Something Just Occured To Me About Au Ra

[Havoc Snow]

...already covered how it doesn't necessitate her being royalty. 

 

Talk about getting totally distracted over word choice. I guess I was the only one who thought it was an interesting idea.

I think the reason people are getting hung up on the verbiage is because your idea is based on a caste system and your own backing for the idea is that you believed Yugiri was some sort of nobility in her society. In the english VO they also call her Lady Yugiri, but I don't think it's intended in the same sense as Lord and Lady, she is essentially the representative of the Doman refugees as you sort of stated, so I think because of that they treat her with respect as if she were a dignitary.

 

From what we know so far about Doma though, it's only a village... not a city or a country, though I suppose that could still put it on par with say Gridania.

[allgivenover]

Doma is most definitely a country and Yugiri is the leader of the refugees from Doma. 

 

What that means about what social position she held back in Doma I'm not sure, but I'm sure about those two things. Doma wasn't just a village and Yugiri is more than a representative.

[Havoc Snow]

Doma is most definitely a country and Yugiri is the leader of the refugees from Doma. 

 

What that means about what social position she held back in Doma I'm not sure, but I'm sure about those two things. Doma wasn't just a village and Yugiri is more than a representative.

It's not a country though, and it's never called a country or even implied as such. It may be a city-state (or something similar to it) but it is constantly referred to as a village, especially if you level a ninja where they repeatedly talk about "the people from the village."

 

Doma is a village that was occupied by Garlemald and then tried to rebel during the War of Succession before Varis took the throne. They believed the Garlean Empire was weak enough that their Ninjas could defeat the Garlean Forces, but were then defeated and the village destroyed and razed to the ground when one of their own betrayed them, that being Master Gekkai the former leader of the Ninjas in Doma. So with the Ninjas defeated, Doma razed to the ground, the people who managed to escape had no choice but to flee Othard and come to Eorzea.

 

 

We don't know if the Au Ra only come from Doma, or that they even come from Doma at all. Yugiri is the only one we've met so far and for all we know she's a red herring to make us believe they all come from there. The only thing I believe I've seen said is that they come from Othard, which is an entire continent (much like Eorzea), so assuming that they all come from one city in an entire continent would be like assuming that every Elezen in Eorzea only comes from Ishgard.

[Aduu Avagnar]

I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

 

linky

 

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

 

linky

 

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

 

linky

[Havoc Snow]

I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

 

linky

 

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

 

linky

 

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

 

linky

Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah, and Ishgard are all also referred to as nations, but are also only cities, which was why I said that Doma was likely the equivalent of a city-state. To borrow from another game, in FFVII Wutai Village is just a village, but also the capital of all of Wutai, and I may be wrong but I got the feeling that Doma was very Wutai like... especially since they were introduced in the same patch as Leviathan.

[Aduu Avagnar]

I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

 

linky

 

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

 

linky

 

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

 

linky

Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah, and Ishgard are all also referred to as nations, but are also only cities, which was why I said that Doma was likely the equivalent of a city-state. To borrow from another game, in FFVII Wutai Village is just a village, but also the capital of all of Wutai, and I may be wrong but I got the feeling that Doma was very Wutai like... especially since they were introduced in the same patch as Leviathan.

from the main website for Through the Maelstrom:

 

Hailing from the nation of Doma on the shores of Othard, Yugiri and her countrymen have fled their war-torn home and the oppression of Garlean rule in search of refuge.

 

With supplies and hopes for survival dwindling, Yugiri seeks council with Eorzea's leaders, that they too may call this land their home.

It is most definately a Nation, and as such could be a city state or a country. Which I agreed with you could indeed be the case.

[Havoc Snow]

I know its only a wiki and all, and unofficial at that, but the final fantasy wiki, as well as many of us were under the impression that it was a city, rather than just a city. But as you say, it could simply be a city state.

 

linky

 

Gamer escape also refers to Doma as a Nation

 

linky

 

and the page on Yugiri specifically refers to Doma, again, as a nation

 

linky

Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah, and Ishgard are all also referred to as nations, but are also only cities, which was why I said that Doma was likely the equivalent of a city-state. To borrow from another game, in FFVII Wutai Village is just a village, but also the capital of all of Wutai, and I may be wrong but I got the feeling that Doma was very Wutai like... especially since they were introduced in the same patch as Leviathan.

from the main website for Through the Maelstrom:

 

Hailing from the nation of Doma on the shores of Othard, Yugiri and her countrymen have fled their war-torn home and the oppression of Garlean rule in search of refuge.

 

With supplies and hopes for survival dwindling, Yugiri seeks council with Eorzea's leaders, that they too may call this land their home.

It is most definately a Nation, and as such could be a city state or a country. Which I agreed with you could indeed be the case.

Right, I'm definitely not in disagreement here that Doma IS a nation, just that it is also a village. I think perhaps I may be misunderstanding the original meaning of "country" though that allgivenover was meaning, to me it seemed to be implying that it was the same thing as calling all of Thanalan, Ul'dah.

[K'nahli]

This was mentioned numerous times in previous topics. I was curious myself, but only really thought of how it could be worked now and was surprised how easily the plausible answer came to me.

 

I don't think much was said by Yugiri on the grounds of why she concealed herself. I imagine it could easily be avoided by changing a couple of dialogue pieces and changing her fully-concealed model to her normal look for when she first appears for new characters(be they Au Ra or not) once the race itself is released, in addition to having no emphasis on the Au Ra being new or anything in the beginning other than perhaps some little tidbit along the lines of:

 

"Haven't seen much of the likes of you around".

 

 

Easiest method I can think of.

[Jana]

The village that the NIN quest NPCs are from isn't ever named. We could safely assume it's within Doman territory, but it and Doma are not one and the same. Besides, going by the rules for Japanese high fantasy, the NIN village would have been in a secret place, not the capital for a nation.

[Havoc Snow]

The village that the NIN quest NPCs are from isn't ever named. We could safely assume it's within Doman territory, but it and Doma are not one and the same. Besides, going by the rules for Japanese high fantasy, the NIN village would have been in a secret place, not the capital for a nation.

This is actually incorrect, the very first quest in the Ninja storyline when you first meet Tsubame and Oboro they tell you that they have come to Eorzea from Doma on a mission while explaining to you who they are and who Karasu is and why they are hunting him. There is also the fact that they clearly come from the same place as Yugiri because they say something like "you must be the Rogues Lady Yugiri spoke of."

 

The point I am trying to make is that it is very likely that Doma is to them what Gridania or Ul'dah is to Eorzea, even if it is a nation it is still likely based around the Doma Village. It's like how we call people from Gridania, Gridanians... not Black Shroudians.

[Jana]

My name is Oboro, and she is Tsubame. We hail from a village in Doma, several thousand malms across the sea. We are─ah, but perhaps you have no word for what we are. In our own tongue, one might call us shinobi.

 

The village is in Doma, but the village isn't Doma. You can double-check the text here.

[Naunet]

My name is Oboro, and she is Tsubame. We hail from a village in Doma, several thousand malms across the sea. We are─ah, but perhaps you have no word for what we are. In our own tongue, one might call us shinobi.

 

The village is in Doma, but the village isn't Doma. You can double-check the text here.

 

That seems pretty clear to me then. They even refer to it as a province (which implies a region much larger than just one city).

[Havoc Snow]

My name is Oboro, and she is Tsubame. We hail from a village in Doma, several thousand malms across the sea. We are─ah, but perhaps you have no word for what we are. In our own tongue, one might call us shinobi.

 

The village is in Doma, but the village isn't Doma. You can double-check the text here.

Hmm, I guess I was mistaken on this one. Still, it's a bit strange that they would completely change the naming conventions for them. We don't call people from Limsa Lominsa La Nosceans, nor do we call people from Ul'dah Thanalanians, so why would they be called Domans if it's the name of their region, when every other nationality is named after their ruling city.

 

Until we know more I still stand by my theory that Doma is the name of the area and the name of the capital at best, similar to Wutai.

[Aduu Avagnar]

probably because it is a country as opposed to a city state?

 

People from a city state are named after the city state (i.e. florentines, venetian etc)

people from a country are named after the country.

[Naunet]

Clearly different government structures, yes.

[allgivenover]

probably because it is a country as opposed to a city state?

 

People from a city state are named after the city state (i.e. florentines, venetian etc)

people from a country are named after the country.

This right here.

[Altitis Acquired]

Maybe the country AND the city are both called Doma. It's a possibility.

[Havoc Snow]

probably because it is a country as opposed to a city state?

 

People from a city state are named after the city state (i.e. florentines, venetian etc)

people from a country are named after the country.

But it's not really a country though, they call it a Garlean Province which is only part of a country.

[Kellach Woods]

For those of you who are expecting changes to the MSQ based off the Au Ra... don't get your hopes up.

 

Thancred still fights like a gladiator.

[Naunet]

probably because it is a country as opposed to a city state?

 

People from a city state are named after the city state (i.e. florentines, venetian etc)

people from a country are named after the country.

But it's not really a country though, they call it a Garlean Province which is only part of a country.

 

It could very well be a country annexed by the Garlean Empire (which is quite large).

[Havoc Snow]

probably because it is a country as opposed to a city state?

 

People from a city state are named after the city state (i.e. florentines, venetian etc)

people from a country are named after the country.

But it's not really a country though, they call it a Garlean Province which is only part of a country.

 

It could very well be a country annexed by the Garlean Empire (which is quite large).

That's a good point, former country annexed into Garlean province.

[Havoc Snow]

For those of you who are expecting changes to the MSQ based off the Au Ra... don't get your hopes up.

 

Thancred still fights like a gladiator.

That much actually makes sense though, because he doesn't even reveal he knows how to fight like a rogue until much later in the story and you don't see him fight again (that I can recall) after the Rogue reveal.

 

If they retconned him to use two daggers from the start of the story and then you get to the Leviathan part of the MSQ and he whips out a second dagger like it's a big surprise everyone would be confused.

[Jack]

For those of you who are expecting changes to the MSQ based off the Au Ra... don't get your hopes up.

 

Thancred still fights like a gladiator.

That much actually makes sense though, because he doesn't even reveal he knows how to fight like a rogue until much later in the story and you don't see him fight again (that I can recall) after the Rogue reveal.

 

If they retconned him to use two daggers from the start of the story and then you get to the Leviathan part of the MSQ and he whips out a second dagger like it's a big surprise everyone would be confused.

In 1.0, Thancred and the other Scions fought Gaius and ol' Thanny pulled out a bunch of Throwing Daggers. So basically he goes rogue when the going gets tough. At least, that's my speculation.

 

After that mission, everyone in my party thought there was going to be a dagger class. But then the game got scrapped and years later, we got what we wanted.

[Havoc Snow]

For those of you who are expecting changes to the MSQ based off the Au Ra... don't get your hopes up.

 

Thancred still fights like a gladiator.

That much actually makes sense though, because he doesn't even reveal he knows how to fight like a rogue until much later in the story and you don't see him fight again (that I can recall) after the Rogue reveal.

 

If they retconned him to use two daggers from the start of the story and then you get to the Leviathan part of the MSQ and he whips out a second dagger like it's a big surprise everyone would be confused.

In 1.0, Thancred and the other Scions fought Gaius and ol' Thanny pulled out a bunch of Throwing Daggers. So basically he goes rogue when the going gets tough. At least, that's my speculation.

 

After that mission, everyone in my party thought there was going to be a dagger class. But then the game got scrapped and years later, we got what we wanted.

In all fairness though, in 1.0 most of the Circle of Knowing could do things that the player couldn't, like Y'shtola being able to create a giant dome version of Protect or Papalymo casting Gravity to suck in bullets and crush them. Urianger even used to have the old Arcanist staff from its original concept as a debuff/dot/trapper class before it became a pet class.

[Briggs]

I'm still 99% certain they're not going to go back to old content and retroactively edit every quest to acknowledge Au Ra. Edit script that directly references the characters race / class for dialogue purposes, sure, but not redo any actual content.