Attribute points for arcanist to scholar

[little-patchy]

Do attribute points carry over from the arcanist to the scholar? I'm wondering how to spec my arcanist class with the aim of branching into the scholar profession.

[S'maia Rahz]

Do attribute points carry over from the arcanist to the scholar? I'm wondering how to spec my arcanist class with the aim of branching into the scholar profession.

Arcanist points count for both scholar and summoner, so if you're planning to be primarily a scholar you'll want to sink those points right into mind.

 

This is true of all base classes- their bonus points apply towards the job that uses them as the primary class.

[little-patchy]

Thanks for the info, S'janna! 

[Vairemont Malveaux]

I had been wondering this myself, so thanks for the info and having the gumption to post this thread. I hazarded a guess (I'm also going scholar) so I closed my eyes and dumped all my attribute points into mind. Then I opened then and put them into mind again because I couldn't see where I was clicking before.

 

Now I feel less worried about it, although until I hit 30 and do my scholar quest, I'm going to feel bad about my lower dps in rando dungeon groups and guildhests. Good thing I already did Ifrit as a conjurer.

[S'maia Rahz]

I had been wondering this myself, so thanks for the info and having the gumption to post this thread. I hazarded a guess (I'm also going scholar) so I closed my eyes and dumped all my attribute points into mind. Then I opened then and put them into mind again because I couldn't see where I was clicking before.

 

Now I feel less worried about it, although until I hit 30 and do my scholar quest, I'm going to feel bad about my lower dps in rando dungeon groups and guildhests. Good thing I already did Ifrit as a conjurer.

I'm not at endgame yet, so I may be dead wrong here, but at the low 40s at least, I've noticed very little dps issue at all when running around as a summoner. Heck, I often have to space my damage over time spells a bit to avoid ripping aggro sometimes, especially if I'm using bane to spread them to multiple targets. My understanding is that pet damage (which is a VERY substantial part of our damage output) is based off of weapon damage, not off the caster's int. The the reduction in our damage from having a lower int is lower than it would have been had we been, say, black mages, since our spell damage is not the entirety of our damage output.

[Taeh Niumoenwyn]

I thought, and I could be wrong, that arcanists put all their points into Intelligence and then used the Conjuror spell Cleric Stance to swap Int and Mind when a Scholar.

[Vairemont Malveaux]

That makes a lot of sense. My main class is bard, so leveling a conjurer and then an arcanist had an alarmingly dramatic damage differential. I've just reached 16 on arcanist though and I'm a little surprised by the damage my tanking pet does. It probably has to do with the pink (as opposed to green? I don't know what the terms are, haha) grimoire I just equipped. Been hanging onto it since my second-ever run of Sastasha and now I'm high enough to use it.

 

Doing fates though, I've noticed a difference in the healing value of psychic (sp?) since I dropped points into mind, so I was just a little concerned about my offensive usefulness. When I healed Ifrit as a conjurer, it took our pug group 5 or 6 tries to kill the nail in time, and one of the dps was an arcanist. I've remembered that, and even though I'm still doing small fry stuff now, I still want to be sure I'm playing at my utmost. If I'm fumbling now, I'll still be fumbling in endgame.

 

It could be more gear and rotation than attribute points at this point, but I do like to have some understanding of what makes an impact now so I have less to learn (and mess up) later.

 

I don't mean to sound like I'm taking this very seriously yet. I'm just passively mulling over it.

 

Taeh - Oh yeah? But doesn't that also increase damage and reduce healing as another effect of the spell? I'll have to look this up.

[Rinh Hallani]

The nail on Ifrit can be difficult with an arcanist since most of our abilities are dots and you really need burst damage to down it fast enough. I pop Aetherflow and Energy Drain to give a bit more burst and managed it with two arcanists as dps. So yes, it's not as easy as say a thaumaturge, but it's still doable.

 

Cleric stance increases damage by 10% and reduces healing by 20% so it doesn't really help swapping your intellect for mind that way.

 

I've got both summoner and scholar and yes, all my points are in intellect, but with mind gear you can help make up the difference. I haven't tried any level 50 dungeons as a healer but managed up to Aurum Vale. Endgame is probably a completely different story however so if you plan on being a healer most of the time, I'd just reset your stats and dump them into mind.

[KitKat]

 

Cleric stance increases damage by 10% and reduces healing by 20% so it doesn't really help swapping your intellect for mind that way.

 

 

 

If only you could use Cleric Stance for summoner. You could put all your points in Mind, swap to Cleric Stance for juicy INT -and- 10% bonus damage.

[Vairemont Malveaux]

Rinh - Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I definitely am more interested in healing. Originally I had intended to make a white mage, but my new FC seemed to already have a few so I decided to go scholar instead (and have since married the idea ICly as well). It didn't even occur to me that summoners also require a 30 arcanist until earlier this afternoon, so any ideas I've entertained about playing a summoner at all are nascent and tentative at best.

 

TheCurls - I was just about to ask that! So as a summoner you can't use Cleric stance? I was mulling over the idea of being able to play both summoner and scholar (but primarily I want to be into healing, for both IC and OOC reasons), and when you explained that, Rinh, I thought of using Cleric stance as a summoner to switch int for mind. So it won't let you borrow the spell from conjurer?

 

Also thanks for much for the info and friendly replies. I was a little afraid I'd check this thread again to find a lecture or something about how I'm too low level to be worried about it! RPC has been really great to me since I joined.

 

Although I AM probably too low level to worry about it, so I'll emphasize again that at this point I'm just sort of absorbing more than worried about my game performance at this level. I'm not a zealous gamer but I still like to be playing correctly.

 

Also sorry little-patchy for hijacking your thread.

[Taeh Niumoenwyn]

Cleric stance increases damage by 10% and reduces healing by 20% so it doesn't really help swapping your intellect for mind that way.

 

I can't remember where I saw about using Cleric Stance but now you've mentioned this it's made me think. Even at level 42 the difference on casting Physick with and without Cleric Stance as a Scholar is quite noticeable.

 

With Cleric Stance the heal is 360-370

Without Cleric Stance the heal is 430-440

 

Opps :blush:

[Rinh Hallani]

So as a summoner you can't use Cleric stance? I was mulling over the idea of being able to play both summoner and scholar (but primarily I want to be into healing, for both IC and OOC reasons), and when you explained that, Rinh, I thought of using Cleric stance as a summoner to switch int for mind. So it won't let you borrow the spell from conjurer?

 

Nope, can't cross class it as a summoner.

 

With Cleric Stance the heal is 360-370

Without Cleric Stance the heal is 430-440

 

Opps :blush:

 

Haha it's an easy mistake to make. ^^

[Taeh Niumoenwyn]

So the sensible solution (are you listening Square Enix) is for Scholar to get an ability like Cleric Stance but in reverse. So Arcanist/Summoners put points in INT and then Scholar's cast Scholar Stance which swaps INT / MIND reduces dmg and increases healing.

 

*heads off to the suggestions forum*

[Goodfellow]

So the sensible solution (are you listening Square Enix) is for Scholar to get an ability like Cleric Stance but in reverse.  So Arcanist/Summoners put points in INT and then Scholar's cast Scholar Stance which swaps INT / MIND reduces dmg and increases healing.

 

*heads off to the suggestions forum*

 

But barring that eventuality, we're saying that MND is where it's at for going SCH right now?

[Rinh Hallani]

But barring that eventuality, we're saying that MND is where it's at for going SCH right now?

 

Yep!

[Rakoh]

Go full Mind for Scholar. Anything else doesn't seem worth it IMHO.

 

If you are soloing then the Damage loss from having less Int isn't a huge hit if you switch to Summoner for soloing. That or you could just go Arcanist if soloing and switch on Cleric Stance.

[Chisae]

I'm confused... I was told a long time ago to put points in INT for increased spell damage. So now were putting them in MND (mana pool), and using Cleric Stance? Is that just for the 10% boost?

[Naunet]

MND is +healing; PIE (piety) is +mana.

[LimeOfDoom]

I'm confused... I was told a long time ago to put points in INT for increased spell damage. So now were putting them in MND (mana pool), and using Cleric Stance? Is that just for the 10% boost?

For those who are planning to play Scholars, yes.

[LeCard]

As a SCH player who is about to do the last push to 50 this is what I have found.

1) MND over INT( i did 50/50 but will probably by the points reset item when I can)

 

2) Use cleric stance for what it was intended. with all your stats in MND when you use it for solo play you have really nice DMG and a little personal healer Fairy

 

3) if you want SMN go for it, but only for solo/farming stuff since your int score will be alot lower. (leather/webs/fleece) the pet tanking lets you grab more mobs at once. also big note on the idea of just going it ACN, you still get a BIG stats boost from the soul stones. NEVER go it a class when you could be going it a JOB! just try this, record you stats at your base class, then equip you soul stone(any job) and record your new stats......notice a big jump? that is precisely why you should never try to Class it when you could job it.

 

4) CRIT rate is supper important! remember the main aspect of SCH is not curing a large amount of HP in a one shot heal, SCH is a Heal-n-shield style healer and when you crit that heal to some crazy high number you also NEGATE that crazy high number of DMG. SCH should be a boring to play healing class if your doing it right because the team will see hp bars move almost not at all. 

 

5) Aether flow and you: The ideal use of Aether flow as I have found it is thus, Hold on activating Aether flow until your mp is down 1/4 the way. then hold off on useing the drain skill untill you are down at least another 1/4 to 50% mp. at 25% mp you should be able to use the second shot of the drain skill and follow it up with reactivating Aetherflow instantly getting you back to aprx. 79% mp. rinse and repeat from here 1 drain is at 50% second at 25% Aetherflow ASAP.

 

Theorys)

8-16-24 man parties and SCH

Here SCH will be the TANKs personal healer while the WHM is the party healer. by focusing the SCH on the tank(and the healers should they get hit) the tank can focus on pulling all the hate they want because they have that little safety bubble taking all that damage for them. This will also free up your WHM to do some DPS/buffs instead of constantly healing the tank as their hp moves like a heart monitor on a roller coaster.

[Chisae]

When I played ACN, I would turn on aether flow and keep it on until the cooldown finished, then use the drains to smack mobs with, then I could turn Flow right back on... probly not the best way to use it, but it worked good enough for me.

[little-patchy]

Rinh - Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I definitely am more interested in healing. Originally I had intended to make a white mage, but my new FC seemed to already have a few so I decided to go scholar instead (and have since married the idea ICly as well). It didn't even occur to me that summoners also require a 30 arcanist until earlier this afternoon, so any ideas I've entertained about playing a summoner at all are nascent and tentative at best.

 

TheCurls - I was just about to ask that! So as a summoner you can't use Cleric stance? I was mulling over the idea of being able to play both summoner and scholar (but primarily I want to be into healing, for both IC and OOC reasons), and when you explained that, Rinh, I thought of using Cleric stance as a summoner to switch int for mind. So it won't let you borrow the spell from conjurer?

 

Also thanks for much for the info and friendly replies. I was a little afraid I'd check this thread again to find a lecture or something about how I'm too low level to be worried about it! RPC has been really great to me since I joined.

 

Although I AM probably too low level to worry about it, so I'll emphasize again that at this point I'm just sort of absorbing more than worried about my game performance at this level. I'm not a zealous gamer but I still like to be playing correctly.

 

Also sorry little-patchy for hijacking your thread.

 

I'm also low-level at the moment, and a worrywart, too. But it's never too early to be prepared :thumbsup:! Asking questions is always a good thing, especially if your community is so welcoming.

[LiadansWhisper]

As a SCH player who is about to do the last push to 50 this is what I have found.

1) MND over INT( i did 50/50 but will probably by the points reset item when I can)

 

Yes, because as a healer, Int is pointless.

 

2) Use cleric stance for what it was intended. with all your stats in MND when you use it for solo play you have really nice DMG and a little personal healer Fairy

 

Yup, yup.

 

3) if you want SMN go for it, but only for solo/farming stuff since your int score will be alot lower. (leather/webs/fleece) the pet tanking lets you grab more mobs at once. also big note on the idea of just going it ACN, you still get a BIG stats boost from the soul stones. NEVER go it a class when you could be going it a JOB! just try this, record you stats at your base class, then equip you soul stone(any job) and record your new stats......notice a big jump? that is precisely why you should never try to Class it when you could job it.

 

Unless you're doing serious endgame as a SMN, it really doesn't make that big of a difference.

 

4) CRIT rate is supper important! remember the main aspect of SCH is not curing a large amount of HP in a one shot heal, SCH is a Heal-n-shield style healer and when you crit that heal to some crazy high number you also NEGATE that crazy high number of DMG. SCH should be a boring to play healing class if your doing it right because the team will see hp bars move almost not at all.

 

At present, the highest amount of Crit you can get to is 17% as a Scholar.  As a healer, I do not feel that this is worth it to prioritize.  It's just too RNG to bother with.

 

5) Aether flow and you: The ideal use of Aether flow as I have found it is thus, Hold on activating Aether flow until your mp is down 1/4 the way. then hold off on useing the drain skill untill you are down at least another 1/4 to 50% mp. at 25% mp you should be able to use the second shot of the drain skill and follow it up with reactivating Aetherflow instantly getting you back to aprx. 79% mp. rinse and repeat from here 1 drain is at 50% second at 25% Aetherflow ASAP.

 

You need Aetherflow stacks for much more important things at 50, like Lustrate and Sacred Soil.

 

Theorys)

8-16-24 man parties and SCH

Here SCH will be the TANKs personal healer while the WHM is the party healer. by focusing the SCH on the tank(and the healers should they get hit) the tank can focus on pulling all the hate they want because they have that little safety bubble taking all that damage for them. This will also free up your WHM to do some DPS/buffs instead of constantly healing the tank as their hp moves like a heart monitor on a roller coaster.

 

Nope.

 

SCH is the mitigation/proactive healer that lacks burst, but makes up for it in DR CDs, situational burst (Lustrate 3x/min), mitigation and lack of mana issues.

 

WHM is the throughput/reactive healer, that lacks mitigation beyond Stoneskin and has mana issues, but brings strong throughput heals as well as a get-out-of-jail-free card in Benediction.

 

They're designed to work together, both on tank healing and on raid healing.  One provides effective health and more stabilizing heals, while the other one provides burst healing on demand.

 

WHM should not be DPSing while healing in a serious raid.

[Michikyou]

I did about 20 mind and the rest in Pie for the extra mana.

[LiadansWhisper]

I did about 20 mind and the rest in Pie for the extra mana.

 

You absolutely don't need the Pie.  SCH do not have mana issues.