Opinions on Padjal Characters?

[Kellach Woods]

Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

 

I'd have less of a problem accepting someone learned White Magic from other sources than claiming they are a Padjal. My FIRST reflex will be "If you're Padjal where are your horns? Why aren't you in the Shroud?"

 

That being said play what you want to play.

[Edvyn]

Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

who

[Hihimi]

I don't want to cause another argument, please make your own thread so that this one can be buried.

[Desu Nee]

Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

I for one have been trying to do some voidsent storyline, I'm just working in ways that it isn't simply Mary-Sueism or wholly irrelevant to the character.

[Khoure]

I'm going to preface this by saying I only did the first quest for WHM so I don't know much about it other than only Padjal get to learn it, and that padjal are ridiculously rare/chosen. That, and that one boy padjal was real salty when our MC got the soul crystal/ was allowed to learn WHM

 

I think that in this case, I can apply some lessons I've learned writing fanfiction. That lesson is that content is a heck of a lot more important than ideas. Ideas are dime a dozen, and their terribleness or awesomeness is largely dependent on how you write. The only factor an idea determines is difficulty. A padjal character would be fairly difficult to write well, and if you get it badly people might jump down your throat. Heck, people might jump down your throat anyways. But almost nothing is impossible to write well. I know RP is a bit different, but in stories most characters can be considered sues when you only account for basic impersonal information and not for the way they interact with and are treated by the world.

 

In short, I say go for it. In cases like these with very unique characters, it is important to strike a balance in how integral this unique feature is to the character you are writing. If you make it too unimportant, it will look like you just wanted to add some fancy bells and whistles to a normal character that doesn't need it. Base too much of the character around the feature and they will seem 2-dimensional, silly, or the dreaded, overused "sue-like".

 

Honestly, call me tasteless, but I think interacting with a padjal under some kind of masquerade or glamour could make for some interesting RP

[Edvyn]

nobody likes an ideas guy

[Kellach Woods]

Voidsent are far more accepted than you think. I know of at least two people who play as such.

who

wouldn't want to spoil anything.

 

but yeah

[Desu Nee]

nobody likes an ideas guy

ideas are bad. listen and believe

 

[Edvyn]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

[Maril]

It really comes down to what you prefer and who you're playing with. Your idea, as others have told, doesn't really adhere to lore which is something a lot of roleplayers tend to want to make sure their characters do, but you can absolutely find people out there who has a far more loose approach to lore and does embrace all of the unique-special-the-one-ness that FFXIV has so much of. 

You just need to be aware that it wont suit the likes of everyone, and you should perhaps try to avoid forcing it on people. I'm not saying that you would, but some people I have met get really upset if their RP isn't acknowledged by everyone around them.

 

I regularly roleplay with people that do not have the same adhereness to lore as I do, and we get along fine because these people have simply accepted that my character can not accept some of the aspects about their characters and will, if it gets mentioned, regard them as somewhat crazy - because if I started fully acknowledging this into this characters world it would have some drastic consequences that I as a player, because of my preference with the lore, wouldn't like to see in my RP on that character.

 

And obviously, you should be prepared for if someone sees it and they choke up over it that they might say something or ask some questions in ways that range from friendly to unfriendly, because this is an RP community after all.

 

But yeah. If you go for it I'd recommend finding a group with similar tastes, probably among the light-rp aspect ^^

[Desu Nee]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

[Edvyn]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

[Desu Nee]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

[Havoc Snow]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

Summoned by the elusive Beast Tribe known as Fry Kids.

[Edvyn]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

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ronald battle theme leaked

[Desu Nee]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

Summoned by the elusive Beast Tribe known as Fry Kids.

Using the recently discovered, nugget shaped McCrystals.

[Edvyn]

Is it bad that I would play that non-ironically?

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

Summoned by the elusive Beast Tribe known as Fry Kids.

Using the recently discovered, nugget shaped McCrystals.

mcdonaldland expansion when

fuck ishgard i want to go to mcdonaldland

[Desu Nee]

And his wipe is crushing the Arena with a hamburguer

 

 

[Desu Nee]

BA DA BA BA BA

I'M LOVIN' IT

Summoned by the elusive Beast Tribe known as Fry Kids.

Using the recently discovered, nugget shaped McCrystals.

mcdonaldland expansion when

fuck ishgard i want to go to mcdonaldland

Golden Saucer

Golden Sauce r

 

Moustard is golden and a sauce

McDonalds burguers can have moustard.

 

McDonald Land confirmed to be in 2.51

[Edvyn]

And his wipe is crushing the Arena with a hamburguer

 

 

[Desu Nee]

And his wipe is crushing the Arena with a hamburguer

 

 

Adds confirmed. 

 

SE please listen we did all your work.

[Khoure]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

 

i'm not sure if you wanted a reply for this, but okay. I should have clarified to, any idea can be written if one is serious about it. Obviously, there is no one willing to be serious about writing something like that. And in addition, the ability to write something well is sort of like an exponential graph, difficulty approaching infinity as you approach the asymptote of "nothing to do with canon whatsoever" that being said, Padjal are actually a thing in canon, and imho while definitely not near 0 difficulty, certainly not near infinite difficulty either. Something approaching infinite difficulty would be like someone trying a weird crossover as you've proposed.

[Edvyn]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

 

i'm not sure if you wanted a reply for this, but okay. I should have clarified to, any idea can be written if one is serious about it. Obviously, there is no one willing to be serious about writing something like that. And in addition, the ability to write something well is sort of like an exponential graph, difficulty approaching infinity as you approach the asymptote of "nothing to do with canon whatsoever" that being said, Padjal are actually a thing in canon, and imho while definitely not near 0 difficulty, certainly not near infinite difficulty either. Something approaching infinite difficulty would be like someone trying a weird crossover as you've proposed.

but king moggle mog was a fairytale among the moogles made reality by the power of mass belief. if a significant group (the fry kids) believed in the mcprimals and undertook the necessary mcrituals to summon them, couldn't the mcprimals happen just like king moggle mog did?

 

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[FreelanceWizard]

but king moggle mog was a fairytale among the moogles made reality by the power of mass belief. if a significant group (the fry kids) believed in the mcprimals and undertook the necessary rituals to summon them, couldn't the mcprimals happen just like king moggle mog did?

 

And then you have Saint Shiva, who while ostensibly a living being at one point, wasn't a god, as well as Enkidu, who's just an average monster that isn't even from this universe. Phoenix was essentially conjured into existence despite the people desiring protection not specifically praying for it. There's definitely a lot of stuff regarding "Primals" and their summoning that the Ascians (and the devs) are holding close to their chest. Even Louisoix's explanation of Phoenix in Final Coil doesn't entirely clarify the matter.

 

So... yeah. Metaphysically, it seems like if you got the Fry Kids together with enough crystals and strong enough belief, you could indeed summon the McPrimals.

 

Not that I'd advise that one do such a plot, mind you.

[Magellan]

i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

 

i'm not sure if you wanted a reply for this, but okay. I should have clarified to, any idea can be written if one is serious about it. Obviously, there is no one willing to be serious about writing something like that. And in addition, the ability to write something well is sort of like an exponential graph, difficulty approaching infinity as you approach the asymptote of "nothing to do with canon whatsoever" that being said, Padjal are actually a thing in canon, and imho while definitely not near 0 difficulty, certainly not near infinite difficulty either. Something approaching infinite difficulty would be like someone trying a weird crossover as you've proposed.

There's a standard baseline in communal RP as far as what is acceptable and what isn't. Due to sheer number of players, this baseline has to be watered down, with stricter adherence to lore than the baseline in... say an FC or a small group.

 

In other words; safe. Communal RP has to be safe, otherwise you stretch and bend lore in all kinds of weird, contorted directions, until what you are left with is Tera; a game that really had very little lore, and a straaaannnnggggeeee variety of rp characters like vampire princesses, and a thousand year old horse-warlock, and everyone and their brothers, mothers, and dogs played assassins.

 

Thing is, none of this was backed by lore. And none of it was necessarily disputed by lore either, because there was such a lack of it. I understand the tendency of others to shoot down ideas deemed too radical, as you then start to create that strange amalgam of mary sues, special snowflakes, power creep, etc. etc.

 

But the whole reason FC's and smaller groups exist, is because communal RP can be so vanilla. Too safe. People get so caught up in what is lore appropriate, and what will be accepted by the masses, that they can, in a very real sense, cripple their character of anything that would make them interesting. There is a skill in itself in making a 100% lore-friendly, will never offend anyone"S OOC sensibilities, character... well... interesting. People are constantly pushing and prodding the lore boundaries.... because the extraordinary is a lot more inspiring creatively to a lot of people, than just writing about an everyday joe.

 

With that said, there are some ideas, no matter how well written, that just will not find acceptance in the baseline communal rp. They muddy the waters far too much, and elevate that character above the efforts everyone else has put in to creating a workable, believable rp community. Those types of characters are much better off finding a small group, or an FC to rp in, that is more accepting of radical ideas.

 

Exploring new boundaries has always been a part of fantasy, but when you go far off the charted map, you can't expect the masses to follow you, because their interest lies in more identifiable, recognizable fiction.