discussion Language barriers and rp

[Kilieit]

"The common tongue of the Hyur", as described by an Eorzean scholar writing an encyclopaedia about Eorzea.

[Teadrinker]

Xaelans are the only ones afaik. A lot of people headcanoned Doma as well but the Lorebook took that out behind the shed.

 

The lore book did no such thing. "Speak the common tongue of the [Eorzean] Hyur" and "have their own local ancestral language" are not mutually exclusive concepts. "Its culture developed for thousands of years with no influence from the West" and "they spoke the same language all along" are.

 

General plea: Please stop spreading this quote out of context. It's disingenuous.

 

 

This is pretty rude. It's pretty hard to spread the quote out of context when...that IS the context.

 

I think you're arguing semantics. I think you're splitting hairs. I think the Domans quite certainly have their own unique dialect and at one point in the distant past perhaps a language but it's not anything in use today as per the book.

 

That sentence quite literally means "The Eorzeans and the Domans speak the same language." Additionally, just about everyone I've met that has read that passage took it to mean this.

 

That being said, please feel free to RP what you wish as per your enjoyment and your discretion.

[Kilieit]

20 years ago, which is when Doma made contact with the West for the first time in 2000+ years (due to the recent invention of airships), is not the "distant past".

 

The lore book is a complete document. Information about each part of the world this game takes place in is spread out across its pages. You cannot take one quote from one page and assume that is the end of matters - you must take into account other passages from other pages in the book, as well as other parts of the setting as portrayed in the game and in interview.

 

People read it that way because they aren't aware of the additional information which sheds another light on the situation, and it's frustrating to hear that perception repeatedly touted as fact when it's an interpretation. One of many, and one based on incomplete information.

[ExAtomos]

Has anyone posted to the OF asking the Lore team to clarify?

 

On topic, I have a Xaela who does not really speak Eorzean. I think about any possible weirdnesses in English, grammar and vocab wise (and damn we have a lot) that could potentially trip up someone who is just learning the language. I've used the heck outta "" also. I /try/ to keep it simple, but I'm sure it annoys some folks. It actually led to a bit of character development for me when it occurred to me that Chanar probably was resistant to learning the local language since he didn't want to be there.

[Jana]

NPCs without the Echo can communicate with even Allagans just fine in the CT storyline and no one's ever had trouble understanding ancient voidsent in both that story and the current Mhach (a Lalafell civ) one. Eorzean Common seems to be much older and not limited to Hyur by what we see in-game.

[Chidori]

I have a character that does. Since that was going to be one of her hooks for RP, someone teaching her to speak better. However, people tend to just let Chi be Chi.

 

Lore book somewhat debunks how I have her speak, but she isn't from Doma. Rather a small village (NPC) out in Orthard. So story for her, it is very possible that prehaps any/all speak common tongue except for maybe traders. After she left the village, she lived outside Doma, which she did learn a good bit. She just talks a bit different and short still. She is my more "cutesy" and social character so she even throws out some foreign words from time to time and may not always understand what is being said. It has lead to some entertaining RP early on One of my old FC mates would teach her "bad" words.

 

But since I feel like it is somewhat frowned upon overall, I do tone her down a notch or two in a public setting. I even thought about changing her pattern, but it feels awkward. So it is going to have to be a change overtime as she learns.

 

Long story short, you do you. You are going to find people who will be okay with it and you will find people not.