Why can't my Character be from FFXI?

[Zedrick Pendragon]

There's something that's been bothering me as of late. I just returned to FFXIV and decided I wanted to Roleplay again. So I server jumped or to Balmung. I have had the hardest time finding a good RP FC because I RP as being from Vana'Diel. Sometime during the Wings expansion my Character was sucked through a Cavernous Maw and Ended up in Eorzea. But this is too lore bending for those FC's, and I don't understand why?

First and foremost I understand that FFXI, AND FFXIV ARE DIFFERENT GAMES SET IN DIFFERENT WORLDS. So before anyone jumps on me for that let's get that out of the way.

 

Ok here we go with my rebuttal. FFXI, and FFXIV are two different games with two different worlds, with strikingly common similarities. Hyur, Hume. Galka, Roegadyn. Mithra, Mi'qoute. Tarutaru, Lalafell. There's even a damn Lalafell in the main quest line named Tataru. Gustaberg, and Thanalan have very similar landscapes as does Bastok compared too Ul'Dah.

 

So with all these similarities is it SOOOOOOO farfetched and lore bending to have a Character from Vana'Diel? I've even RPed that my character is ill, due to the adverse affects on his body due to the Aether, which he isn't use too, yet still I get turned down left and right by FC's stating that this is too lore bending. The similarities between the 2 games are uncanny. Granted same developer but that makes it even more plausible that these worlds have something in common and exist parallel to each other in either time or Universe. I could see complaints of lore breaking if my character were from WoW or Tera, Guild Wars, but is it too much to be from a world that could Very well be interpreted as an extremely alternate time like say far in the future, or past. Or even a parallel universe Running right along side each other.

 

Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

[Unnamed Mercenary]

Most people I've seen in the game (and in my own personal oppinion) choose to RP as having been born and raised somewhere on Hydaelyn.

 

Sure, the races sorta match up. But there are a decent amount of differences as well.

 

Roegadyn are gendered and have no tails.

 

Miqo'te (there's no u) do not have fur. The males are generally free to roam and hunt as well. Yeah, they're rarer, but it's a very different society.

 

Lalafell aren't all stuck with the weird brown nose thing.

 

So....yes, the games look similar, probably have related elements, but are not the same worlds. They're connected through the void, as SE has said every Final Fantasy title is, but for the most part, the average RPer isn't from another world. Isn't generally a Warrior of Light. And many are not even Echo-enabled people. (There are people who have the Echo / RP the main scenario quests. But this is a little less common around the people I happen to RP with.)

 

I wouldn't call it lore-bending, since we know it -is- feasible, but I would put it under far-fetched. The lore behind how your character might've had a certain job or class in FFXI doesn't map to how it would work in FFXIV.

 

On a side note, why must your character be from FFXI? To me, that feels like you want to disregard the FFXIV story and lore, which could possibly be what others thought as well.

[Telluride]

 

 

On a side note, why must your character be from FFXI? To me, that feels like you want to disregard the FFXIV story and lore, which could possibly be what others thought as well.

 

On the other hand, SE's made it Canon in game features that stuff from other worlds just sneaks into FFXIV all the time - Shantoto's special appearances, Lightning's guest appearance week, Cloud and Squall on TT cards, The Gold Saucer (coincidence there, but a big one) and the like. If someone wants to be from another linked world, they're frankly no more guilty of busting the 4th wall and the lore than SE themselves. They might have a tough time of it, but you can't waggle a finger at them without waggling that same finger at the whole franchise. You're gonna need a bigger finger.

[Grott]

Your character can't be from FFXI because this game is FFXIV.

 

It's the same reason you don't see Bilbo Baggins hanging out in King's Landing. They are two separate stories with two separate universes, regardless of similarities.

 

It isn't hard to just switch your character's minor details.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

 

 

On a side note, why must your character be from FFXI? To me, that feels like you want to disregard the FFXIV story and lore, which could possibly be what others thought as well.

 

On the other hand, SE's made it Canon in game features that stuff from other worlds just sneaks into FFXIV all the time - Shantoto's special appearances, Lightning's guest appearance week, Cloud and Squall on TT cards, The Gold Saucer (coincidence there, but a big one) and the like. If someone wants to be from another linked world, they're frankly no more guilty of busting the 4th wall and the lore than SE themselves. They might have a tough time of it, but you can't waggle a finger at them without waggling that same finger at the whole franchise. You're gonna need a bigger finger.

 

This is an excellent point. I want to make clear that while I could not do so (having never played FFXI, I imagine it'd be hard for me to have a character there), it's not an impossible situation to be in. But even in the crossovers, the game has explained that it was through extraordinary or unknown powers that allowed people outside of this realm to have crossed over into the FFXIV universe.

 

But like many of the other things RPers wave fingers at, would a person from Vana'Diel be quick to admit they are from another world? I'd rank it about as high on the "potential for people to overreact" meter as say, being a WHM in public to people who know what a WHM is and the "rules" behind it. Or a BLM publicly casting a flare in the city to proclaim he's learned the dark arts or something. For public RP, it'd likely ruffle a lot of people's feathers. I would suggest keeping such knowledge private or among a small/trusted group.

 

Eorzea is pretty open to outsiders. Now everyone needs to say where they're from, right?

[OttoVann]

Your character can't

 

Negative.

 

Actually let me edit this, the character can do what the writer can, not what you deem is appropriate. It might not even be minor considering if they can write up a good story, their differing background may be more enjoyable to interact with.

[Vareal]

I actually have some experience in this matter, though my character wasn't from FFXI, she was however from a different world, so I'll share my experiences and thoughts.

 

Long ago, when 1.0 was still a thing, I had a character by the name of Eternal Darkness, of course this was just a code name she had received, her full name was D'vislian'l Linnel. She went through several character changes before I finally dumped her, but her original origin story was that she was from a totally different realm, totally different world, a world I had created and based of Norse mythology. I forget what I called the place (hell, I even made a map of the world) however, Eternal did something bad and to punish her, the ruler of this world threw her into a temporal vortex which whisked her away and pooped her out in Eorzea and she awoke a Miqo'te.

 

This presented a few different problems: first, anyone wanting to truly get to know her would have to learn of her past and of different lore separate from FFXIV. And that was a whole heap of a lot. To get around this, I had written an entire story that never got fully published on the RPC forums, there were even some issues with that; however the story was OOC so even though the player knew, the character didn't.

 

Second, she would have had to learn the entire Eorzean lore, history its races, which isn't all that hard, but again its a whole heap to pile on and take it slow to learn over an extended period of time.

 

Third, and this one is up for debate, there would most likely be a language barrier. I'm quite sure that, in a non semantic way, the language spoken in FFXI is quite different from the language spoken in FFXIV. But again, that's up for debate, or not.

 

It's simply more fun, fast and easier to hit the ground running if your character is from Eorzea or one of the other nations like say Doma or the Garlean Empire, than to say they come from a completely different world which, as you've come to find out, turns a lot of people off from your character. It's not that its impossible or even improbable, its just that some people might not find it original and won't want to deal with that. And also, many people have never played FFXI so they won't want to go ahead and learn the names, places or races that the game comprises of. Its just too much in a game thats so rich with lore and story to introduce an ENTIRE, separate world into it as well.

 

However, an alternative route might be to take your character from FFXI and simply adapt, not import or transfer or implant, but adapt him into FFXIV. By this I mean say if your character were born in Jeuno in FFXI, then simply change his/her birth place to Ul'dah and so on and so forth. That way you're not loosing too much and you're keeping the general idea of your character. I've heard of people attempting this in the past, though I'm not sure how well it worked out for them.

 

Personally, I would say to scrap the idea that your character comes from FFXI and either adapt him/her or just make a new one. Have fun reading the lore about the different countries that comprise the game, the city states and all that. Go nuts on learning the naming lore for Miqo'te and Roegadyn's, read about all the different Era's, on how the Miqo'te ancestors migrated to Eorzea during a sort of ice age where they crossed frozen oceans in search of food during the 5th umbral and make a descendant of those people. There is SO much lore to shuffle through its almost mind numbing. Just get creative.

 

But I digress. I do not mean to tell you what you can or cannot do, I am only offering an insight to the issue. Technically, the main aspect of roll playing is that you have the freedom to do whatever you want with your character, you have that creative right. So do whatever it is you feel you want to do and have fun doing it!

[Zedrick Pendragon]

Unnamed Merc, and Telluride thank you for credible example and comments. Tancred you're buffoonery is not welcome nor appreciated here. Your reasoning is not credible to explain why I can't have a character from FFXI roleplayed here in FFXIV.

 

Unnamed Merc in response to your comment, I don't disregard FFXIV lore. I love the lore, but I thought it would be fun to explore the RP aspects as a Character from a different World. Kinda of like Tidus in Final Fantasy X. Mysteriously transported to another time or World. With similarities between the two it'd be fun to play confused yet sure he knows of this world, then be questioned at every turn. As far as what made him the class he is. FFXIV 14 makes that simple to by pass as a simple weapon of choice as opposed to a Job like in FFXI. Equip a Spear you're called a drg. As opposed to talking to your Moogle to change your job. Simply put I'm not seeking to be all powerful or important, I just chose to come from a different background with a different understanding of the world around me.... Namely clueless.

 

It is absolutely not a Disregard of Lore, more of an IC learning of it.

 

Telluride thank you for backing my claim with a credible example that it's not farfetched.

[Zedrick Pendragon]

 

 

On a side note, why must your character be from FFXI? To me, that feels like you want to disregard the FFXIV story and lore, which could possibly be what others thought as well.

 

On the other hand, SE's made it Canon in game features that stuff from other worlds just sneaks into FFXIV all the time - Shantoto's special appearances, Lightning's guest appearance week, Cloud and Squall on TT cards, The Gold Saucer (coincidence there, but a big one) and the like. If someone wants to be from another linked world, they're frankly no more guilty of busting the 4th wall and the lore than SE themselves. They might have a tough time of it, but you can't waggle a finger at them without waggling that same finger at the whole franchise. You're gonna need a bigger finger.

 

This is an excellent point. I want to make clear that while I could not do so (having never played FFXI, I imagine it'd be hard for me to have a character there), it's not an impossible situation to be in. But even in the crossovers, the game has explained that it was through extraordinary or unknown powers that allowed people outside of this realm to have crossed over into the FFXIV universe.

 

But like many of the other things RPers wave fingers at, would a person from Vana'Diel be quick to admit they are from another world? I'd rank it about as high on the "potential for people to overreact" meter as say, being a WHM in public to people who know what a WHM is and the "rules" behind it. Or a BLM publicly casting a flare in the city to proclaim he's learned the dark arts or something. For public RP, it'd likely ruffle a lot of people's feathers. I would suggest keeping such knowledge private or among a small/trusted group.

 

Eorzea is pretty open to outsiders. Now everyone needs to say where they're from, right?

 

So I totally see where this is coming from, but.... I've never explained this IC. Merely played an Amnesiac, again like Tidus does in FFX. I told the recruits via OOC chat kind of where I wanted to come from.... Apparently this is too much, but out of respect I wouldn't want to drop this bomb later, only for them to be like "Nope you can't do it." Then throw everything I RPed out the window for however long I choose to withhold that Info.

[Warren Castille]

There's absolutely zero reason why you can't be from XI, barring the expected language gap.

 

Barring that, there's nothing to keep you. Except I guess the vast difference in world expectations and ability and knowledge and mythology and world.

 

There's nothing to stop you from being from Vana'diel or Earth or Universe 616 or the DC Flashpoint World or Earth2 or Alternate US History or The Wheel of Time series or Game of Thrones or....

 

I hope that illustrates the point? If it doesn't, there's an awesome lot of XIV-specific lore that lends to storytelling. As someone who loves and adores XI, there's no reason to pick up here. It's fantastic (and my XI main is an alt of mine) but it doesn't really do for XIV.

[Dis]

As someone who plays a world traveler as their main, it's doable.  Glioca has an entire history from Eorzea before she became Glioca.  It's all lined out on her wiki.  Glioca herself plays off as having the Echo.  The body she inhabited belong to someone who died during the Calamity.  She took the body, took the memories, took the soul.  She's both people now, technically. 

 

She's told maybe three people in Eorzea who she really is and where she's really from.  She refers to far away places as that, far away.  She plays herself off as a traveler.  She's been to other places in Eorzea that others might not have seen.  She gets surprised by some things, and not by others. 

 

Example, in her backstory, she spent time in Doma.  So the Au Ra boom that is happening now?  Doesn't phase her much.  She's familiar with them, at least in a cursory fashion from being out in and around Othard for a while.

 

Point being, there are ways to explain it that don't get your idea slapped around by people who want to adhere to the lore so closely that they feel the need to avoid your character.  A lot of it is about being plausible, and finding people who don't mind that style of play, to play with.

 

_{(Minor edit, because I realized one word in a sentence sounded passive-aggressive and accusatory.)}

[Vareal]

Exactly what Warren said.:thumbsup:

[Grott]

Your character can't

 

Negative.

 

Actually let me edit this, the character can do what the writer can, not what you deem is appropriate.  It might not even be minor considering if they can write up a good story, their differing background may be more enjoyable to interact with.

 

Lol really? This is like when you ask your teacher if you can go to the bathroom in third grade and she says "DURR I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU?"

 

Replace "can't" with "shouldn't" and add in "because this is ridiculous"

 

As for the second part of this: If you rely on a universe-hopping gimmick to make your character interesting, you should try sitting down and re-evaluating what you think makes a good character. "I'm from another world" is more annoying to most RPers than it is intriguing. If I picked up a book that was based entirely on being from a different desert town than the current desert town, I'd throw it in a fire.

 

You shouldn't do this, because it is not good writing. It is a writing supplement. No one will think this is clever and fun, and most people will avoid you.

 

Save yourself the heartache. Just switch some words around. These settings are not so different that you could never recreate the magic you had in FFXI's story.

 

But yes, as was unnecessarily and ludicrously pointed out, you CAN if you want. TECHNICALLY.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

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[Zedrick Pendragon]

Your character can't

 

Negative.

 

Actually let me edit this, the character can do what the writer can, not what you deem is appropriate.  It might not even be minor considering if they can write up a good story, their differing background may be more enjoyable to interact with.

 

Lol really? This is like when you ask your teacher if you can go to the bathroom in third grade and she says "DURR I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU?"

 

Replace "can't" with "shouldn't" and add in "because this is ridiculous"

 

As for the second part of this: If you rely on a universe-hopping gimmick to make your character interesting, you should try sitting down and re-evaluating what you think makes a good character. "I'm from another world" is more annoying to most RPers than it is intriguing. If I picked up a book that was based entirely on being from a different desert town than the current desert town, I'd throw it in a fire.

 

You shouldn't do this, because it is not good writing. It is a writing supplement. No one will think this is clever and fun, and most people will avoid you.

 

Save yourself the heartache. Just switch some words around. These settings are not so different that you could never recreate the magic you had in FFXI's story.

 

But yes, as was unnecessarily and ludicrously pointed out, you CAN if you want. TECHNICALLY.

Tancred I appreciate your insight now that it's more clear, but this is still conjecture, and regulated opinion.

 

You're forcing you're close minded opinion on me and trying to pass it off as the opinion of "many other" when obviously you're opinion on this thread is solitary. I've heard the opinions of Unnamed Merc, basically stating that it's possible but ill advise due to difficulty, and those that full one support my claim. You however have merely stated "don't do it, because I don't like" clearly you are entitled to your opinion, but if you don't like it, stop reading this thread. Clearly you have nothing constructive to add.

[Zedrick Pendragon]

I guess my next question is, if I do choose to proceed with this obviously difficult RPing storyline does anyone know any Supportive fun roleplaying FC that would allow this sort of thing?

[Paradox]

My two gil.

 

 

I don't see a reason why a character can't be from the world of XI. While it's clear that only Shantotto herself in that world can consciously open dimensional doorways to alternate realities or worlds, there's plenty of room for accidentally shifting, and as we've seen, Lightning sort of coasts dimensions. When big magics go wrong, anything can happen. Hell, look at the Allagans. Nothing says an Allagan research project into tearing open new worlds couldn't have reached the world of XI. 'But Allag is dead as of five millenia ago!' I hear you say. Ah, but dimensional physics are tricky. If their method was flawed, certainly they'd pull an individual or three through by accident..but who says you'd arrive in *their* time? Maybe you'd arrive in modern Eorzea instead. Time/Space is a tricky thing, left to the imagination,which is good! Imagination is something I think many of us have forgotten is a catalyst to great creation and roleplay.

 

While I admit Tancred's reply was a bit negative in its presentation, I have to concur with one thing. Certain universes do not mesh. Middle Earth, for example, has no known method of dimensional travel and is very removed form the Final Fantasy universe. However, other final fantasy games are notorious about being 'connected' in one way or another. Gilgamesh appears in many worlds, and has spoken of traveling through the void. XIII-2 shows us a 'Void' that serves as a connector between the various Final Fantasy realities, meaning that while they are separate of one another, they can also overlap in places.

 

So if someone said they were from Middle Earth, or somewhere that doesn't have the kind of magic or technology that would allow it, yeah I'd question that right off the bat. But since Final Fantasy worlds are known to be somewhat coterminous with each other, I wouldn't see an issue of of someone's character being form any of the known Final Fantasy dimensions at all (provided they weren't playing canon characters, which is a bit in poor taste in my own opinion.) Nor would I have an issue with them being from a world where inter-dimensional travel could potentially bring them to Eorzea. The fun of this is that it means they would have to adapt to a whole new set of cultures, of viewpoints, and the fact whatever magic or object brought them to this world..would no longer likely work as it does not follow Eorzea's 'rules'. Stranger in a strange land is always fun to roleplay.

 

As to what makes an interesting character? That's easy. Whatever floats your boat within reason. If someone doesn't like someone being form another universe, time, or dimension? Well, then your choice to roleplay with someone else. I'll be over here roleplaying with the AU guy so my character can hear all the stories of his strange land, and either dismiss him as a madman, or listen with rapt attention at the idea that there's more out there. But saying someone can't be from another universe is basically the same as saying if an honest to gods extraterrestrial landed on Earth, and your consensus is 'wait, they're form another world and not earth? that's not interesting at all'. Me, I'd be asking how he built his sweet ship. But that's me.

 

Still, everyone does have their view, and differing views make the whole place good. Game on. :3

[Dravus]

My concern with threads such as this one is that people make them asking for feedback - usually knowing all too well that what they're doing is controversial - and then they seem more than willing to go ahead with it anyway even if they do receive a lot of criticism (constructive or otherwise) towards the idea in question.

 

Obviously you can do whatever you want...but surely it'd be far, far better to just create a character that fits in with the setting rather than expecting everybody your character interacts with to bend over backwards to accommodate an idea that, let's be frank: takes quite a bit of leaping to justify and make plausible?

 

There's plenty of other settings I like within the Final Fantasy universe and outside of it. I just respect FFXIV enough to not go '...well -MY- character is from Azeroth/Vanadiel'. 

 

In short? If you're going to do something highly controversial, go ahead - but please cease with branding people 'elitist' or 'mean' just because they value the setting enough to not find extreme stretches of the imagination implausible.

[Grott]

Tancred I appreciate your insight now that it's more clear, but this is still conjecture, and regulated opinion.

 

You're forcing you're close minded opinion on me and trying to pass it off as the opinion of "many other" when obviously you're opinion on this thread is solitary. I've heard the opinions of Unnamed Merc, basically stating that it's possible but ill advise due to difficulty, and those that full one support my claim. You however have merely stated "don't do it, because I don't like" clearly you are entitled to your opinion, but if you don't like it, stop reading this thread. Clearly you have nothing constructive to add.

 

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. And I'm not asking you to not do it because I don't like it. I don't care what you do. You could RP Superman and I'd give you the ol' thumbs up. To say that no one thinks it's a bad idea but me is a bit extreme though. The few people in this forum don't speak for RPers as a whole, the same way I don't.

 

You asked "Why can't my character be from FFXI?" and I responded with a fact "This is FFXIV" as well as my opinion, which you seemed to ask for from readers. Sooo is it close-minded because it disagrees with yours, or... what? I never said I wasn't open to hearing ideas. I just don't think it's a good idea. That doesn't mean I'm RP Police. Do what you want, dude.

 

I really like this forum when people don't knee-jerk into personal insults because someone disagrees with them. Calm down, everyone. There's no reason we can't disagree and still be civil.

[Paradox]

I just would recommend against universe-hopping, as it's generally frowned upon in most roleplay communities.

 

That's a pretty rampant generalization. As of this post, I'll say I've spoken to many roleplayers in the community, some who like the idea of dimension walkers, others who don't. This makes it sound as if you're speaking for those communities, which is a bit of a dangerous stance to take. Perhaps it may have been frowned on in most communities you have known, but that doesn't make it 'most communities'. Having come from many where it was not only accepted, but enjoyed, I must respectfully disagree.

 

 

 

 

It isn't difficult to use the same imagination you used to create this world-jump to just alter your character a bit to fit into the setting, and most people would prefer that.

 

Again, a very sweeping generalization. Who are these 'most people' you speak for, precisely? Also, for those who have become very attached to a long term character, just altering them is out of the question for some who prefer what they have. They've already put imagination into their creation many times over.

 

 

Excuse me for using blunt humor to get to a point. But really, if we can all be from whatever world we want in any game, why even have lore? Or a setting? Why don't we just Super Smash Bros every fantasy world into one?

 

We have precedence for dimension-travel in game events, in the story, and across all the Final Fantasy universe. As I stated above, sure, I'd facepalm at someone who wanted to come from the Shire, but if they wanted to be from Vana'diel or a final fantasy based universe, there'd be nothing wrong with it in my humble opinion. Also, is the question 'why have a lore or a setting' even a serious question? Nowhere in the lore does it specifically say what is suggested is impossible. Equally, 'why have a setting' is like asking 'we have an America, why have a Europe?' Because it exists. Eorzea, Hydealyn, is there. So why not move from one setting to another? Having a setting does not devalue coming to one setting from another, anymore than having your own country devalues going to visit another.  Are the physics of traveling worlds different than hopping a train or plane? Sure. But the principle is the same. As to 'why have a lore'? Well, each world has its own culture and peoples. That does not mean not being initially part of those peoples or cultures devalues having a character.

 

 

 

And if you're thinking "well it's only a few people" my question is, "who gets to decide how many people from other universes is too many?"

 

The answer to that is the roleplayers themselves. 'How many people'? The community isn't some gang or government that collectively decides what's allowed and what isn't. It's a group of individuals who can choose to allow what they want in their roleplay and the stories they build with others. No one gets to decide how many people form other universes is too many. No one has that right to arbitrarily decide that. If someone doesn't think the lore allows for it by their interpretation of how it's presented, then they have the right to not accept the person is from where they're from. But even then, this does not exclude Rp with them either. Perhaps they would be seen as mad. Or maybe dropped on their head a few too many times. Or perhaps they had vivid dreams about this 'other world' they speak of. Integrating someone's story in that manner, does not mean your character has to accept it at all. Good roleplay comes form introducing a little grey into your black and white rather than dismissing something outright. If someone doesn't like their explanation, have your character interpret it a different way. It may even make for interesting roleplay.

[Warren Castille]

Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

 

If you can rationalize being a stranger in a strange land with no history, no backstory, and no attachment to the XIV story then nothing is stopping you.

 

THESE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T IGNORE THOUGH. Galka are NOT Roegadyan, and Vana'diel is NOT Eorzea.

 

There's nothing to stop you from being a legacy-character, but I would ask what purpose being one would serve? Vana'diel and its history would just isolate you more from general RP.

[Shuck]

 

Tancred I appreciate your insight now that it's more clear, but this is still conjecture, and regulated opinion.

 

You're forcing you're close minded opinion on me and trying to pass it off as the opinion of "many other" when obviously you're opinion on this thread is solitary. I've heard the opinions of Unnamed Merc, basically stating that it's possible but ill advise due to difficulty, and those that full one support my claim. You however have merely stated "don't do it, because I don't like" clearly you are entitled to your opinion, but if you don't like it, stop reading this thread. Clearly you have nothing constructive to add.

 

Wait. Wait, wait, wait. I mean...opposing statements in the same post aside, how is the fact that the settings are different equate to "close minded opinion"? Dude. Ok. You like FFXI. I do too! I played it for like five years. Bahamut server, represent.

 

Vana'Diel and Eorzea aren't the same thing, and I'd be super interested to hear why it is you want a character from the former to come to the latter. What's the point? Why do it?

 

Here's something constructive. I don't know if you'll actually take it as such, but here it is anyway:

 

Shoehorning goofy things into a plotline just jars your reader. How many longtime Star Wars fans are really stoked about midichlorians? How many Star Trek fans just love Q? If Gandalf showed up in a Jurassic Park movie, would you applaud the character's presence?

 

How much do you like "slash" fanfiction, in which Harry Potter becomes a vampire and bones the brains out of Hello Kitty? What you're proposing is pretty similar. Not in content, but in execution. This bandying about if "oh, but it's difficult!" is a soft-sell on "don't do it, it's stupid."

 

I think you can handle being told "don't do it, it's stupid." I think you're grown up enough to not need me, or Tancred, or anyone else coddle you on the matter of makebelieve.

 

 

 

I guess my next question is, if I do choose to proceed with this obviously difficult RPing storyline does anyone know any Supportive fun roleplaying FC that would allow this sort of thing?

 

Here's another interesting thing. You know...let's say if I calculated the trajectory of a projectile wrong? I wouldn't go and find a support group that'd pat my back, and say "Don't worry about them! You didn't do anything wrong! It was the fault of physics for not obeying you! You're a shining star, and could not possibly have to re-evaluate what it was you were doing!"

 

I wouldn't do this, because then I would never learn anything. At all. Ever. Do you see the parallel?

 

 

My concern with threads such as this one is that people make them asking for feedback - usually knowing all too well that what they're doing is controversial - and then they seem more than willing to go ahead with it anyway even if they do receive a lot of criticism (constructive or otherwise) towards the idea in question.

 

 

That's because there is no real search for feedback beyond "It's great, you're great, let's all just tell eachother we're great." The forum has no idea what constructive criticism actually is, because it's mandated we all pretend to love eachother like precious little harmonious angels we are, and in that mandate is a firm belief that all ideas are good.

 

Even though no, they aren't.

 

This one, guy? This one is a bad idea. Keep your writing and your characters simple.

[C'kayah Polaali]

Clearly you can do whatever you choose. We have, among us on RPC, people who play escaped Garlean experiments, artificial primals, bionic men, voidtouched aether vampires, demi-deities, and white mages. If they can do that, then surely you can be from FFXI.

 

You may have (as you've seen) trouble finding people willing to RP with you on that basis, but you can do what you choose.

 

The problems you're running into, however, are one of the big reasons why most of us play characters that are fairly ordinary to - and integrated into - Eorzea.

 

But at the end of the day, you can do what you choose.

[Shuck]

Clearly you can do whatever you choose. We have, among us on RPC, people who play escaped Garlean experiments, artificial primals, bionic men, voidtouched aether vampires, demi-deities, and white mages. If they can do that, then surely you can be from FFXI.

 

You may have (as you've seen) trouble finding people willing to RP with you on that basis, but you can do what you choose.

 

The problems you're running into, however, are one of the big reasons why most of us play characters that are fairly ordinary to - and integrated into - Eorzea.

 

But at the end of the day, you can do what you choose.

 

Here's a question: Who honestly believes that the words of some stranger on the internet really prohibit someone from doing whatever they choose to do? Is this honestly something that needs to be reinforced over and over again?

[Zedrick Pendragon]

My concern with threads such as this one is that people make them asking for feedback - usually knowing all too well that what they're doing is controversial - and then they seem more than willing to go ahead with it anyway even if they do receive a lot of criticism (constructive or otherwise) towards the idea in question.

 

Obviously you can do whatever you want...but surely it'd be far, far better to just create a character that fits in with the setting rather than expecting everybody your character interacts with to bend over backwards to accommodate an idea that, let's be frank: takes quite a bit of leaping to justify and make plausible?

 

There's plenty of other settings I like within the Final Fantasy universe and outside of it. I just respect FFXIV enough to not go '...well -MY- character is from Azeroth/Vanadiel'. 

 

In short? If you're going to do something highly controversial, go ahead - but please cease with branding people 'elitist' or 'mean' just because they value the setting enough to not find extreme stretches of the imagination implausible.

I never called anyone elitist or mean. Close minded but I've welcomed every single opinion. Even if it didn't agree with my own. I have been civil and read everyone ones Opinion, and didn't like Tancred's first post because it was short, and didn't offer insight his second was an opinion on not liking "from another world" aspect. He didn't come at me with credible difficulties, or supportive fact based reasoning as to why it's an ill advised recommendation. It was simply "I just don't like it. So it's ridiculous." His Superman comment is merely a backpedaling statement. Cause clearly if I got the " ol' thumbs up" as you claim Tancred we wouldn't need a debate on right or wrong good idea or bad. I'd simply be.... "Right on go for it."