Is it really impossible to RP if I want my character to become a White Mage?

[Larson]

That's not true, though.

 

 

In order to save Eorzea, we must avail ourselves of greater power─-we must avail ourselves of the garb of succor, the legendary artifacts worn by the white mages of old. Ancient chronicles hold that the garb is imbued with the light of succor, and is bestowed only upon those deemed true servants of the forest. The garb comprises five artifacts, each of which heightens the wearer's affinity with the elementals. There exist accounts of white mages who successfully entreated elementals to render their essence unto the garb as a show of ultimate favor.

 

 

The game says it has happened. Now, you can wave hands at 1.0 lore and dismiss it, or you can ignore that we haven't met any of these folks in the wild, but there's a method right there: Do awesome things the Elementals like, receive special powers.

 

That doesn't disprove anything I said. It says "White Mages" implying they were already White Mages. Those vestments are also imbued with the light of Succor but it does not specify that wearing the garments enables the use of it. It also says "true servants of the forest". As far as we know, the Padjal ARE the true servants of the forest as decided by the Elementals directly. The WoL is the hero of the world and is an exception to all rules.

It also specifies that this Garb of Succor is not widely in use. It is ancient artifacts that enhance White Magic when worn by a White Mage. If you do not have the ability to utilize Succor, it is not quite as useful. It does not make you a White Mage by wearing them. even if you are a White Mage, it doesn't mean you have the garments. They only gave them to the WoL because hero.

[Warren Castille]

That's not true, though.

 

 

In order to save Eorzea, we must avail ourselves of greater power─-we must avail ourselves of the garb of succor, the legendary artifacts worn by the white mages of old. Ancient chronicles hold that the garb is imbued with the light of succor, and is bestowed only upon those deemed true servants of the forest. The garb comprises five artifacts, each of which heightens the wearer's affinity with the elementals. There exist accounts of white mages who successfully entreated elementals to render their essence unto the garb as a show of ultimate favor.

 

 

The game says it has happened. Now, you can wave hands at 1.0 lore and dismiss it, or you can ignore that we haven't met any of these folks in the wild, but there's a method right there: Do awesome things the Elementals like, receive special powers.

 

That doesn't disprove anything I said. It says "White Mages" implying they were already White Mages. Those vestments are also imbued with the light of Succor but it does not specify that wearing the garments enables the use of it. It also says "true servants of the forest". As far as we know, the Padjal ARE the true servants of the forest as decided by the Elementals directly. The WoL is the hero of the world and is an exception to all rules.

It also specifies that this Garb of Succor is not widely in use. It is ancient artifacts that enhance White Magic when worn by a White Mage. If you do not have the ability to utilize Succor, it is not quite as useful. It does not make you a White Mage by wearing them. even if you are a White Mage, it doesn't mean you have the garments. They only gave them to the WoL because hero.

 

Even that's available for interpretation, though. Who actually crowns someone a white mage? They had to come from somewhere, and it was most likely the elementals. There's no White Mage Academy you have to graduate from. I interpret (maybe incorrectly!) that the last sentence implies white mages were created by Elementals granting them that "ultimate favor" in the form of imbued clothing.

 

By being permitted that favor, it could have made someone a White Mage. Or, it could have been an existing White Mage making more magic undies. Or it could have been some other thing. There's room to play in besides "nefarious means" so it's not unreasonable to use that as a background. Hell, even the WHM lore states that only the WoL has been granted that power, but the source could be biased. Not all padjals have to know about everything the Elementals are up to, you know? If someone made some great sacrifice for the Twelveswood before the WoL ever turned up, and this person was found Worthy and just... never turned up to hang out in Gridania? Sure, let's go with it.

 

I suppose I just mean I'm open to the idea as long as it's something beyond "WoL plus me too."

[Yssen]

So basically what I said. Be a white mage if you want, and just be vague on how.

 

"Something something elementals."

 

Not everything needs to be cut and dry. I've found the community does a good job of handling ambiguity.

 

And hide it. Keep it secret, keep it safe. Either because you got it nefariously, or you will have crazy power mad other mages trying to hunt you down and dissect you to figure out how. Or don't, good plot comes from that too. Yar.

[Larson]

That's not true, though.

 

 

In order to save Eorzea, we must avail ourselves of greater power─-we must avail ourselves of the garb of succor, the legendary artifacts worn by the white mages of old. Ancient chronicles hold that the garb is imbued with the light of succor, and is bestowed only upon those deemed true servants of the forest. The garb comprises five artifacts, each of which heightens the wearer's affinity with the elementals. There exist accounts of white mages who successfully entreated elementals to render their essence unto the garb as a show of ultimate favor.

 

 

The game says it has happened. Now, you can wave hands at 1.0 lore and dismiss it, or you can ignore that we haven't met any of these folks in the wild, but there's a method right there: Do awesome things the Elementals like, receive special powers.

 

That doesn't disprove anything I said. It says "White Mages" implying they were already White Mages. Those vestments are also imbued with the light of Succor but it does not specify that wearing the garments enables the use of it. It also says "true servants of the forest". As far as we know, the Padjal ARE the true servants of the forest as decided by the Elementals directly. The WoL is the hero of the world and is an exception to all rules.

It also specifies that this Garb of Succor is not widely in use. It is ancient artifacts that enhance White Magic when worn by a White Mage. If you do not have the ability to utilize Succor, it is not quite as useful. It does not make you a White Mage by wearing them. even if you are a White Mage, it doesn't mean you have the garments. They only gave them to the WoL because hero.

 

Even that's available for interpretation, though. Who actually crowns someone a white mage? They had to come from somewhere, and it was most likely the elementals. There's no White Mage Academy you have to graduate from. I interpret (maybe incorrectly!) that the last sentence implies white mages were created by Elementals granting them that "ultimate favor" in the form of imbued clothing.

 

By being permitted that favor, it could have made someone a White Mage. Or, it could have been an existing White Mage making more magic undies. Or it could have been some other thing. There's room to play in besides "nefarious means" so it's not unreasonable to use that as a background. Hell, even the WHM lore states that only the WoL has been granted that power, but the source could be biased. Not all padjals have to know about everything the Elementals are up to, you know? If someone made some great sacrifice for the Twelveswood before the WoL ever turned up, and this person was found Worthy and just... never turned up to hang out in Gridania? Sure, let's go with it.

 

I suppose I just mean I'm open to the idea as long as it's something beyond "WoL plus me too."

Except the Padjal would know. It's Kan E Senna's job to know.

 

You may also want to take into account that the WoL does not even receive the special garments until he/she has proven to be a paragon of White Mages and has shown to live by the tenets of White Mage law. The Warrior of Light proved his worth, and was allowed to don the garb for the impending fight. Theyre may be more than the one outfit in the world, but so far only a proven loyal White Mage has been granted use of it.

[Warren Castille]

Except the Padjal would know. It's Kan E Senna's job to know.

 

You may also want to take into account that the WoL does not even receive the special garments until he/she has proven to be a paragon of White Mages and has shown to live by the tenets of White Mage law. The Warrior of Light proved his worth, and was allowed to don the garb for the impending fight. Theyre may be more than the one outfit in the world, but so far only a proven loyal White Mage has been granted use of it.

 

Job to know =/= omniscient woodland powers

 

For the record, I sort of agree with you. I'm just saying there's wiggle room if people want to go that route.

[Lydia Lightfoot]

Rekt.

 

Honestly you'd have to be a complete idiot to take game mechanics as lore. Our characters all have barbie groins under their underclothes. No organs to be seen. But you don't acknowledge that. It just isnt necessary to have them as visuals. By that same logic, the only possible attacks and magic are the ones defined by the class and job skills. That just isn't an accurate worldview.

 

I expected that Sounsyy would have something to say in response to me, because if anyone's going to have tiny lore tidbits that I wouldn't have seen, it'd be Sounsyy. You, on the other hand, have posted nothing at all to refute anything I said, and have no reason to gloat other than to be mean to another player - when Sounsyy replied to your own comments earlier with a string of lore quotes, you didn't post "Rekt" towards yourself. 

 

Good show passively implying that I'm "a complete idiot", too. I'm disappointed that you resorted to this sort of petty behavior. 

 

Bowing out of the thread at this point. When a forum thread devolves into insult-flinging, measured discussion rarely returns to it.

[Nero]

I think OP's question has been sufficiently answered, so this thread will be locked. Further discussion may be continued in PMs, off site, or in another thread.