Selsix

No, because it still took you TIME. Sure, it poses a problem either way. But you won't be able to do this the SECOND you log in. Also, this is only part of the reason, my major concern specifically is the level aspect.

Then good for them? If they want to come over at that point go for it. By the time that becomes a feature (which won't be for MONTHS), I will welcome them over with open arms because everyone will likely be on the same page in terms of endgame content, and an economy will already be in place. EDIT: You completely missed my point. The argument wasn't that newbies get taken advantage of. It's that Legacy players may not only be taking advantage of the new players, they can take advantage of the lack of an economy.

I hate to break it to you, but it is pretty much a new game. Cataclysm was an expansion, it simply added content and re-vamped some old geography. A Realm Reborn is an entire re-design of the game's interface, graphics engine, environment, questing, battle system, features, and endgame content. It may not be a BRAND new game. But it's as close as you can possibly get. And if I'm allowed to play on a server without any pre-leveled characters on it in this new world? I'm going to. Sure can. Scenario 1: Say a legacy player has an item and wants to sell it. Now this item isn't for sale and since he's a Legacy player, and he has plenty of cash left over from 1.0. He can now charge whatever he'd like for this item before an actual economy is re-established simply because there are no other ones for sale. Scenario 2: Now let's say a non-legacy player puts up some crafting materials for sale. A legacy player sees they are fairly cheap, because again, there is no real economy in place yet. So he buys all of them, which sure might give the new player some profit. But what can he do then? Re-sell them all for MUCH more. Thus causing a problem. This particular issue happens even late game, but the key difference is late game there is an economy in place, so it has marginal success due to market influx.

First off, I didn't say I wanted to be the FIRST at everything, I said I want to be on the front lines. That means I want to be doing actual progression, not catching up to people who had weeks of progress ahead of me. That is a fair request. Second, yes, that is how it works. Legacy players will start off with a lot of items and money. Sure, they worked for them in the past. But because of this? They get to hold all the new players by the balls. Are all of you doing this? No. Will it happen? Very likely. And finally, no, it is not spiteful. Two or three people's actions does NOT account for all of us. I was not part of that, most of us weren't. You said it yourself, he's "self-appointed". We did not elect this man, I do not stand behind all of his choices. None of us do. If you want a fair shake? I advise you take that up with him. But don't pin that on the rest of us. 'Kay thanks.

Again. They can indeed affect my play experience. Legacy players keeping their items and gil can ruin the economy in a fresh new game. Their levels can also ruin my experience. Even if I level as FAST as I possibly can, there will still be plenty of people who started at 50 and already are miles ahead of me in terms of end game progression and gear. Sorry, but I'd like to be at the front lines. Not catching up. I also fail to see how any of this is spite. I'm not doing it to MAKE you feel bad. I'm doing it to give myself a shot. How is that spite? Spite - a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person; bitter, ill will; malice. That sounds like NOTHING I am trying to accomplish. So please stop throwing words like that around.

BS. There is absolutely no risk of of "broken game mechanics" whatsoever on a Legacy server. The only difference is that there are some people who are already ahead of the game, but judging from the "How far did you get?" poll a considerable majority of Legacy players never made it past level 30 with one character. More to the point, I consider splitting the community to be THE WORST POSSIBLE SIN. There is nothing that justifies splitting the community. Nothing. Absolutely nothing! You can't do it. You just can't do it. There's literally no possible answer that would convince me that "yes, it's okay that people are splitting up an already niche and incredibly tiny community". Every single excuse - and they are excuses - that's been stated here and elsewhere on these forums has been far, FAR from justifying this ridiculous divide. Right now, we number maybe in the hundreds, with maybe 3/4 going to Balmung and 1/4 going to Gilgamesh. I mean, that's bloody terrible. There are already so few of us to begin with, why do we need to be split up on something so incredibly trivial? The worst part is that there will inevitably be dozens of players who just burn out over time and that leaves us with a scant few dozen active players by this time next year. I've seen this happen so many times in so many MMOs that I'm absolutely astonished that this is even an issue. Why take the risk? Why? No, don't answer that, you already know I won't accept any of your answers. Ugh, I can't even describe how angry all of this makes me. Yes, it's completely trivial, but it's BECAUSE it's so trivial that it makes me so angry. It really, really wouldn't be that difficult to just roll on a single server, but no, some folks have to take it upon themselves to be... different. To spite everyone else, just because they can. I'm sorry, but I cannot respect that. If you ever decide to reroll on Balmung, you are all welcome to do so (I won't be nearly as angry then because, y'know, I'll just be playing the game), but don't expect any sympathy from me whatsoever if things go south. First of all, there are possible problems. People have already discussed possible economic issues with legacy players keeping their gear and cash. Not to mention the massive headstart you have on every other new player by having leveled up characters. Secondly, there's no "splitting the community". A lot of people going to Gilgamesh are NEW players. Your community isn't being "split". Just new people are going to a new realm. Also, it's not trivial at all. At least not to us. You argue "why can't everyone roll on Balmung?" And the short answer is because Balmung has high level pre-geared characters. This is a NEW game. You can't get angry at some people for wanting a FRESH server on a NEW game. Lastly, nobody is doing this to "spite" Legacy players. Or at the very least I'm not. Every single time I explain this I'm getting told I HATE legacy players, or that I resent them, or am bitter towards them, or wish to spite them. That's bull. I don't HATE you. I wish I could play WITH you. But fact of the matter is, I see the head start all Legacy players have in the economy? Along with their pre-leveled characters? Forgive me if I want a free shot in a new game. But I think that that is a perfectly legitimate excuse, and I am sure plenty of people agree with me. But seriously, just calm down. Getting upset won't fix anything. This is going to happen whether you like it or not, so learn to be okay with it or simply ignore it. Any other option is only going to drive you mad.

Uhm, I'm a guy bro. Notice the male Elezen avatar. So what you're saying is that you see Balmung as a speeding bus that won't stop for anyone and will mow you down without a second thought if you got in its way. That does give perspective. Also Resent, Noun: Bitter indignation at having been treated unfairly. Indignation, Noun: Anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment. Both of these kinda sound pretty spot on. Resentment is an ugly word, I know, but it doesn't make it any less accurate for this argument. You completely miss the point. The "bus mowing you down" is a metaphor for the chance that a legacy realm could completely screw you over. It might not, but the chance that it CAN is definitely there. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. Granted, both options have risks associated. But while both present potentially toxic communities; only one exhibits a danger of broken game mechanics. Given that evidence? I'm going to take my chances with Gilgamesh. As for "Resent". Your own definition proves my point. "Bitter". Nobody is bitter sir. Well, at least I'm not. It's just a smart move in my eyes.

If you are convinced that that is the reason why then you are part of the problem, not the solution. Every reason given for going over to Gilgamesh has been either because of our levels, our gil, because many feel anything that can be done has been done on Balmung, and a number of other reasons. I'm not devaluing these opinions, not am I saying they aren't sound, I'm just saying that many people are going to Gilgamesh because they have this feeling they can't belong because we were already here, and the resent us for that. If people could just admit it and stop trying to tip toe around each other we might actually be able to co-exist peacefully, even if this argument or these feelings won't ever go away. So wanting to be on a realm that doesn't already have accomplished players on it means we RESENT the accomplished players? You're assuming WAY too much. Do we see it as something that can interfere with our play experience? Yes. Most definitely. That is the entire reason for most of us, or at least for myself. But that's where it ends. We don't RESENT you for it. We aren't being FORCED to play with you. We are playing on another realm so that we WON'T resent you. If SE forced everyone to play on Legacy realms? Then you would see resentment. This is us just avoiding a potential problem. This is how I see Legacy realms vs Non-Legacy: Say you're waiting for a bus, and you see your bus coming that shows no signs of stopping. Now ALL of your friends are on this bus, so you can very well jump in front of it and HOPE it stops so you can get on the bus, or go splat in the road. Or the complete other option would be, let this bus go and wait for the next one. Maybe you'll make some new friends while avoiding the potential gruesome road pizza. It doesn't mean you can't still be friends with the guys on the last bus, but it means a possible interesting situation for you. Could it go badly? Most definitely. The next bus might be filled with muggers, terrorists, or worse... The entire cast of Jersey Shore. But it could also contain your future best friends whom you could introduce to your old buddies and be one big happy family, even if you aren't always together. That put it in perspective for you?

If you are convinced that this is the reason why people don't want to be on Balmung then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Just going to toss this out there, you should never ever EVER let someone else dictate how you play. The only stupid idea is the one you don't share.

4chan is going to Ultros, not Gilgamesh.

I honestly think this dead horse topic just needs to die. Some people just DON'T want to play on Legacy realms, we have our own reasons regardless of how stupid they sound to you. No amount of convincing or logic is going to change that. Fact of the matter is? Everyone needs to accept both servers as RP entities or this argument will never die. Ever.

So after much research, (yes I am outting myself as a 4chan user). Most of 4chan is actually going to Ultros. 4chan migration to Gilgamesh will be minimal at best. Now please stop freaking out. Source: http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/43842876 (I don't advise clicking this link if you are not 18+ as 4chan is not a youth friendly website. If someone has a problem with this link here please let me know and I will be more than happy to remove it.)

Sounded fun, I made one. Selsix Viedeces' Character Sheet:

Indeed they do my friend... Indeed they do... hHkKJfcBXcw [/align] I died.

And cue the Duskwight product placement!

Indeed they do my friend... Indeed they do...

Still, I don't see it being a major problem. Internet giants like Reddit and 4chan are fickle. If the servers lock up? They will be the first to leave. Anyone know what the servers cap at? Because communities jump from server to server so well on the fly... oh wait... It's pretty safe to assume Gilgamesh is their target and they're locked in for bad or worse, which as its already been said, the RP community moving toward Gilgamesh is also too heavy to move at this point without serious internal communication. So then why bother fighting it? What happens at this point? Happens. If you don't like where a train is going, standing in front of it isn't going to do you a whole lot of good.

OH! OH! ME ME! I KNOW THIS! I had this problem is well, it's because you're playing on Fullscreen, switch to border-less windowed mode and pasting into paint will work once more. (it's also much easier on most computers and looks identical to fullscreen)

Still, I don't see it being a major problem. Internet giants like Reddit and 4chan are fickle. If the servers lock up? They will be the first to leave. Anyone know what the servers cap at?

That IS quite a resume you have there... I'm sure you'll fit right in, consider this your very first welcome. :moogle:

Servers can lock, and I'm betting that they will when 4chan, NeoGAF, Reddit, RPC, and a few other groups all try to join the same one. I doubt this. Sure those communities are VERY large altogether. But you have to take into account how many people FROM those communities will be playing. I honestly don't see server load being a huge problem.

I'm not sure exactly why a massive pop is a BAD thing. Is lag the concern? Or do the servers lock up after a certain amount of people are online?

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=2540&pid=30825#pid30825 http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=2540&pid=30829#pid30829 It was known, during the poll. Judging by the fact that the original post had 40 votes for Gilgamesh, I'd say it'll take at least that many for us to officially change it.

That is where you are 100% completely incorrect. On a realm where NOBODY has max level characters, if someone is having trouble with something? It'll be get some friends of equal level, and band together to conquer the hurdle. On a legacy realm? It'll be "Hold on guys, lemme switch to level 50 PLD lel". Even if a lot of legacy players aren't max level, people will still call max level friends, etc... Sure, this'll happen on non-legacy realms too... Eventually. Not for a little while. I plan to enjoy that while I can. See the problem?