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HM fight griefing on Balmung!

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Fates Skein

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Session Zero:

 

What they're doing is putting together a PUG to do Hard Mode Titan, then deliberately dying by jumping off the platform.  Once dead, they are selling their place in the group for up to 200k gil to people so that another person can join the group (which is being held hostage because they can't go on as a 3 man) and be 'carried'.  That's as I understand it, anyway.

 

I have a friend that plays on Ultros and a lot of the endgame guilds there are PISSED about this.  I haven't heard anything solid about the guilds on Balmung doing it.

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K'dath

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I actually did see someone earlier selling HM Titan runs for 200kg. I just blocked them like it was gil seller spam. Ain't nobody got time for that. 

 

Selling carries itself isn't abnormal behavior though. Really, many major raiding guilds do it on some level. Exchanging goods for services rendered is a completely legitimate method of acquiring wealth.

 

The amount changing hands here though is excessive and mingles with the realm of RMT. Even if it's not harassment it IS disrupting the economy. And you can bet that'll get them shut down, probably even sooner.

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SessionZero

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Session Zero:

 

What they're doing is putting together a PUG to do Hard Mode Titan, then deliberately dying by jumping off the platform.  Once dead, they are selling their place in the group for up to 200k gil to people so that another person can join the group (which is being held hostage because they can't go on as a 3 man) and be 'carried'.  That's as I understand it, anyway.

 

I have a friend that plays on Ultros and a lot of the endgame guilds there are PISSED about this.  I haven't heard anything solid about the guilds on Balmung doing it.

 

So... people pay because it's other high-level players that can aid them in beating the primal? Like paying for the spot means they can get past the fight easier? I guess I don't understand why someone would pay 200k gil for a spot in a party unless they got some extreme benefit from it, and the only benefit I can think of is being helped by elite players.

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K'dath

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So... people pay because it's other high-level players that can aid them in beating the primal? Like paying for the spot means they can get past the fight easier? I guess I don't understand why someone would pay 200k gil for a spot in a party unless they got some extreme benefit from it, and the only benefit I can think of is being helped by elite players.

 

They get bragging rights  "Look at me I finished titan on Hardmode!"

They get the better quality gear

They get through it without having to study the fight, know, or actually do anything because the other players are good/over geared enough that they make up for the 'missing' person

 

In one light, It's for people who don't actually want to play the game, which is mind boggling. In the other, it's for people who are screwed by the 'only accepting people with experience/X level gear' requirements of everyone else.

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LiadansWhisper

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Session Zero:

 

What they're doing is putting together a PUG to do Hard Mode Titan, then deliberately dying by jumping off the platform.  Once dead, they are selling their place in the group for up to 200k gil to people so that another person can join the group (which is being held hostage because they can't go on as a 3 man) and be 'carried'.  That's as I understand it, anyway.

 

I have a friend that plays on Ultros and a lot of the endgame guilds there are PISSED about this.  I haven't heard anything solid about the guilds on Balmung doing it.

 

So... people pay because it's other high-level players that can aid them in beating the primal? Like paying for the spot means they can get past the fight easier? I guess I don't understand why someone would pay 200k gil for a spot in a party unless they got some extreme benefit from it, and the only benefit I can think of is being helped by elite players.

 

You have to defeat Titan HM to get your Relic weapon.  You also have to defeat him to gain access to Coil of Bahamut (the raid).  So it's pretty important.

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Fates Skein

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Well, the article identified it as griefing so I really hope all these asshats get banned.  I -despise- crap like this because it destroys so many aspects of the game- it increases gil-buying, it destroys the marketplace, and it makes it harder for casual players to -ever- get into end game stuff (and it's hard enough for casuals to get in with all the crazy 'you must be geared' nonsense).

 

I hope they're made an example of.

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LiadansWhisper

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It might be a good idea for SE to do something about this as it might increase gil buying.

 

Maybe, maybe not.  The issue is whether or not they're sabotaging other groups' attempts, not whether they're selling runs.  My own guild in WoW sells full hardmode clears with titles and loot to people once our own progression is done with.  It's an extremely common practice in WoW and has nothing to do with gold sellers.

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Trigonxv

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Well  I am trying to create a counter measure for all this at least in balmung if there be endgame geared players who wish to help other players in their endgame progression drop by the linkshell I recently created Knightsof unity no members yet but hope to fill the ranks with like minded individuals

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Havoc Snow

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SE has two stances on the issue that I've seen so far. Regarding the sabotages the consider it as a form of harassment, so taking part in this kind of behavior will likely lead to a ban. Regarding the actual selling of runs, they have stated it is not against the TOS and it is entirely up to the players if they want to spend the gil to get carried, however that being said there has been at least one instance where someone bought gil through RMT and used said gil to pay for a Titan kill, both the person buying the gil and the person he used the gil to pay ended up banned so it's sort of do at your own risk kind of thing.

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LandStander

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This is my first time hearing about this. I personally am not far enough to participate in things like this because crafting is so damn addicting, but my FC usually runs it with FC members or LS members. I suggest that to avoid events like this you all might want to do the same. I know there is a RP LS that is for dungeons called Balmung's Finest if anyone wanted to make sure to steer clear of crap like this.

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LiadansWhisper

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SE has two stances on the issue that I've seen so far. Regarding the sabotages the consider it as a form of harassment, so taking part in this kind of behavior will likely lead to a ban. Regarding the actual selling of runs, they have stated it is not against the TOS and it is entirely up to the players if they want to spend the gil to get carried, however that being said there has been at least one instance where someone bought gil through RMT and used said gil to pay for a Titan kill, both the person buying the gil and the person he used the gil to pay ended up banned so it's sort of do at your own risk kind of thing.

 

The most frustrating thing is that they're being so damn inconsistent with how they deal with griefers. A lot of people are getting responses to their tickets basically saying, "We have no rules as to whether or not someone has to actually do their job in an instance they queued into."  So it seems like people can get away with doing anything they want - or nothing at all - because Square is refusing to do anything about their behavior and won't give us a vote to kick button.

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Dravus

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I wish I was surprised that Reddit is involved.

 

To be fair, reddit is very upset about this and most people are trying really hard to get the accused moderator removed.

 

Hopefully they succeed! Especially if they present evidence.

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Ari Kagon

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I'm failing to see the problem with selling a spot in a hard Titan run.

 

I don't think there's a problem with that, either.  Apparently, though, that is not what was going on in this situation.

It's not the selling of runs that is the problem, it's sabotaging runs to force people into buying runs from the same jerk who is intentionally ruining the group. If people don't want to earn their HM kill, that is their prerogative , but to stoop this low is just sickening.

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Dravus

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I guess I am the only one who also is shocked to see runs being sold but okay @-@

 

You're not the only one! Well, I wouldn't say I'm shocked, but it's something I'm definitely against. It serves to cheapen the content in question and is partly why I'm not particularly keen on indulging in high end raiding any longer. I used to devote to it back in WoW, though the rise in the amount of players who would throw money around to get the same gear, titles and mounts that had once been largely exclusive to players who had earned them became pretty ridiculous.

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