I.E. While some Miqo'te bloodlines may be more respected than others, the idea of a tribal society like the Seekers of the Sun, at least, having "noble" families seems rather strange.

[Azureus Scipio]

On Balmung as well! My character is nobility; she's a "Lady" from a wealthy, high society family, and it would be fun to get to RP that aspect in something other than her scoffing at other people's bad manners. It'd definitely be cool to work something out and I suppose get some "lore" of our own set up! 

 

I think it's easy to work with, but you have to take race and location into account in terms of believability and staying true to what lore the game has already established. I.E. While some Miqo'te bloodlines may be more respected than others, the idea of a tribal society like the Seekers of the Sun, at least, having "noble" families seems rather strange.

 

 

The actually character I would have role playing as nobility, is actually Hyur , I only rp miqo'te with my sister, then we're twins who are part time hunters and sellswords.

But we should work something out together

[Faye]

On Balmung as well! My character is nobility; she's a "Lady" from a wealthy, high society family, and it would be fun to get to RP that aspect in something other than her scoffing at other people's bad manners. It'd definitely be cool to work something out and I suppose get some "lore" of our own set up! 

 

I think it's easy to work with, but you have to take race and location into account in terms of believability and staying true to what lore the game has already established. I.E. While some Miqo'te bloodlines may be more respected than others, the idea of a tribal society like the Seekers of the Sun, at least, having "noble" families seems rather strange.

 

 

The actually character I would have role playing as nobility, is actually Hyur , I only rp miqo'te with my sister, then we're twins who are part time hunters and sellswords.

But we should work something out together

 

My character is a Hyur as well, Midlander

[Azureus Scipio]

On Balmung as well! My character is nobility; she's a "Lady" from a wealthy, high society family, and it would be fun to get to RP that aspect in something other than her scoffing at other people's bad manners. It'd definitely be cool to work something out and I suppose get some "lore" of our own set up! 

 

I think it's easy to work with, but you have to take race and location into account in terms of believability and staying true to what lore the game has already established. I.E. While some Miqo'te bloodlines may be more respected than others, the idea of a tribal society like the Seekers of the Sun, at least, having "noble" families seems rather strange.

 

 

The actually character I would have role playing as nobility, is actually Hyur , I only rp miqo'te with my sister, then we're twins who are part time hunters and sellswords.

But we should work something out together

 

My character is a Hyur as well, Midlander

 

 

So is my Hyur

this is too awesome, so what should we have them as? Siblings, friends, cousin,

[Faye]

On Balmung as well! My character is nobility; she's a "Lady" from a wealthy, high society family, and it would be fun to get to RP that aspect in something other than her scoffing at other people's bad manners. It'd definitely be cool to work something out and I suppose get some "lore" of our own set up! 

 

I think it's easy to work with, but you have to take race and location into account in terms of believability and staying true to what lore the game has already established. I.E. While some Miqo'te bloodlines may be more respected than others, the idea of a tribal society like the Seekers of the Sun, at least, having "noble" families seems rather strange.

 

 

The actually character I would have role playing as nobility, is actually Hyur , I only rp miqo'te with my sister, then we're twins who are part time hunters and sellswords.

But we should work something out together

 

My character is a Hyur as well, Midlander

 

 

So is my Hyur

this is too awesome, so what should we have them as? Siblings, friends, cousin,

 

Friends/acquaintances, or distant relatives could work  As per Faye's backstory, any of her close family is dead.

[Azureus Scipio]

On Balmung as well! My character is nobility; she's a "Lady" from a wealthy, high society family, and it would be fun to get to RP that aspect in something other than her scoffing at other people's bad manners. It'd definitely be cool to work something out and I suppose get some "lore" of our own set up! 

 

I think it's easy to work with, but you have to take race and location into account in terms of believability and staying true to what lore the game has already established. I.E. While some Miqo'te bloodlines may be more respected than others, the idea of a tribal society like the Seekers of the Sun, at least, having "noble" families seems rather strange.

 

 

The actually character I would have role playing as nobility, is actually Hyur , I only rp miqo'te with my sister, then we're twins who are part time hunters and sellswords.

But we should work something out together

 

My character is a Hyur as well, Midlander

 

 

So is my Hyur

this is too awesome, so what should we have them as? Siblings, friends, cousin,

 

Friends/acquaintances, or distant relatives could work  As per Faye's backstory, any of her close family is dead.

 

Friends/acquaintances it is it is then

 

How old is your character IC, Mine is 17. He's the youngest of seven and the only son, and he likes to dress up as a common worker and go wander around outside his families home.

 

Gotta work on a proper backstory, he is a relatively new character.

[Rosekitten]

I know a few people from my FC are noble's or brought into the families. One was adopted into one of the four houses in coerthas, another is a sultan born. I don't play noble myself though as far as my character goes he has a bit of a history. Family wise his folk worked for one of the four houses up in coerthas and later he was a assistant carpenter as he worked for a wealthy merchant family in the Ul'dah region. 

 

I could track down both the house member and the merchant's daughter if you wanted to try and connect this idea of yours more ^^ I can't offer much as far as a family name or status as my characters a commoner to say the least

[Faye]

 

 

The actually character I would have role playing as nobility, is actually Hyur , I only rp miqo'te with my sister, then we're twins who are part time hunters and sellswords.

But we should work something out together

 

My character is a Hyur as well, Midlander

 

 

So is my Hyur

this is too awesome, so what should we have them as? Siblings, friends, cousin,

 

Friends/acquaintances, or distant relatives could work  As per Faye's backstory, any of her close family is dead.

 

Friends/acquaintances it is it is then

 

How old is your character IC, Mine is 17. He's the youngest of seven and the only son, and he likes to dress up as a common worker and go wander around outside his families home.

 

Gotta work on a proper backstory, he is a relatively new character.

 

Faye is 24, so a bit older

[K'nahli]

One of my hy'urs plays as the son of a wealthy family so he is considered noble, yes. His father even used his connections and wealth to guarantee him a place among the Sultansworn once he reached the appropriate age and completed sufficient training and time as a simple Immortal Flame. I didn't want to delve too much into the details though so it didn't tamper with any lore or other RP. I figured Ul'dah would have many rich families so it wouldn't be highly rare.

 

He was also set up for a "sort of" arranged marriage with the daughter of another wealthy family, again, someone I didn't go into much information with but might RP at some point. Albeit, that was before he disappeared.

[SessionZero]

My main character Llaine is the Ul'dah nobility rosekitten mentioned. She doesn't act like it now, as she leads an order of Knights out of Coerthas, but she is still very much a member of her house and technically nobility. So if you're looking for nobility RP, I would be more than happy to provide some - Llaine is very much capable of setting aside her sword to play high class sophisticate for a little bit.

[Natya Rudh]

My alt character's family was nobility in Ala Mhigo but they fell from grace when Garlemald conquered that. Now they're refugees in Ul'dah

[K'nahli]

My alt character's family was nobility in Ala Mhigo but they fell from grace when Garlemald conquered that. Now they're refugees in Ul'dah

 

Thats a very interesting plot actually if you don't mind me saying ^^

[Kyrio Lamansque]

I'm going to be the weird Gilgamesh guy here throwing in a few gil in the conversation but..

 

I've found it very difficult to play nobles in MMO RP. One of the things that makes a noble a noble is the kind of.. weight and power and respect that comes along with the rank. And if someone decides not to give them that respect and pay a mind to the power, the noble usually has a way to bring that person into line.

 

And it's REALLY hard to get the random RPer to be like 'Oh, okay' and adjust to the fact that the character is a noble. Most of the time, at least in my experience, the response is more like 'Pff, well, my character doesn't care/doesn't recognize the authority' or what have you.

[Natya Rudh]

My alt character's family was nobility in Ala Mhigo but they fell from grace when Garlemald conquered that. Now they're refugees in Ul'dah

 

Thats a very interesting plot actually if you don't mind me saying ^^

 

Thank you <3

[Faye]

I'm going to be the weird Gilgamesh guy here throwing in a few gil in the conversation but..

 

I've found it very difficult to play nobles in MMO RP. One of the things that makes a noble a noble is the kind of.. weight and power and respect that comes along with the rank. And if someone decides not to give them that respect and pay a mind to the power, the noble usually has a way to bring that person into line.

 

And it's REALLY hard to get the random RPer to be like 'Oh, okay' and adjust to the fact that the character is a noble. Most of the time, at least in my experience, the response is more like 'Pff, well, my character doesn't care/doesn't recognize the authority' or what have you.

 

I've had the same problem. In the previous MMO I played, there was actually a political system in the game where each region had a ruler and my character was one of those rulers almost every term. She was basically like the President, but when she introduced herself people would just be like, "Oh okay hi." I understand a lot of characters may have no care or respect for nobility or authority (which seems far too common, to be honest...), but it was a little disheartening that no one seemed to really... react.  

 

Sadly, I don't really know what can be done about it, but I don't see it as a reason to abstain from playing characters who are nobility or otherwise in positions of power.

[FreelanceWizard]

Sadly, I don't really know what can be done about it, but I don't see it as a reason to abstain from playing characters who are nobility or otherwise in positions of power.

 

Putting aside the other game for the moment, in most MMOs (including XIV), the problem is that you're asserting authority over another player's character and story without requesting their consent. For a lot of players, that's tantamount to godmoding, and it's no surprise to me that the reaction would be icy. It's similar to the problem of "player-run towns" -- a lot of RPers take the standpoint of, "Who gave you the right to tell me what I can and can't do? I didn't agree to that!" They don't recognize the authority because they don't feel it's appropriate or fair for you, as a player, to assert it in the first place. From an etiquette perspective, IMO, playing a character that asserts authority over other PCs without their consent is never a good idea.

 

As for nobility in general, I think the usual complaint is that it's often abused by those who want to demand respect and power IC without playing a character that would earn it; as such, it's gotten a bad reputation as a cheap Sue-ish trope at this point. That, I think, is the core of why most characters brush it off -- that, and you have no way to apply IC consequences to a random player who ignores it; your only only option is to walk away from the RP.

 

None of that is to say that noble concepts can't work, though. Usually, they work best if restricted to a group of like-minded (and consenting) players. Outside of that group, the concept needs to be set up so that it doesn't step on other players' toes. For instance, the house may be disgraced or otherwise cast down (which gives you a reason to adventure, too); it doesn't have any real power other than money and reputation (which would be the common case in XIV, which largely isn't feudal); it's in charge of an area that's "off the map" and so its authority doesn't apply to other PCs; etc.

[Azureus Scipio]

Sadly, I don't really know what can be done about it, but I don't see it as a reason to abstain from playing characters who are nobility or otherwise in positions of power.

 

Putting aside the other game for the moment, in most MMOs (including XIV), the problem is that you're asserting authority over another player's character and story without requesting their consent. For a lot of players, that's tantamount to godmoding, and it's no surprise to me that the reaction would be icy. It's similar to the problem of "player-run towns" -- a lot of RPers take the standpoint of, "Who gave you the right to tell me what I can and can't do? I didn't agree to that!" They don't recognize the authority because they don't feel it's appropriate or fair for you, as a player, to assert it in the first place. From an etiquette perspective, IMO, playing a character that asserts authority over other PCs without their consent is never a good idea.

 

As for nobility in general, I think the usual complaint is that it's often abused by those who want to demand respect and power IC without playing a character that would earn it; as such, it's gotten a bad reputation as a cheap Sue-ish trope at this point. That, I think, is the core of why most characters brush it off -- that, and you have no way to apply IC consequences to a random player who ignores it; your only only option is to walk away from the RP.

 

None of that is to say that noble concepts can't work, though. Usually, they work best if restricted to a group of like-minded (and consenting) players. Outside of that group, the concept needs to be set up so that it doesn't step on other players' toes. For instance, the house may be disgraced or otherwise cast down (which gives you a reason to adventure, too); it doesn't have any real power other than money and reputation (which would be the common case in XIV, which largely isn't feudal); it's in charge of an area that's "off the map" and so its authority doesn't apply to other PCs; etc.

 

This guy speaks the truth ^

[Erik Mynhier]

Erik's mother (an 3/4 Midlander, 1/4 Wildwood) was a member of the House Fortemps. She was disliked by her family, as was her hybrid mother (Erik's grandmother, she died in childbirth) for her hyur heritage. Her maternal grandfather loved her greatly, which is what kept her "safe" most of her life. However soon after he died she became pregnant with Erik out of wedlock, "dishonoring" the family. The new head of the House was going be "drastic" with her, using his connections in the church to have her branded a heretic. Ulrich (Erik's father) saved her from the inquisitor (hint: he used his sword... a lot) and took her back to Ala Mhigo.

 

So is he of noble blood? Yes.

Does he know? Yes.

Does he care? No.

Does it play into my RP? In only one aspect, yes very much, but only in that one small aspect.

[Faye]

Sadly, I don't really know what can be done about it, but I don't see it as a reason to abstain from playing characters who are nobility or otherwise in positions of power.

 

Putting aside the other game for the moment, in most MMOs (including XIV), the problem is that you're asserting authority over another player's character and story without requesting their consent. For a lot of players, that's tantamount to godmoding, and it's no surprise to me that the reaction would be icy. It's similar to the problem of "player-run towns" -- a lot of RPers take the standpoint of, "Who gave you the right to tell me what I can and can't do? I didn't agree to that!" They don't recognize the authority because they don't feel it's appropriate or fair for you, as a player, to assert it in the first place. From an etiquette perspective, IMO, playing a character that asserts authority over other PCs without their consent is never a good idea.

 

As for nobility in general, I think the usual complaint is that it's often abused by those who want to demand respect and power IC without playing a character that would earn it; as such, it's gotten a bad reputation as a cheap Sue-ish trope at this point. That, I think, is the core of why most characters brush it off -- that, and you have no way to apply IC consequences to a random player who ignores it; your only only option is to walk away from the RP.

 

None of that is to say that noble concepts can't work, though. Usually, they work best if restricted to a group of like-minded (and consenting) players. Outside of that group, the concept needs to be set up so that it doesn't step on other players' toes. For instance, the house may be disgraced or otherwise cast down (which gives you a reason to adventure, too); it doesn't have any real power other than money and reputation (which would be the common case in XIV, which largely isn't feudal); it's in charge of an area that's "off the map" and so its authority doesn't apply to other PCs; etc.

 

I think you've... missed the point? No one here has said anything about ruling cities and I should hope that won't come up, because that's really silly. No one, myself or otherwise, has stated that our characters of nobility have been giving anyone orders, or expecting other characters to actually follow any such orders. Aside from her guild members ranking under her and her employees, my character, both in this game and in that previous MMO I mentioned, has never given anyone else orders.  It's not "asserting authority," it's expecting others to have the decency to respect how you've made your character. If you met the President walking down the street, you may not obey what he says to you (though chances are, he won't be giving you any orders, much like the noble characters in question here), but I think you would at least stop and say, "Oh, wow... was that really the President?"

 

Giving a character political strength is no different than giving a character physical strength. If someone tells me his character is physically strong, I don't say, "Oh, your character is strong? Are you implying he's stronger than my character!? Are you implying he can force my character to do things!? God-modder! Power-player!!" Why? Because that's ridiculous. So why do the same thing when it comes to political and social influence? Someone giving their character a strength does not mean they think their character is stronger than yours in that aspect or in general, or that they intend to use that strength to lord over other characters. It's just an aspect of their character, and one that's polite to acknowledge should it ever come up IC.

[Gharen]

I'm going to be the weird Gilgamesh guy here throwing in a few gil in the conversation but..

 

I've found it very difficult to play nobles in MMO RP. One of the things that makes a noble a noble is the kind of.. weight and power and respect that comes along with the rank. And if someone decides not to give them that respect and pay a mind to the power, the noble usually has a way to bring that person into line.

 

And it's REALLY hard to get the random RPer to be like 'Oh, okay' and adjust to the fact that the character is a noble. Most of the time, at least in my experience, the response is more like 'Pff, well, my character doesn't care/doesn't recognize the authority' or what have you.

 

I've had the same problem. In the previous MMO I played, there was actually a political system in the game where each region had a ruler and my character was one of those rulers almost every term. She was basically like the President, but when she introduced herself people would just be like, "Oh okay hi." I understand a lot of characters may have no care or respect for nobility or authority (which seems far too common, to be honest...), but it was a little disheartening that no one seemed to really... react.  

 

Sadly, I don't really know what can be done about it, but I don't see it as a reason to abstain from playing characters who are nobility or otherwise in positions of power.

 

I think alot of this reaction stems from the stigma of someone of elevating their character above others. Similar instances of this were in the thread regarding use of Artifact gear in rp it's the "What makes you so special!?" syndrome and is likely an offshoot of having to deal with mary sues and godmoders. Simply put being nobility demands a certain amount of respect from the get go. Which is something that many of us have been brought up is earned not given. This bleeds through our characters whether we know it or not.

 

Also people that name their characters "Lord " or "Lady" don't help the situation at all.

 

Personally, I have no issue with someone who's character is noble, as long as there is a believable reason this character is associating with and not lording over the rest of us rabble. Which By the way all of the reasons I've seen so far in this thread have been great.