Supergirl pilot wasn't awful

[V'aleera]

It wasn't great either. Tons of exposition and a lot of really hamfisted feminist messages. I'm all for sending strong messages in media, but this was done with the subtlety of a brick to the face.

 

On the bright side, the show has a solid cast and a decent premise to move forward with. If I still judged a series based on its first episodes rather than its first season I'd be pessimistic, but Agents of SHIELD taught me not to do that anymore.

[Lydia Lightfoot]

Hamfisted feminist messages. Supergirl. Character in-series is 24 years old according to IMDB.

 

Cough.

[Branson Thorne]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored. So thanks for the headsup!:thumbsup:

[V'aleera]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

[Volk]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Heeh. I had a marketing professor in college that said once that ppl who say that persuasion through media holds no power over them are typically the ones who are persuaded the most because they feel that the choices they have been subtly guided to are their own :evil:

[-no longer matters-]

The problem with it was they tried to cram sooooooo much into 48 minutes.

 

Now the bright side to that, that's a lot of crap we don't have to deal with going forward.

 

 

Also I still think Agents of Shield is horrible.... I have no idea why I still watch it.. I guess I keep hoping it will stop being horrible and Chloe Bennet will learn how to act or show some range or leave.. 

 

and when Fitz and Simmons die horrible deaths I want to make sure I don't miss it I guess...

[Dat Oni]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Could've sworn he had a block button and the ability to just not visit websites or peruse comment sections/threads that offend him, but no, you're right.

 

Using the internet automatically contradicts that statement.

[ProvaDiServo]

The problem with it was they tried to cram sooooooo much into 48 minutes.

 

Now the bright side to that, that's a lot of crap we don't have to deal with going forward.

 

 

Also I still think Agents of Shield is horrible.... I have no idea why I still watch it.. I guess I keep hoping it will stop being horrible and Chloe Bennet will learn how to act or show some range or leave.. 

 

and when Fitz and Simmons die horrible deaths I want to make sure I don't miss it I guess...

Definitely would watch Agents over supergirl.

 

Seriously aint anything better than that right now.

[Branson Thorne]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Could've sworn he had a block button and the ability to just not visit websites or peruse comment sections/threads that offend him, but no, you're right.

 

Using the internet automatically contradicts that statement.

I know right, I'm just another sheeple:(

[-no longer matters-]

The problem with it was they tried to cram sooooooo much into 48 minutes.

 

Now the bright side to that, that's a lot of crap we don't have to deal with going forward.

 

 

Also I still think Agents of Shield is horrible.... I have no idea why I still watch it.. I guess I keep hoping it will stop being horrible and Chloe Bennet will learn how to act or show some range or leave.. 

 

and when Fitz and Simmons die horrible deaths I want to make sure I don't miss it I guess...

Definitely would watch Agents over supergirl.

 

Seriously aint anything better than that right now.

We'll have to agree to disagree there.

[Branson Thorne]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Heeh. I had a marketing professor in college that said once that ppl who say that persuasion through media holds no power over them are typically the ones who are persuaded the most because they feel that the choices they have been subtly guided to are their own :evil:

 

Straight white American gun loving Republican who will vote for Donald Trump.

 

How else may I prove you wrong today?

 

EDIT: Back on topic, not really a fan of super hero movies or TV shows so don't really have an opinion with the agents/supergirl argument.

 

My scope on super heroes as only as wide as Iron Man.

[V'aleera]

Could've sworn he had a block button and the ability to just not visit websites or peruse comment sections/threads that offend him, but no, you're right.

 

Using the internet automatically contradicts that statement.

 

I'm just saying, if you view any media anywhere (including the internet) you are receiving a message that has likely been influenced (if not created) by private, often commercial, interests.

 

The problem with it was they tried to cram sooooooo much into 48 minutes.

 

Now the bright side to that, that's a lot of crap we don't have to deal with going forward.

 

These are my thoughts exactly. Pilots inevitably come with a whole host of issues related to starting an entirely new series.

 

As far as other shows are concerned, I'd have to say Flash is my current favorite. Daredevil was really good too though, and I'm really looking forward to Jessica Jones.

[Val]

tbh almost all of the hero-based shows going on right now are terrible.

[Branson Thorne]

I need to change what I previously said, I've watches Arrow as well, thought it was pretty good but eventually got bored. I have thought about watching Flash because isn't that the same boy that was in Arrow?

[Volk]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Heeh. I had a marketing professor in college that said once that ppl who say that persuasion through media holds no power over them are typically the ones who are persuaded the most because they feel that the choices they have been subtly guided to are their own :evil:

 

Straight white American gun loving Republican who will vote for Donald Trump.

 

How else may I prove you wrong today?

 

[...]

 

 

Did not mean to offend. Like I said, it was what a professor in college lectured on once - not an opinion i conjured up myself just to contradict you. Still, I'm not certain how claiming any of those things can be used as empirical evidence that you are impervious to media suggestion.

[Dat Oni]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Heeh. I had a marketing professor in college that said once that ppl who say that persuasion through media holds no power over them are typically the ones who are persuaded the most because they feel that the choices they have been subtly guided to are their own :evil:

 

Straight white American gun loving Republican who will vote for Donald Trump.

 

How else may I prove you wrong today?

 

[...]

 

 

Did not mean to offend. Like I said, it was what a professor in college lectured on once - not an opinion i conjured up myself just to contradict you. Still, I'm not certain how claiming any of those things can be used as empirical evidence that you are impervious to media suggestion.

 

Every media site, show, etc. is saying NOT to vote for Trump.

[Branson Thorne]

Anything that trys to send me a strong message thru any kind of media gets ignored.

 

The fact that you are on the internet contradicts this.

 

Heeh. I had a marketing professor in college that said once that ppl who say that persuasion through media holds no power over them are typically the ones who are persuaded the most because they feel that the choices they have been subtly guided to are their own :evil:

 

Straight white American gun loving Republican who will vote for Donald Trump.

 

How else may I prove you wrong today?

 

[...]

 

 

Did not mean to offend. Like I said, it was what a professor in college lectured on once - not an opinion i conjured up myself just to contradict you. Still, I'm not certain how claiming any of those things can be used as empirical evidence that you are impervious to media suggestion.

It was a jok, I was not offended in any way:)

And for instance, because everyone is all "ohhhhh guns are bad" owning a gun would prove that media does not have a hold of me. But everything was meant in joking

[Val]

I need to change what I previously said, I've watches Arrow as well, thought it was pretty good but eventually got bored. I have thought about watching Flash because isn't that the same boy that was in Arrow?

 

I watched Arrow for the first season. After the second I decided I was done with it. It had promise but, to me, it just got very campy and very awful very quickly. Flash seemed to be exactly the same way, and I haven't seen anything out of it to tell me otherwise.

[V'aleera]

I watched Arrow for the first season. After the second I decided I was done with it. It had promise but, to me, it just got very campy and very awful very quickly. Flash seemed to be exactly the same way, and I haven't seen anything out of it to tell me otherwise.

 

If camp is the issue, you might enjoy Marvel's Netflix series (Daredevil and the upcoming Jessica Jones). They're a lot more grounded in nature and a bit grittier in presentation.

 

Also I'd prefer to have this discussion about awful media personalities with awful overcombs moved elsewhere.

[Val]

I watched Arrow for the first season. After the second I decided I was done with it. It had promise but, to me, it just got very campy and very awful very quickly. Flash seemed to be exactly the same way, and I haven't seen anything out of it to tell me otherwise.

 

If camp is the issue, you might enjoy Marvel's Netflix series (Daredevil and the upcoming Jessica Jones). They're a lot more grounded in nature and a bit grittier in presentation.

 

Also I'd prefer to have this discussion about awful media personalities with awful overcombs moved elsewhere.

 

Yeah, I actually watched Daredevil and loved it. I'm looking forward to Jessica Jones =)

 

I have to admit that campy stuff just isn't for me unless it's some sort of B or C-movie. Then I at least go into it expecting it, you know?

[K'hatos]

If Super Boy became Superman, how come Super Girl never became Superwoman?  That always bothered me.

[Faye]

Darn feminazis ruining everything with equality and stuff.

[V'aleera]

Darn feminazis ruining everything with equality and stuff.

 

I'm all for feminism and all for equality, but this pilot got kind of ridiculous with it. It was a constant stream of on the nose "I'm so glad there's a female super hero/what you don't think she do it because she's a GIRL?!!". Even the villain had an over-dramatic line like "On my planet women BOW before men!"

 

It was almost as bad as the Buffy season 6 episode where she beat a villain by crushing the two magical orbs he held in a leather sack at the front of his waist.

 

Getting beyond that though, it's got a very robust female cast, decent writing, and special effects on par with its peers in the genre. The lead actress in particular really nails the character and is one of my top reasons to be optimistic about the show.

[Oli!]

If Super Boy became Superman, how come Super Girl never became Superwoman?  That always bothered me.

 

It's every girl's dream not to age.

 

Or something.

[Sylentmana]

If Super Boy became Superman, how come Super Girl never became Superwoman?  That always bothered me.

 

Super Boy never became Superman. He's an entirely different character who is as angsty as he is irrelevant.