Rosekitten Posted December 3, 2013 Share #1 Posted December 3, 2013 So rp wise I play a male character, I liked my character and planned this from beta till recently. My husband was going to play a female character, though he doesn't rp it was still part of my plans if i ever wished to do art of the two. So some time in head start I made a female character to play with my husband. Skills and professions wise she fell so far behind my main character/rp toon I stopped playing her. So for a while now I've been on my male elezen with my husbands character as we confuse poor duty finder groups when we talk and reference me as female. Upon getting into a FC that is active and being on voice chat more often then not I find I do not answer well to my characters name. I love my character I put a lot of work into him when I first made his character back in beta to apply for rp groups. So I want to pull away from the route of killing the character and making a whole new one (plus I've been told by a few I'm not allowed to do this and they would rather the character be altered then to die off). So that in mind I seem to be at a bit of a fork in the roads of needing some non lore breaking or as close as possible to non lore breaking way to change a gender of a character... just as far as the character goes they'll be scarce after said event takes place for a while thats' for sure. The ideas: Thus far i have a few ideas wither I came up with or friends offered to me, but input and thoughts are most welcome because I do not claim to be a lore master of any kind! Still learning a lot of the lore. ~ Potion or experiment gone wrong. Not like my character is a Alchemy master or anything. Could even be helping with some work somewhere and this happens for all that maters. ~ falling or ending up into a magicked (maybe cursed) spring, a idea tossed to me when I had nothing to go on at all. ~ there is the gilmore or hidden appearance route where he was always female.. but I want to stay away from that if possible. The gender hiding doesn't make sense to me. ~ magic backfire or going wrong, not sure what magic limitations there are really... ~ someone offered saying Garuda being ticked at him or pulling a spell to alter the character if he had a ic encounter with her and did enough to anger the primal summon. My other thoughts are I could see maybe Siren doing a stunt of gender change over Garuda but little is known on Siren so I'm not sure on that either... Also it could be some normal mob, I know some have strange abilities, not sure if in lore anywhere there is a rare mob or something that could do such a thing. Another suggested that the god angered for this to happen should be one of the 12. Given my character's thoughts on gods and how little he bothers with them it could happen pretty easily. He's one that his mouth would land him in trouble telling one to screw off... xP Edit: My husband did decide to toss a decent idea out there finally instead o all the joking ones. Offering the suggestion of the character being mortally wounded and one of the 12 (i dont know the lore on each god/goddess so id have to look into that) offers to save/spare his life but there is a catch to it obvously Link to comment
C'kayah Polaali Posted December 3, 2013 Share #2 Posted December 3, 2013 Interesting quandary you're in, there. My first impression would be to avoid any sort of deus ex machina resolution for this, simply because there are so many instances where people RP characters that have had these sorts of singular experiences and they do it extremely badly. I'm not saying that you would RP this badly, but I am suggesting that you don't want to put yourself in a position where other folks look at you and think "ahhhh, another 'the Gods cursed me' snowflake". History is replete with women dressing as men for various reasons (check out James Tiptree for a relatively recent example), and they always end up interesting stories. My suggestion would be to pull a "George Sand" and use it as a hook for RP. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted December 3, 2013 It is true I was thinking of going the whole route of hiding the true gender all this time but I'm not sure how to explain why it was done in the first place let alone everything that happened thus far its pretty obvious the character is male as far as interactions go. >_<; But I do understand what you were saying of the gods cursed thing, though i never knew it was that common actually o-o; I was trying to brainstorm mainly cause I want to try to be as lore friendly as possible. (plus my character being female will make my husband happy for whatever reason *rolls eyes* being married has challenges at times but this is based off of a month worth of thinking over if i wanted to kill the character or find another route to try). Link to comment
Faye Posted December 3, 2013 Share #4 Posted December 3, 2013 Unless you otherwise have reason to want to change your character's sex, why not ask your FC mates to call you by a different name? When I first started RPing, it was in chatrooms and forums, so people called me by my username, not by my character's name. When I made the switch to MMO's, it was really awkward having to answer to my character's name OOC, even though I played a female. Link to comment
Jomoru Posted December 3, 2013 Share #5 Posted December 3, 2013 The Fantasia exists in Lore I've seen multiple people build rp off it. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted December 3, 2013 Faye - Well its a mix of that name thing in mumble and the fact my husband has been pestering me that when (if) the marriage system releases he wants our character to hook up. Fair enough I can see why cause we always get married in the games for giggles. But i'm also use to chat and forum rp's so I'm use to using well the name I have here as a username. ^^; It's more of a way to please my husband and the more I seem to think/joke about the idea I don't mind it. The race/skin and everything would be the same I'd literally just be switching a gender and have a freaked rp character for a while. My husband doesnt get rp's so trying to explain it to him is more of a headache and one I have been fighting for .. well from head start .__.; Jomoru - actually someone just mentioned this to me, not a epic way to go about it but I didn't care if it was epic so long as it wasn't lore breaking and all. I was trying to avoid just pulling things out of the air and my friend brought up a good fact that my character drinks more then he should on a good day and spilling something like that could easily happen (not sure how the vials work as a item ic or what not so ^^;;; ) Link to comment
Jomoru Posted December 3, 2013 Share #7 Posted December 3, 2013 Jomoru - actually someone just mentioned this to me, not a epic way to go about it but I didn't care if it was epic so long as it wasn't lore breaking and all. I was trying to avoid just pulling things out of the air and my friend brought up a good fact that my character drinks more then he should on a good day and spilling something like that could easily happen (not sure how the vials work as a item ic or what not so ^^;;; ) I know someone had it spill on them for gender change as a plot element. Getting drunk and drinking the wrong thing. Pissing off someone who spikes his drink and asks him to describe his "perfect woman" needing to fake his death because of debts or people trying actively kill him etc. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted December 3, 2013 well as a character he doesn't have debts, not rich by any means but he manages money and his bad drinking habit well enough. Given he is in limsa more often then not I can easily see him having a few enemies so a spiked drink or what not isn't out of the question by any means. Link to comment
Naunet Posted December 3, 2013 Share #9 Posted December 3, 2013 Well, depending on how you want to RP the switch psychologically... You could just RP a legitimately transgender character who goes through great lengths to get their body to match their mind. It would be a simple matter of not feeling comfortable talking about the issue to explain away why it hadn't come up earlier. Link to comment
Xha'li Moui Posted December 4, 2013 Share #11 Posted December 4, 2013 Fantasia is lore? I used it for IC purposes, though admittedly all I did was put Xha'li though a rapid late growth spurt. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted December 4, 2013 The transgender is a option, not sure I could pull it off as well as I could other methods go to be honest >.< As far as the change potions being lore or not... I have come to terms that any item in the game is somehow lore. Like i've seen some pull in the lightening event weapons as lore or something to do with their characters. I dont see why they couldn't be lore really, there is magic and alchemist in this world so whos to say someone didn't make such a mixture? I ask on the lore forums about it being lore or not but I doubt it would be answered xP Link to comment
Jomoru Posted December 4, 2013 Share #13 Posted December 4, 2013 The transgender is a option, not sure I could pull it off as well as I could other methods go to be honest >.< As far as the change potions being lore or not... I have come to terms that any item in the game is somehow lore. Like i've seen some pull in the lightening event weapons as lore or something to do with their characters. I dont see why they couldn't be lore really, there is magic and alchemist in this world so whos to say someone didn't make such a mixture? I ask on the lore forums about it being lore or not but I doubt it would be answered xP You'll probably get an argument since people have their views of lore. THe way I see it if it were just a game mechanic it wouldn't be a physical object NOR have a bit of explanation for how it works Link to comment
Dat Oni Posted December 4, 2013 Share #14 Posted December 4, 2013 I'll tell you one thing. Siren makes zombies. Not transsexuals. Link to comment
Ildur Posted December 4, 2013 Share #15 Posted December 4, 2013 You could always consider pull a Comic Book Industry Gambit and use a Retcon: your character was always female, and all interactions in the past with her are retroactively changed to reflect that or are handwaved as never happening if they weren't appropiate (like, for example, if your male character flirted with a female who is strictly uninterested in other females). This is the simplest solution if you can get everyone you have interacted with in the same page. I will assume that you want to have some kind of character arc for this change, though. I would copy-paste and tweak a similar plot from the Baldur's Gate 2 game, where a excessively arrogan magician called Edwin searches and finally gets hold of a strange magical scroll fabled to be "too dangerous". He casts it, and all it does is change him into a woman. Hilarity might or might not ensue. The plot is eventually resolved by Edwin dispelling the effects of the scroll. In your case, the plot will never be resolved with that. Also, your character, according to your wiki, is a marauder and not a magician. With that in mind, I propose the following: Instead of the scroll Baldur's Gate used, make it an actual artifacl. A rod, a wand, anything. Then specify that its power is shapeshifting. Have your character (and maybe other to tag along) be contacted by someone (a scholar?) to search ruins or whatever locations you can think of where the artifact might be. Then you can do a couple of things depending on how fast you want this particular portion of the plot to go. You can just have your character recklessly touch or use the object (for whatever reason; it could be accidental) and releasing the spell on him. Or you could have the scholar/employer try the object on him once acquired. Why? Fear of it being broken, or fear that it would transform him into a rabbit forever. The accident is problably the best bet, since the second option really throws your employer into villain territory. A third option I can think of that is relativelly painless and quick is to blame the change on a potion. Your character acquired it from some shady individual and, for some reason, decided to drink it. Maybe it was suppoused to be a really, really good healing potion, or a very expensive wine. Except it was nothing of that, and it was really a bottle filled with the Fantasia draught. Then you can have the shady individual drop to a side and never be seen, or start a plot about hunting him down for explanations and then elaborate a larger plot from there. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted December 4, 2013 I'll tell you one thing. Siren makes zombies. Not transsexuals. As I stated... I Don't know all the lore on the mobs of the ff world... I was asking thoughts no need ta be rude about it =\ Jom - yeah well...i've learned to get along with a number of different peoples thoughts on lore an what they do character wise. They won't be getting an argument from me. They can rave as they wish. I look at things this way: if they don't break lore or make some god like character then let people enjoy how they spend their time. Ildur - actually... Now that you mentioned BG I remember that plot >-< im not sure I expected a huge drawn out story from this as far as how it happened but that is a viable way to go. Lucky me I dont recall any actions that should need recon'ing if I went the other route either. The character stayed to himself/work mostly. As far as how quick... They dont even have name change in the game yet so I was waiting till then to get my husband to stop bugging me to use the vial to changr the character. A ic name change or slight alter is the least of my worries though ^^; Link to comment
Dat Oni Posted December 4, 2013 Share #17 Posted December 4, 2013 I wasn't trying to be rude about it, though Sorry~! Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted December 4, 2013 Oh well it sounded a bit rude >-<; I know the Siren in the fight had skeles but I've no idea on the primal's abilities past the songs and such *not hugely into monster lore.. should probably fix that* Link to comment
LiadansWhisper Posted December 4, 2013 Share #19 Posted December 4, 2013 Edgar suffers from Terrible Text Tone , which is something I am also guilty of at times. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted December 4, 2013 ^^; understandable. I go through it at times though i normally catch it myself and try to rephrase my wording of things *and probably still fail to some* Least as far as the reason I made this thread it seems I might have a while still with no official word on when name changes will happen. ^^; probably a good thing cause there are a few things going on that I don't really want to just up and drop out of due to having to do this. ~also for those who are confused why im still on the fence its because this would be a huge change to the character but at the same time being married to a non rp'er isn't the easiest task and being bothered as to when i'll gender switch my character is annoying me thus why I even agreed to doing this whenever name changes are released..~ though asking my husband he said just kill the character make it female and make a new rp alt.. *because i want to level from 1-50 all over again on a fresh character* Link to comment
Magellan Posted December 5, 2013 Share #21 Posted December 5, 2013 The transgender is a option, not sure I could pull it off as well as I could other methods go to be honest >.< As far as the change potions being lore or not... I have come to terms that any item in the game is somehow lore. Like i've seen some pull in the lightening event weapons as lore or something to do with their characters. I dont see why they couldn't be lore really, there is magic and alchemist in this world so whos to say someone didn't make such a mixture? I ask on the lore forums about it being lore or not but I doubt it would be answered xP I find the 'if it's in the game, it has to be lore,' argument very compelling, since FFIV:ARR was in no way, shape, or form made for rp. It is not dungeons & dragons, nor pathfinder, nor even a world like that of Dragon Age, where everything was created with the express purpose of building upon the world's lore. Fantasia is a utility item, created specifically for players unhappy with their characters appearance. It makes me wonder how people would rp such utility items such as name change or server change vouchers... ...all of which is horribly off-topic. I like the idea of your character was dressed up like a guy this whole time. But since that doesn't seem to fit your character, I guess a potion of some sort is the next best thing. I'm not sure about the gods being the cause, as they seem pretty uninvolved in matters. Link to comment
Tiergan Posted December 5, 2013 Share #22 Posted December 5, 2013 Maybe your character was dressed as a male this entire time to hide from an old enemy that is hunting her? Link to comment
Ildur Posted December 5, 2013 Share #23 Posted December 5, 2013 Fantasia is a utility item, created specifically for players unhappy with their characters appearance. It makes me wonder how people would rp such utility items such as name change or server change vouchers... A name change is the easiest thing to roleplay. "From now on, I shall be named...Alex Action!" And you are done. You don't even need a name voucher to change your name in-character. The reason we identify Fantasia as an actually canonical item is that Squee gave it an lore-friendly description. Why bother to do that if it is not part of the world? Link to comment
Jomoru Posted December 5, 2013 Share #24 Posted December 5, 2013 The transgender is a option, not sure I could pull it off as well as I could other methods go to be honest >.< As far as the change potions being lore or not... I have come to terms that any item in the game is somehow lore. Like i've seen some pull in the lightening event weapons as lore or something to do with their characters. I dont see why they couldn't be lore really, there is magic and alchemist in this world so whos to say someone didn't make such a mixture? I ask on the lore forums about it being lore or not but I doubt it would be answered xP I find the 'if it's in the game, it has to be lore,' argument very compelling, since FFIV:ARR was in no way, shape, or form made for rp. It is not dungeons & dragons, nor pathfinder, nor even a world like that of Dragon Age, where everything was created with the express purpose of building upon the world's lore. Fantasia is a utility item, created specifically for players unhappy with their characters appearance. It makes me wonder how people would rp such utility items such as name change or server change vouchers... ...all of which is horribly off-topic. I like the idea of your character was dressed up like a guy this whole time. But since that doesn't seem to fit your character, I guess a potion of some sort is the next best thing. I'm not sure about the gods being the cause, as they seem pretty uninvolved in matters. Dungeons and Dragons has plenty of items that make no sense. Like any cursed item "I'm going to put part of my soul into making this item to fuck with adventurers later!" But that's off topic its not so much as Fantasia is in game therefore it must exist but rather they provide an in universe explanation for it. Contrast this with the same setup in Wow which has no such item and is treated entirely as a game mechanic. If Nameway cards were introduced I would treat them as changing one's name with the Adventurer's guild for example. Link to comment
Rosekitten Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share #25 Posted December 6, 2013 I was just stating my thoughts on items in the game, all seem to have a description so it makes me think there is some sort of lore (sens-worthy or not) behind it. Not saying I agree with all items in game but still. We are talking of a game where I take a axe to a tree and get bugs from it >_< On the note of my plans at the present with this.. I was thinking of the mentioned way where a item might have some effect if touched but I need to think on a lot of details to make that lore friendly on its own and not just something made up from thin air. I have honestly been thinking on the dressed as a guy option as well because it seems to be the one that requires the least amount of work on my end and would be a heck of a lot less traumatizing on the character itself. It would also half explain the height of the character if it were actually female all this time as well. My issue now if how to pull it off and why they needed to hide for ... well the past like x amount of years as a male. sure i could go the route of needing to hide from someone but that seems common and over used.. but i still have time anyway because at the least i was thinking on changing the first name a bit if they give us the option. Link to comment
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