Opinions on Padjal Characters?

[Hihimi]

Hello! I was curious to know what everyone's opinions on Padjal characters are...I'm tempted to make one but I want to know how taboo it is, or if it's not even lore friendly at all...

From what I can see in game, Padjals are extremely rare, but new ones are still being born--thus leaving "Unaccounted for in lore" Padjals... If this is wrong, please tell me!

 

Now, on to the RP. She'd obviously be a White Mage OOCly and ICly, and not announce her white magic to everyone she meets...One of the things I noticed in various quests is their "Masquerade" as normal, albeit very powerful, conjurers...Probably to put the population's minds at ease. She'd not be a casual kind of character who sits around in a tavern--rather, a person who does stuff and leads expeditions to purify the corrupted areas in the wilds of the black shroud. As for how I'm going to get her horns, I don't really know yet... Everything else seems to be doable with character creation and careful outfitting, though.

 

Finally, note I will not go through with this idea if too many people are against it. I know that upsetting someone is an eventuality, but I'd prefer to gauge how many people will get upset beforehand, and abstain if it's an overwhelming no. Thanks!

[Edvyn]

i have a bad feeling about this

[Havoc Snow]

The short and simple answer is no, it's not even remotely lore friendly.

[J'arila]

One of the things I noticed in various quests is their "Masquerade" as normal, albeit very powerful, conjurers...Probably to put the population's minds at ease. 

 

I've been through the WHM story twice and I never got that impression. I thought the general population knew that the Padjal were blessed by Elementals with White Magic.

 

Also, you mention the horns yourself a bit later, and that's my major question. How is a perpetual child with horns going to masquerade as anything other than Padjal? It's -potentially- possible that less educated populations of Limsa and Ul'dah might not immediately know what she is, but most anyone in Gridania would know a Padjal when they see one.

[DrDucker]

sounds dangerous

 

that said, if you want to do it, do it - just be aware of the repercussions from people that like a more canon setting

[Havoc Snow]

One of the things I noticed in various quests is their "Masquerade" as normal, albeit very powerful, conjurers...Probably to put the population's minds at ease. 

 

I've been through the WHM story twice and I never got that impression. I thought the general population knew that the Padjal were blessed by Elementals with White Magic.

 

Also, you mention the horns yourself a bit later, and that's my major question. How is a perpetual child with horns going to masquerade as anything other than Padjal? It's -potentially- possible that less educated populations of Limsa and Ul'dah might not immediately know what she is, but most anyone in Gridania would know a Padjal when they see one.

They don't really masquerade as anything as far as I know, anyone who is a resident of Gridania knows what and who the Padjal are. Any child chosen by the Elementals is taken away to the Stillglade Fane to be trained in White Magic. While there may be Padjal we have yet to meet, the lore doesn't really leave much wiggle room for "unaccounted for" Padjal because the Elementals pick them specifically, it's not really some random thing that happens and no one knows about it.

 

If you're going to play a Padjal, you may as well play the Warrior of Light as well. You're pretty much afforded the same level of mary sue.

[J'arila]

I will also add that the vast majority of the RP community is very likely to just say no to this. It's hard enough just getting a White Mage character to be accepted, much less a Padjal.

[Kage]

It'd be easier for a character to be finding some other means of using white magic and the succor ala Vegas Fanfest lore panel than to say my character is a padjal.

[Havoc Snow]

I will also add that the vast majority of the RP community is very likely to just say no to this. It's hard enough just getting a White Mage character to be accepted, much less a Padjal.

Just to add onto this, most characters who color outside the lines in general tend to have a difficult time getting accepted by the RP community as a whole. People who play races outside the currently playable races tend to be viewed with skepticism at best, and out right rejection at worst. Things such as Allagan, Voidsent, Dragons, or something entirely made up are pretty common taboos, Padjal not so much but it's definitely on par.

 

My advice is do what you want if you think you'll have fun with it, but if you're looking for community acceptance and mass appeal, this isn't a good idea.

[Hihimi]

Yeesh. There goes that Idea then.

[Desu Nee]

Anything remotely close to WHM or Gridania structure will be received as well as if you were half void-sent half Allagan being a spy of the Garleans.

This game has so many taboo rps it's hilarious. Not saying that's bad, I've seen way worse communities and here you're not screamed Mary Sue left and right, but yeah.

 

 

Regarding Paldjaa, I had the same idea a while ago and dropped because really, Paldjaa are chosen ones for Gridania, and leaving it makes as much sense as if you're a Nunh and it's out there adventuring. But honestly, we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.

[Desu Nee]

Yeesh. There goes that Idea then.

You could rework into something more plausible! Maybe a Conjurer trying to replicate WHM abilities, that's canon!

[Hihimi]

I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

[Edvyn]

we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.

i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions 8-)

[Desu Nee]

I will also add that the vast majority of the RP community is very likely to just say no to this. It's hard enough just getting a White Mage character to be accepted, much less a Padjal.

Just to add onto this, most characters who color outside the lines in general tend to have a difficult time getting accepted by the RP community as a whole. People who play races outside the currently playable races tend to be viewed with skepticism at best, and out right rejection at worst. Things such as Allagan, Voidsent, Dragons, or something entirely made up are pretty common taboos, Padjal not so much but it's definitely on par.

 

My advice is do what you want if you think you'll have fun with it, but if you're looking for community acceptance and mass appeal, this isn't a good idea.

Frankly, the whole RP community as a whole is a massive hogwash. At least 75% of the RP in FF is in close knotted FC groups, with their own story that overlaps, and more often than not doesn't fit another rp in another FC, and while I agree Lore should be respected, appreciated and used as to work your character, one shouldn't do something to please everyone, because that's nigh impossible, and any interesting idea that COULD be worked respecting lore is normally shot down because some people make Lore a rulebook instead of a guideline.

 

Regarding playing outside playable races, I agree 100%. It's hard to take seriously a Garlean without something covering the third eye and being a spellcaster, and I say that by personal experience, and who the hell would rp themselves as a dragon, lol.

[Hihimi]

we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.

i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions 8-)

Yes, uncensored opinions that basically are encouraging me to fuck off and never return. That isn't exactly good for new members to hear.

[Havoc Snow]

I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.

[Hihimi]

I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.

Still doesn't make them more lorebreaking than White Mages of other races, IMHO.

[Edvyn]

we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.

i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions 8-)

Yes, uncensored opinions that basically are encouraging me to fuck off and never return. That isn't exactly good for new members to hear.

you're seeing hostility where there is none, please settle down

[Desu Nee]

I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

War of Magi. Same as why you don't see BLM everywhere, they were really dangerous in the past and caused the world to almost lose all magic. While BLM became lost to but a few members and tribal species, the elementals flooded the world so WHM would be lost and confined the teachings to the Paldjaals to balance. Paldjaa's probably are only born in Gridania and any half-brained Gridanian can recognize one so they would be taken and taught White Magic, and only them.

 

 

An outsider WHM is as hard to see, since the elements don't trust WHM to anybody but Paldjaa, as a Paldjaa not being taken in, because the Elements went out of their way to give the gift and sure as hell ain't just letting it do what it wants.

[Desu Nee]

we were kinda harsh with how we approached this on this thread.

i don't see any posts that could be considered harsh. OP wanted opinions, OP got opinions 8-)

Yes, uncensored opinions that basically are encouraging me to fuck off and never return. That isn't exactly good for new members to hear.

That's a stretch. Albeit I agree some people here were a bit too dry, you're putting words on their mouths, no offense.

[Edvyn]

Finally, note I will not go through with this idea if too many people are against it. I know that upsetting someone is an eventuality, but I'd prefer to gauge how many people will get upset beforehand, and abstain if it's an overwhelming no. Thanks!

[Havoc Snow]

I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.

Still doesn't make them more lorebreaking than White Mages of other races, IMHO.

The lore team has stated that there are other methods of obtaining White Magic other than learning it the way that the PC learns it, they just haven't delved into that in any official capacity yet. There are apparently forces at work trying to bring back Succor through nefarious means, so while most White Mages are viewed with a certain level of "u wot m8" by the RP community, it's still a possibility if you play it off well enough.

 

Padjal on the other hand are exceedingly rare because they are only ever chosen by the Elementals when the Elementals feel they need more to help them. Considering the current Padjal have all been around for an exceptionally long time, it's likely that for more to be made it would require an immense threat to the Black Shroud that couldn't be handled by the current collective might of the Padjal that already exist.

 

It's lorebreaking because there just aren't really any unaccounted for Padjal in the lore, so you would require a lot of hand wavium to wiggle yours in, which basically means the vast majority of people won't want to play with your character. This may sound cruel, but it's how RP communities work no matter what game you're in. It's taboo because as stated several times now, the Padjal are the Chosen Ones, and it is exceedingly frowned upon for people to play anything in that kind of role.

[Hihimi]

I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

The primary reason is because of the Padjal part, they are literally the Chosen ones of the Black Shroud, hand picked by the forces of nature to defend the forces of nature.

Still doesn't make them more lorebreaking than White Mages of other races, IMHO.

The lore team has stated that there are other methods of obtaining White Magic other than learning it the way that the PC learns it, they just haven't delved into that in any official capacity yet. There are apparently forces at work trying to bring back Succor through nefarious means, so while most White Mages are viewed with a certain level of "u wot m8" by the RP community, it's still a possibility if you play it off well enough.

 

Padjal on the other hand are exceedingly rare because they are only ever chosen by the Elementals when the Elementals feel they need more to help them. Considering the current Padjal have all been around for an exceptionally long time, it's likely that for more to be made it would require an immense threat to the Black Shroud that couldn't be handled by the current collective might of the Padjal that already exist.

 

It's lorebreaking because there just aren't really any unaccounted for Padjal in the lore, so you would require a lot of hand wavium to wiggle yours in, which basically means the vast majority of people won't want to play with your character. This may sound cruel, but it's how RP communities work no matter what game you're in. It's taboo because as stated several times now, the Padjal are the Chosen Ones, and it is exceedingly frowned upon for people to play anything in that kind of role.

OK, I understand now. Sorry if I upset anyone, requesting thread lock.

[Edvyn]

Sorry if I upset anyone

it appears to be the other way round