K'nahli Posted April 28, 2015 Share #1 Posted April 28, 2015 Does anyone with any experience with tarot card and fortune telling RP, or those whom have ideas for roleplaying their future Astrologian, have any advice, tips or resources for those who are completely new to it? It sounds like something that might be incredibly difficult to wing on some basic and recurring details so I'd like to get as much information as possible. Link to comment
Cliodhna Eoghan Posted April 28, 2015 Share #2 Posted April 28, 2015 i've been to a couple ic, one was an event here (sadly i didn't get time to actually get a reading) i got one from a hod tavern night (i can't recall the name but it was one of the cutest little lala's and they were actually doing a reading with cards as i answered their questions) and the third was a private session with erik and the card reader ic. (they had us pick two numbers over tells for a couple of the cards and then they proceeded with the reading from that point on) the ones i was able to get were very accurate....both ic and ooc surprisingly o__O Link to comment
Wymsical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #3 Posted April 28, 2015 Actually, this is what I'll be doing with my astrologian. I've purchased a particular Tarot deck and will be doing an actual reading in tandem with the roleplay instead of using randomized cards or numbers online. I considered using an Oracle deck but I'm not as familiar with that format. Plus, the concepts on the standard 78-card Tarot deck are easily translated to XIV, at least ones with more traditional illustrations and meanings. I'll also be using different spreads depending on what the person she's reading wishes to know. I hope people will like that extra bit of 'authenticity'; I really enjoy reading Tarot and this was the perfect way to incorporate it! 1 Link to comment
cuideag Posted April 28, 2015 Share #4 Posted April 28, 2015 Actually, this is what I'll be doing with my astrologian. I've purchased a particular Tarot deck and will be doing an actual reading in tandem with the roleplay instead of using randomized cards or numbers online. I considered using an Oracle deck but I'm not as familiar with that format. Plus, the concepts on the standard 78-card Tarot deck are easily translated to XIV, at least ones with more traditional illustrations and meanings. I'll also be using different spreads depending on what the person she's reading wishes to know. I hope people will like that extra bit of 'authenticity'; I really enjoy reading Tarot and this was the perfect way to incorporate it! That is really rad and I wish I had the patience to do the same. I'd be interested in seeing how it plays out as well! Link to comment
Cliodhna Eoghan Posted April 28, 2015 Share #5 Posted April 28, 2015 Actually, this is what I'll be doing with my astrologian. I've purchased a particular Tarot deck and will be doing an actual reading in tandem with the roleplay instead of using randomized cards or numbers online. I considered using an Oracle deck but I'm not as familiar with that format. Plus, the concepts on the standard 78-card Tarot deck are easily translated to XIV, at least ones with more traditional illustrations and meanings. I'll also be using different spreads depending on what the person she's reading wishes to know. I hope people will like that extra bit of 'authenticity'; I really enjoy reading Tarot and this was the perfect way to incorporate it! ohh let me know when you do, i love getting readings done >u< Link to comment
Dogberry Posted April 28, 2015 Share #6 Posted April 28, 2015 I've done IC tarot readings, as well. Most of it has been for large groups of people waiting. I've done three card spreads, mostly one card draws for brevity, and a full "star" formation for the few sessions where I had the time. I do actually have the cards, and I do "real" readings. I intend to host more events with Iskierka telling fortunes, but planning and logistics keeps me from making it a regular thing. If we band together, we can probably host larger events for people. All I know is, every time I've offered tarot readings IC, I have been completely overrun by people, and have spent hours doing one-card readings because that is all I've had time for. It's always been a lot of fun, but it's also a lot of work and I usually spend hours trying to organize people and trying to balance giving personal attention to people who came to the event and trying to make sure I see as many people as possible. Speaking of which, Clio, I owe you a reading. Bug me on Dogberry and I'll switch over to Iskierka for you. As for the actual RP, while Iskierka is a witch and does actually do magic, she will admit that any claims of her being an "oracle" are merely for entertainment purposes, and that she does not actually see the futures. She admits that while cards do have specific meanings, they are broad enough that she can apply them to any situation on the spot, and that what she's really doing is reading people and telling them what they need to hear. When pressed about her readings being her just stating the obvious, her defense is that most people don't really want to hear obvious common sense, so she dresses it up as mysticism and most people seem more willing to accept it. 2 Link to comment
Cliodhna Eoghan Posted April 28, 2015 Share #7 Posted April 28, 2015 I've done IC tarot readings, as well. Most of it has been for large groups of people waiting. I've done three card spreads, mostly one card draws for brevity, and a full "star" formation for the few sessions where I had the time. I do actually have the cards, and I do "real" readings. I intend to host more events with Iskierka telling fortunes, but planning and logistics keeps me from making it a regular thing. If we band together, we can probably host larger events for people. All I know is, every time I've offered tarot readings IC, I have been completely overrun by people, and have spent hours doing one-card readings because that is all I've had time for. It's always been a lot of fun, but it's also a lot of work and I usually spend hours trying to organize people and trying to balance giving personal attention to people who came to the event and trying to make sure I see as many people as possible. Speaking of which, Clio, I owe you a reading. Bug me on Dogberry and I'll switch over to Iskierka for you. As for the actual RP, while Iskierka is a witch and does actually do magic, she will admit that any claims of her being an "oracle" are merely for entertainment purposes, and that she does not actually see the futures. She admits that while cards do have specific meanings, they are broad enough that she can apply them to any situation on the spot, and that what she's really doing is reading people and telling them what they need to hear. When pressed about her readings being her just stating the obvious, her defense is that most people don't really want to hear obvious common sense, so she dresses it up as mysticism and most people seem more willing to accept it. *stares at post* *stares at sig* i thought that was two different people. o___________________O;;;;;; still that would be dapper if you have time for it at some point! thank you for remembering about it >u< Link to comment
Dogberry Posted April 28, 2015 Share #8 Posted April 28, 2015 MOST DEFINITELY People are often surprised that I play Iskierka. Link to comment
Wymsical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #9 Posted April 28, 2015 I've done IC tarot readings, as well. Most of it has been for large groups of people waiting. I've done three card spreads, mostly one card draws for brevity, and a full "star" formation for the few sessions where I had the time. I do actually have the cards, and I do "real" readings. I intend to host more events with Iskierka telling fortunes, but planning and logistics keeps me from making it a regular thing. If we band together, we can probably host larger events for people. All I know is, every time I've offered tarot readings IC, I have been completely overrun by people, and have spent hours doing one-card readings because that is all I've had time for. It's always been a lot of fun, but it's also a lot of work and I usually spend hours trying to organize people and trying to balance giving personal attention to people who came to the event and trying to make sure I see as many people as possible. Speaking of which, Clio, I owe you a reading. Bug me on Dogberry and I'll switch over to Iskierka for you. As for the actual RP, while Iskierka is a witch and does actually do magic, she will admit that any claims of her being an "oracle" are merely for entertainment purposes, and that she does not actually see the futures. She admits that while cards do have specific meanings, they are broad enough that she can apply them to any situation on the spot, and that what she's really doing is reading people and telling them what they need to hear. When pressed about her readings being her just stating the obvious, her defense is that most people don't really want to hear obvious common sense, so she dresses it up as mysticism and most people seem more willing to accept it. My Au Ra will handle things completely differently but variety is fantastic! I'd actually love to do events revolving around fortune telling, maybe even listing the different readers and their style/speciality in some IC fashion! It'd be great to arrange sometime after HW launch! I'd love to discuss it. c: Link to comment
Cliodhna Eoghan Posted April 28, 2015 Share #10 Posted April 28, 2015 MOST DEFINITELY People are often surprised that I play Iskierka. well before i further derail this (in a mod thread to boot... :blush: ) amazing job, you've had me thinking it was two people up till this point! :lol: Link to comment
Dogberry Posted April 28, 2015 Share #11 Posted April 28, 2015 Yeah, I definitely think if we got a bunch of us together and held events we could serve people that want their fortunes told with the time and attention needed to make for fun RP without feeling rushed or having to let people down. I know when I've done it I've always been disappointed that I've had to leave people out. I certainly don't like letting people down. Plus, even with the fine folks of Soliloquy managing front of house, the sheer amount of people and work doing every reading and coming up with something for everyone was actually pretty mentally exhausting. It's why I haven't done another event. I want to cool my heels a little bit because it's a lot of work. I think we can divide this labor pretty easily. Link to comment
Nebbs Posted April 28, 2015 Share #12 Posted April 28, 2015 Yes nebbs has done several palm readings and more strange reading... spray paint chromatograph of your aura? Also Clouse does card readings http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=10939&highlight=clouse Link to comment
lutroxical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #13 Posted April 28, 2015 I am very excited for this aspect of RP! I've never actually given readings to others before, but it is a long term interest of mine. I have a few books on the subject I'll be picking up closer to release to refresh myself. My only personal caution is to wait until we actually see the cards Astrologians receive? Unless I've missed the lore somewhere, I don't think there is any mention of full tarot decks in the game. (Please feel free to correct! I'd love to read more about the in game lore given on fortunetelling/astros.) I'd imagine that the cards we'll be using will be far more limited than IRL. I know of some others that are just using full decks at the moment, and that's fine too! I guess I just want to see what is available lore-wise, firstly. :3 Link to comment
Mercer Posted April 28, 2015 Share #14 Posted April 28, 2015 Depending on what system you use, it's pretty darn easy to do. I used to do it with my magic character in City of Heroes. The simpler the system the better, make sure it's straightforward and easy to describe. Link to comment
Wymsical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #15 Posted April 28, 2015 My only personal caution is to wait until we actually see the cards Astrologians receive? Unless I've missed the lore somewhere, I don't think there is any mention of full tarot decks in the game. (Please feel free to correct! I'd love to read more about the in game lore given on fortunetelling/astros.) I'd imagine that the cards we'll be using will be far more limited than IRL. You're correct that the in-game Astrologian deck is much smaller than a Tarot one (6 or 8 cards, that I recall). That is likely for a gameplay reason since many more would jus hamper smooth skill use. I have been making the assumption that the cards Astrologians use are very particularly chosen and aesthetically tuned ones for the purposes of battle and healing, and that other card decks for more 'mundane' purposes could very well exist. Not explicitly stated in lore, but I wouldn't say it's a far stretch. Cards and fortune telling have spanned time and cultures! Using such a small deck would be very limiting for fortune telling. Link to comment
Val Posted April 28, 2015 Share #16 Posted April 28, 2015 I'd say if you need information, get in touch with Clouse Sydonis, aka Remnance on the RPC. I've had two characters do readings with him and, despite knowing absolutely nothing about my characters, managed to peg their future/events going on in their life pretty well. He also did my partner's character and was surprisingly accurate with her as well. Link to comment
K'nahli Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted April 28, 2015 MOST DEFINITELY People are often surprised that I play Iskierka. well before i further derail this (in a mod thread to boot... :blush: ) amazing job, you've had me thinking it was two people up till this point! :lol: I am banning you so hard after I finish posting this!!11!1 I'd say if you need information, get in touch with Clouse Sydonis, aka Remnance on the RPC. I've had two characters do readings with him and, despite knowing absolutely nothing about my characters, managed to peg their future/events going on in their life pretty well. He also did my partner's character and was surprisingly accurate with her as well. Ohh, thank you very much! Link to comment
BumblingSeaBiscuit Posted April 28, 2015 Share #18 Posted April 28, 2015 I have a character who has been doing this since I've made her. Her soothsaying has been more private between the community I surround myself with. However, if people are looking to learn / want something done I'd be happy to offer her services, too. This is a character type I've played across many games including WoW and GW2, and tarot is something I've been doing in my real life for about. . . eleven (damn) years now. So yup! Cards aren't the only thing available. There's scrying, tea reading, etc~. -crawls back into her hole- 1 Link to comment
E'irawen Posted April 28, 2015 Share #19 Posted April 28, 2015 I really am interested in learning how to go about doing readings in RP. I don't know how Eorzea treats the arcana, but I've been having fun incorporating IRL hobbies like this into my roleplay. That being said, as well, I've been trying to recruit for a group of characters that does things like this. Divining (tarot, tea reading, etc.), herbal healing, crystal healing, and more. A lot of things of this nature. (also, performances, if you are so inclined to!) I am nervous to say because I don't know anyone's reactions to the subject, but to help clarify the inspiration, a lot of (my character's, at least) doings are inspired by wicca and witchcraft culture. It's still in the bare bones of development and brainstorming, but I wanted to post it here with so many other like-minded individuals. http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=11337 Link to comment
Nako Vesh Posted April 28, 2015 Share #20 Posted April 28, 2015 My only personal caution is to wait until we actually see the cards Astrologians receive? Unless I've missed the lore somewhere, I don't think there is any mention of full tarot decks in the game. (Please feel free to correct! I'd love to read more about the in game lore given on fortunetelling/astros.) I'd imagine that the cards we'll be using will be far more limited than IRL. You're correct that the in-game Astrologian deck is much smaller than a Tarot one (6 or 8 cards, that I recall). That is likely for a gameplay reason since many more would jus hamper smooth skill use. I have been making the assumption that the cards Astrologians use are very particularly chosen and aesthetically tuned ones for the purposes of battle and healing, and that other card decks for more 'mundane' purposes could very well exist. Not explicitly stated in lore, but I wouldn't say it's a far stretch. Cards and fortune telling have spanned time and cultures! Using such a small deck would be very limiting for fortune telling. The cards are apparently as follows: Balance, Ewer (a pitcher for water), Bole (tree trunk), Spear, Arrow, and Spire. The cards look like they're absolutely beautiful and I plan on making a physical deck of my own out of them to do IC readings on my Au Ra. I personally don't see why these can't also be used for readings. It seems a shame to ignore them in RP. Plus, the low number of cards keeps the system simple for easily explaining them in RP. 1 Link to comment
E'irawen Posted April 28, 2015 Share #21 Posted April 28, 2015 My only personal caution is to wait until we actually see the cards Astrologians receive? Unless I've missed the lore somewhere, I don't think there is any mention of full tarot decks in the game. (Please feel free to correct! I'd love to read more about the in game lore given on fortunetelling/astros.) I'd imagine that the cards we'll be using will be far more limited than IRL. You're correct that the in-game Astrologian deck is much smaller than a Tarot one (6 or 8 cards, that I recall). That is likely for a gameplay reason since many more would jus hamper smooth skill use. I have been making the assumption that the cards Astrologians use are very particularly chosen and aesthetically tuned ones for the purposes of battle and healing, and that other card decks for more 'mundane' purposes could very well exist. Not explicitly stated in lore, but I wouldn't say it's a far stretch. Cards and fortune telling have spanned time and cultures! Using such a small deck would be very limiting for fortune telling. The cards are apparently as follows: Balance, Ewer (a pitcher for water), Bole (tree trunk), Spear, Arrow, and Spire. The cards look like they're absolutely beautiful and I plan on making a physical deck of my own out of them to do IC readings on my Au Ra. I personally don't see why these can't also be used for readings. It seems a shame to ignore them in RP. Plus, the low number of cards keeps the system simple for easily explaining them in RP. I totally forgot they even showed the cards at Fan Fest. Thank you for posting them! I really would love to use them in RP. I hope we can get more lore soon. Link to comment
Wymsical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #22 Posted April 28, 2015 Whether you keep it simple or complex is really a matter of your (and the character's) personal style. I'm using Tarot in the context of reading for personal introspection, reflection and examination instead of simpler, easy answers. In my format, the reader helps explain the possible interpretations of whichever of the 78 cards have been drawn. That's a very particular technique. A simpler one would really benefit from using just the in-game ones. Not that I'm going to ignore them; I intend to incorporate their use into the IC portion of the reading. Link to comment
Nako Vesh Posted April 28, 2015 Share #23 Posted April 28, 2015 Whether you keep it simple or complex is really a matter of your (and the character's) personal style. I'm using Tarot in the context of reading for personal introspection, reflection and examination instead of simpler, easy answers. In my format, the reader helps explain the possible interpretations of whichever of the 78 cards have been drawn. That's a very particular technique. A simpler one would really benefit from using just the in-game ones. Not that I'm going to ignore them; I intend to incorporate their use into the IC portion of the reading. I suppose it could be interpreted as personal style, but I'm sort of wary about copying a real life card system into Eorzea, especially when they're providing an Eorzean system for us. Of course, this is granted they provide us deeper meanings for each card (though different styles of fortune telling may have different interpretations of the cards, which is coooool). But then again, I'm an advocate for 'RP how you wish,' so you do you! Link to comment
Wymsical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #24 Posted April 28, 2015 I suppose it could be interpreted as personal style, but I'm sort of wary about copying a real life card system into Eorzea, especially when they're providing an Eorzean system for us. Of course, this is granted they provide us deeper meanings for each card (though different styles of fortune telling may have different interpretations of the cards, which is coooool). But then again, I'm an advocate for 'RP how you wish,' so you do you! I'm honestly a little dubious that a robust reading system consisting of six cards will be provided, especially since the astrologian's exact skills fall more under 'attuning oneself to the stars to change fate (via healing/buffs/damage)'. Of course, we won't know until we do the job quests! That being said, I like the vast array in Tarot but I don't intend to actually call it that ICly. The card names fit easily into the setting as well! I understand the concern and I'll be working to meld them convincingly into the world. Given the significant European influences in Eorzea, I think it'd fit in excellently, along with any other fortune telling styles people care to use. That said, I'm very curious to see if the job quests address the cards' in any detail. Link to comment
lutroxical Posted April 28, 2015 Share #25 Posted April 28, 2015 I suppose it could be interpreted as personal style, but I'm sort of wary about copying a real life card system into Eorzea, especially when they're providing an Eorzean system for us. Of course, this is granted they provide us deeper meanings for each card (though different styles of fortune telling may have different interpretations of the cards, which is coooool). But then again, I'm an advocate for 'RP how you wish,' so you do you! I'm honestly a little dubious that a robust reading system consisting of six cards will be provided, especially since the astrologian's exact skills fall more under 'attuning oneself to the stars to change fate (via healing/buffs/damage)'. Of course, we won't know until we do the job quests! That being said, I like the vast array in Tarot but I don't intend to actually call it that ICly. The card names fit easily into the setting as well! I understand the concern and I'll be working to meld them convincingly into the world. Given the significant European influences in Eorzea, I think it'd fit in excellently, along with any other fortune telling styles people care to use. That said, I'm very curious to see if the job quests address the cards' in any detail. I agree with both of these sentiments! Basically, I'm just holding out for more information. If constellations/star attunement plays more of a role than the cards themselves, perhaps another form of divination is more appropriate for my character. But maybe not! It'll be fun to see how everyone takes the information given. Collaboration on meanings of [insert card/method here] with other players could be really enjoyable. Link to comment
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