Nobility in RP

[Seohyun]

The link above has a lot of yummy information, and an interesting debate so you can see both views. Lotsa' info! I don't mind getting tells either if someone wanted to talk personally. I know there's a few rpers here and there that play wealthy folk that are also willing to help out~.

[Twinflame]

Find me an example of a situation where there is a King or other sole-ruler (i.e. a Sultan/Sultana, Queen/King, Emperor/Empress) where there is, correspondingly, no nobility.

 

In a system where there is a sole ruler, there will always be courtiers and hangers-on, as well as those families who - by blood, wealth, or marriage - can sway the direction of the kingdom/empire/sultanate in a given direction.

 

Edited to Add: It should be noted that I am not talking about a democratically elected ruler by any means.  I'm speaking of Divine Right-esque systems of governance.

 

Isn't that what the Syndicate is? Holding half the power because of their wealth and influence, even though they personally don't pass down power through birthright? Anyway, I think it's been pointed out that the word "Noble" in game refers to the wealthy in Ul'dah, which kind of ruins my whole point because SE itself is doing the bad-noble-RP thing.

 

I suspect SE expected the Syndicate and other wealthy folk to fill this role in Ul'dah.

[LiadansWhisper]

Find me an example of a situation where there is a King or other sole-ruler (i.e. a Sultan/Sultana, Queen/King, Emperor/Empress) where there is, correspondingly, no nobility.

 

In a system where there is a sole ruler, there will always be courtiers and hangers-on, as well as those families who - by blood, wealth, or marriage - can sway the direction of the kingdom/empire/sultanate in a given direction.

 

Edited to Add: It should be noted that I am not talking about a democratically elected ruler by any means.  I'm speaking of Divine Right-esque systems of governance.

 

Isn't that what the Syndicate is? Holding half the power because of their wealth and influence, even though they personally don't pass down power through birthright? Anyway, I think it's been pointed out that the word "Noble" in game refers to the wealthy in Ul'dah, which kind of ruins my whole point because SE itself is doing the bad-noble-RP thing.

 

I suspect SE expected the Syndicate and other wealthy folk to fill this role in Ul'dah.

 

Well, that's kind of my point.  You can't say that they're not, or that SE is even wrong in labeling them "nobles."

 

There's also nothing to say that the Syndicate won't eventually evolve into a more traditional type of nobility down the line.  Most noble houses didn't start out as...well...nobles with lands and titles or whatever.

[Twinflame]

Well, that's kind of my point.  You can't say that they're not, or that SE is even wrong in labeling them "nobles."

 

Lore is lore. I think it's a bit sad and silly, but it's still the book we're all reading out of to get things done. "Nobles" in Ul'dah refers to rich folk. I don't even know what nobles in Gridania are, but I guess they've got them there too.

 

On that note, one of my characters is a noble now. Okay then! lol

[Naunet]

On that note, one of my characters is a noble now. Okay then! lol

*pats* My condolences.

[LiadansWhisper]

Lore is lore. I think it's a bit sad and silly, but it's still the book we're all reading out of to get things done. "Nobles" in Ul'dah refers to rich folk. I don't even know what nobles in Gridania are, but I guess they've got them there too.

 

On that note, one of my characters is a noble now. Okay then! lol

 

*shrugs*  The quest text called them nobles.  I have no idea who they are, except for that chick we put down in Haukke Manor.  Otherwise, they all seem holed up in that one section of town we can see into, but can't get into.

 

If you talk to the guard outside the closed district, he says, and I quote, "The district beyond is home to distinguished Gridanians.  Commoners may not enter.  That includes you, adventurer.  Go back whence you came, or I will be forced to remind you of your place."

 

So apparently, we have Commoners, which would imply that those behind the gates are not Commoners.  Oh, and we have a place, too.

 

Gee, where have I heard this language before?

 

(I agree with you that it seems terribly out of place given all of the other freaking quests we've done, but it's there.  I don't know why it's there, I just know that it is there, even if it seems really strange.)

 

Edited to Add: I was mistaken. It's called the "Gentrys Ward." What is "Gentry," you ask? Well, here's what Wikipedia says:

 

Gentry (origin Old French genterie, from gentil, "high-born, noble") denotes "well-born and well-bred people" of high social class, especially in the past. Gentry, in its widest connotation, refers to people of good social position connected to landed estates (see manorialism), upper levels of the clergy, and "gentle" families of long descent who never obtained the official right to bear a coat of arms.

 

In England, the term often refers to the social class of the landed aristocracy or to the minor aristocracy (see landed gentry) whose income derives from their large landholdings. The idea of gentry in the continental sense of "noblesse" is extinct in common parlance in England, despite the efforts of enthusiasts to revive it. Though the untitled nobility in England are normally termed gentry, the older sense of "nobility" is that of a quality identical to gentry.

[Twinflame]

Well, let's go ahead and shift back to the OP since I think we've answered the necessary questions from the first post. That is to say, yes, apparently nobility does happen in Eorzea. We're sort of low on details, but that's where RPers like us must fill in the gaps! If a nobility thing did get thrown together, I'd want to be in on that. My Miqo'te is Ul'dah nobility and has a daughter to marry off for cheap.

[LiadansWhisper]

Well, let's go ahead and shift back to the OP since I think we've answered the necessary questions from the first post. That is to say, yes, apparently nobility does happen in Eorzea. We're sort of low on details, but that's where RPers like us must fill in the gaps! If a nobility thing did get thrown together, I'd want to be in on that. My Miqo'te is Ul'dah nobility and has a daughter to marry off for cheap.

 

A Linkshell to organize players of nobles would probably be a really good thing.  Could interface with some other people to throw social events, etc., maybe come up with some intrigue RP.

[SessionZero]

Well, let's go ahead and shift back to the OP since I think we've answered the necessary questions from the first post. That is to say, yes, apparently nobility does happen in Eorzea. We're sort of low on details, but that's where RPers like us must fill in the gaps! If a nobility thing did get thrown together, I'd want to be in on that. My Miqo'te is Ul'dah nobility and has a daughter to marry off for cheap.

 

A Linkshell to organize players of nobles would probably be a really good thing.  Could interface with some other people to throw social events, etc., maybe come up with some intrigue RP.

 

I would be 100% behind this.

[Twinflame]

I'm kinda overloaded on linkshells myself. Linkshells for everything.

[TheLastCandle]

I'm kinda overloaded on linkshells myself. Linkshells for everything.

 

Funny you should mention that. I've just started "Overload," a linkshell for folks like you and I who belong to too many linkshells and are seeking a place to discuss their pearl addiction with other like-minded Eorzeans.

[LiadansWhisper]

I'm kinda overloaded on linkshells myself. Linkshells for everything.

 

Funny you should mention that. I've just started "Overload," a linkshell for folks like you and I who belong to too many linkshells and are seeking a place to discuss their pearl addiction with other like-minded Eorzeans.

 

"Hi, my name is Liadan, and I have a problem.  I'm addicted to Linkshells.  In fact, i'm pretty sure pearls are like pokemon - you gotta catch them all!!!!" :dodgy:

 

:bouncy:

[Erik Mynhier]

While that nobility (the ever so tiny drop in the whole volume of his blood) has no baring on my guy as far as standing, I find it pivotal to his character. Its not the nobility in him, its the echo of it pasted down to him from those who touched it then slipped away. Its not used to control others. Its really just what I use to explain while gentle and quiet nature, while being a really big and ripped Highlander.

[K'nahli]

My character's "nobility" was born solely from family wealth but I never really considered it to be a term linked solely with a distinguished bloodline. His family is simply high class and therefore influential, albeit I don't see this ever making an appearance in my RP unless someone chooses to recognise my families name and say:

 

"Oh, from the xxxxxx family of Ul'dah?"

 

..or something. I'd like to see people who paid more attention to the political side branding together like you are implying with your linkshell, sharing ideas and perhaps moderating the RP a bit. If it is interesting and everyone can agree that your opinions and actions are influential among the Ul'dahn people and not actually authoritative then I'm sure I can get on board with any ideas you might have, should I ever be in a position that they negatively or positively affect my character.

 

However, I won't rule some form of authority out either, but do share your thoughts ^^

[Kismet]

This is kind of a tricky subject for me... I've never been fond of dealing with players who play characters of a noble background (especially after immediately coming from GW2, which had a ridiculous explosion of them). While this obviously does not apply to everyone, I have RARELY seen the concept being handled well. I've seen people get godmoddy/marysue-ish with it, use it to establish a circlejerking clique, or just use it has an excuse to carry out some grand multi-authored Game of Thrones fanfiction with their own characters pasted in. =_=

 

SE does not treat "nobility" in this game in a 100% traditional, historical sense. That's fine. However, like SO many other things in FFXIV's lore right now, I feel as though the specifics behind such are not complete? Or at least not entirely clear. Is it just extreme wealth = nobility? Or is there more to it than that? Does it depend on the city-state they're in? Or how much property they own? If they're new money or old money?

 

What definitely makes a noble a noble in FFXIV's setting? I don't know what the answer to that question is yet.

 

If I encounter an RPer who claims nobility, I will not outright ignore them... But how I react to it (or one of my characters, rather), is something I'm still debating with myself. It may depend on how it is presented to me.

 

Edit: I did read through the other 'Nobles?' thread, but I would like better clarity. All I got from that thread was 'extremely rich people are nobles, especially if they're Ul'dahn'. Am I overlooking something?

[LandStander]

Hahahahaha, GW2 did have a ton of "nobles". There was someone I knew on there that joked out saying that there was not enough land to give to all of them so they all had to settle on their own square cubic foot of family land.

[K'dath]

And that's why Charr are the master race. You humans with your 'nobility'. The land belongs to the Legions.

[Kismet]

And that's why Charr are the master race.

 

Quoted for truth. :lol:

[Elkabong419]

I actually was playing my Lalafell as a noble, a Princess as a matter of fact. Though, the country I used I made up and is not even from Eorzea, but another section of Hydalean. 

 

She keeps that she's a Princess a secret though, as she ran away from home, and at least in her story, I'm not ready to have her go back

[Faye]

 

I'm just going to leave this here and merrily continue RPing a Lady from Gridania.

[Brave]

 

I'm just going to leave this here and merrily continue RPing a Lady from Gridania.

While I'm glad you were able to find some canon sources to continue your idea of being a noble... I have a non topic oriented question.

 

How do you have two chat logs up ><  I want that too lol

[Olofantur]

 

 

How do you have two chat logs up ><  I want that too lol

 

Hey Brave,

 

If you click and hold on the chat title ie "Event" or "Battle" and drag it, it'll separate. General is the "Host" window, so you can move it, but not separate it iirc.

 

I keep two up as well, one for validating my combat log against my parser how ever.

[K'nahli]

I actually was playing my Lalafell as a noble, a Princess as a matter of fact. Though, the country I used I made up and is not even from Eorzea, but another section of Hydalean. 

 

She keeps that she's a Princess a secret though, as she ran away from home, and at least in her story, I'm not ready to have her go back

 

You have successfully attained my interest! *searches for a wiki page*

[Brave]

 

 

How do you have two chat logs up ><  I want that too lol

 

Hey Brave,

 

If you click and hold on the chat title ie "Event" or "Battle" and drag it, it'll separate. General is the "Host" window, so you can move it, but not separate it iirc.

 

I keep two up as well, one for validating my combat log against my parser how ever.

When I log in today I'll be sure to do that.  I normally just have to select my RP tab, but every once in awhile I find a nice snippet of npc text that helps flesh the world out or assists with a quest

 

ONE DAY I'll join a linkshell rofl.  And on that day maybe I'll be able to have an LS window too rofl

[Freemoon]

I actually was playing my Lalafell as a noble, a Princess as a matter of fact. Though, the country I used I made up and is not even from Eorzea, but another section of Hydalean. 

 

She keeps that she's a Princess a secret though, as she ran away from home, and at least in her story, I'm not ready to have her go back

 

One of my multiple plans for a future character back before the game was live wasn't too far off from that basic idea.  She wouldn't have been royalty, but still would have been of a family of high standing.  It wasn't an original idea by far (grew up disagreeing with the "snooty" ways of her family and those around her, hated having her life planned for her, ran away or possibly disowned, ran off to a new land, etc.), but it was definitely interesting to me and would be a fun challenge to play.

 

I may revisit the idea in the future since I've enjoyed playing that sort of character before.