Glamour system speculation

[Kailia]

So they mentioned barely, the vanity slot system, which they call the Glamour system. There was mention of something called Mirage Prism. So given what little information given, I suspect (And this is pure speculation here) that how it works is like this:

 

Unlock a new npc like the Aesthetician

New item slot on character sheet for vanity(glamour item)

You equip the look you want, weapon and all then speak to the new npc who saves your vanity look to a mirage prism

equip mirage prism in new vanity slot and you got your vanity system.

 

Could be an interesting system, but I suspect like the aesthetician, will come with a hefty fee. But this type of system doesn't even suggest item destruction, since mirages are illusions. What you all think?

 

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Hey all! Seeing as people were wanting the thread updated, figured I'd do an edit of the original post. New information is out! And this looks to be the actual system:

 

You right click the item you want to change and choose the new glamour option. I'm guessing like the materia system you will have to unlock it. The new glamour option opens a new window where you select what item to replace the default model with. The Prism's work like melding, a reagent used for the glamour as evident in this screenshot:

 

 

The prisms are catalysts apparently. And confirmed is the fact that you can only glamour items your job can equip. So no white mages running around in heavy iron armor lol.

[Steel Wolf]

The fact that this Glamour system sounded like it's somehow tied to crafting in some manner seems to make me think that these Prisms are craftable items.

 

Now, whether the prism is a one-off item that can have different pieces tied to it via the Aesthetician, or if Prisms are multiple items each with a unique "built in" look remains to be seen...both seem a possibility to me, really.

 

Either way, I am REALLY looking forward to knowing more.  Yes, Yoshi-P, I will Stay Tuned™

[Tla]

From what I understood it's not a slot, but rather an item fusion system. If it's like in some other games, you "sacrifice" an item to give its appearance to another. Sure if it was a slot it would be much better...but doesn't seem to be it.

[ansemaru]

Is there a source on it being an item fusion system as opposed to something else? Since this is a speculation thread, I'm taking everything with a grain of salt, but you saying that makes me wonder if there is somewhere you're getting that information from.

[Sounsyy]

As far as I am aware, no solid details were ever given about the Vanity System unless they were given in this morning's Live Letter XII? The only thing I recall them saying for certain is that players will not be able to equip items for Vanity that that class/job wouldn't be able to equip as real gear naturally. Ie. So my WAR would not be able to Vanity Battlemage Gear out of brayflox. The only other times SE mentioned Vanity was just their customary: "We are looking into implementing a Vanity-type System in Patch 2.2, please look forward to it."

 

I'm hoping Vanity items will NOT be fusion based system. It's an extremely limiting system. Especially if you want to wear rare/unique/untradable items for vanity. I'm not about to lose my Allagan tanking set just so I can wear it all the time...

[ansemaru]

I'd similarly prefer it not to be a fusion system, given the obvious sacrifices necessary. One of the great things about FFXIV is just how many sets of equipment you can have on you, and there are a lot of different ones that both look cool and fulfill roles for RPing- so something like a fixed vanity slot or other system that doesn't destroy one of the items involved would be really nice!

[Kailia]

I really really hope it is not a fusion system. Because every fusion system I know of, destroys the item you want the look of, to use its graphics on something else. So I am hoping they go with a system like what I speculated instead, which wouldn't sacrifice an item. Especially since some items are 1 time obtains like the lightning event stuff. Lot of folks would love to use some of them weapons as vanity slot items.

[FreelanceWizard]

As far as I am aware, no solid details were ever given about the Vanity System unless they were given in this morning's Live Letter XII?

 

Yeah, there was an aside on it in the Live Letter in the context of itemization in 2.2. It's now called the "Glamour system" and it's aimed for 2.2 (which will be in March); this was Answer 22.

 

I too hope it's not a fusion system, but I can see why they'd want it to be; doing so takes desirable items out of circulation and gives people reasons to run instances more, which helps reduce DF queue times. I guess if we have to deal with a fusion system, I'd like one more akin to TSW's, where you can take the reskinned item and turn it back into a weapon skin again.

 

There's a lot of possibilities for what they could do, though. They could have certain item skins be crafted, a crafted item that takes on the skin of equipment you have currently in a slot and lets you apply that in a vanity slot, etc. It'll be interesting to see what they've come up with.

[Ildur]

It's interesting to note that "Glamour" is what the imps and souls use during FATEs to look like other creatures (basically illusion magic). Except their disguise is dispelled as soon as they enter combat. I think you all can guess what I'm worried about now.

[Dakki]

It's interesting to note that "Glamour" is what the imps and souls use during FATEs to look like other creatures (basically illusion magic). Except their disguise is dispelled as soon as they enter combat. I think you all can guess what I'm worried about now.

 

That we are all, in fact, imps? :? But yes, in all seriousness, if engaging combat would cancel the effect of the vanity system I can see Square having many an angry gamer on their hands.

 

Personally, I would love to see Square Enix employ the vanity system that games such as Rift had going. By this, I mean your character effectively equips two sets; one for in-game stats, one for appearance. And, of course, you have the option to turn off the vanity set and just wear what you have equipped "for the stats". I found this system to be extremely sweet and, when compared to World of Warcrafts "I now sacrifice this piece of gear to the mighty Etherials so that it might lend it's appearance to my end-game piece (but of course, only if it's of green quality or higher)!", would be an excellent way to implement the vanity system.

[LiadansWhisper]

I found this system to be extremely sweet and, when compared to World of Warcrafts "I now sacrifice this piece of gear to the mighty Etherials so that it might lend it's appearance to my end-game piece (but of course, only if it's of green quality or higher)!", would be an excellent way to implement the vanity system.

 

That isn't how Transmog works.  You don't lose the gear - period.  You simply tell the Ethereal to replace the current model of the gear you're wearing with the model of another piece of gear you own.  The gear is not destroyed in the process.

[Rinette]

Personally, I would love to see Square Enix employ the vanity system that games such as Rift had going. By this, I mean your character effectively equips two sets; one for in-game stats, one for appearance. And, of course, you have the option to turn off the vanity set and just wear what you have equipped "for the stats". I found this system to be extremely sweet and, when compared to World of Warcrafts "I now sacrifice this piece of gear to the mighty Etherials so that it might lend it's appearance to my end-game piece (but of course, only if it's of green quality or higher)!", would be an excellent way to implement the vanity system.

 

I didn't play Rift long but it was enough to appreciate their vanity system. I really hope SE doesn't make us destroy the original piece we want for vanity. It would be a shame to have to farm up three, four, five of the same piece just to have it with sets that have small variations, that is for the pieces that you CAN farm. I'd hate to destroy something unique (AF gear) only to have it with one galmour.

 

If they decide to go the destroy route I'll be crossing my fingers that they don't allow what went on in Aion which was transferring the skin to a low level "white" armor and selling it on the market.

[LiadansWhisper]

 

 

 

I didn't play Rift long but it was enough to appreciate their vanity system. I really hope SE goes this route as opposed to World of Warcraft especially since I have a piece that I use throughout all of my vanity sets. It would be a shame to have to farm up three, four, five of the same piece just to have it with sets that have small variations, that is for the pieces that you CAN farm. I'd hate to destroy something unique (AF gear) only to have it with one galmour.

 

I honestly think this might be a deal-breaker for me.  There are a lot of things about the game right now that are bugging the shit out of me, and this would just push me over that edge.  I really hate grindfests.

[Ildur]

That isn't how Transmog works. You don't lose the gear - period. You simply tell the Ethereal to replace the current model of the gear you're wearing with the model of another piece of gear you own. The gear is not destroyed in the process.

 

While I have no knowledge of how WoW's transmog works, I know how it works in other eastern MMOs like TERA, where the gear is effectively lost forever. There's no way knowing which version Squee will use. Let's cross our collective fingers!

Still, knowing Squee's incredible fondness for arbitrary restrictions, they are probably going to make a lot of the unique clothes not glamour-able. Or they might pull the Guild Wars 2 city clothes gambit and make the system useless.

[Siha]

I found this system to be extremely sweet and, when compared to World of Warcrafts "I now sacrifice this piece of gear to the mighty Etherials so that it might lend it's appearance to my end-game piece (but of course, only if it's of green quality or higher)!", would be an excellent way to implement the vanity system.

 

That isn't how Transmog works.  You don't lose the gear - period.  You simply tell the Ethereal to replace the current model of the gear you're wearing with the model of another piece of gear you own.  The gear is not destroyed in the process.

 

I second what Liadan said above, the way that Transmog works in WoW is simply that you're using the appearance of a piece of gear on another piece of gear and it doesn't destroy the original one in the process. The only limitations were of course that the gear had to be green or higher and that it had to be the same kind such as plate could only transmog with plate, etc. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the same system on FFXIV, I liked WoW's system of transmog and the fees that you paid to perform the action weren't to bad. Not to mention you could reverse it if you changed your mind.

[Kailia]

I know a lot of people, myself included, would like to use some of the items you got from the lightning returns event, for vanity. What gladiator/paladin wouldn't want to use the gunblade for their main weapon as they level?

 

So I just pray whatever they go with, doesn't require destroying/disabling the item. Cuz that would really be sad.

[Dakki]

I was not aware what I said about the WoW system was so deeply offensive that it would invoke such furious correction, but... Okay, if that's the case, I'm sorry? :dazed:

 

Posted by K'ailia - Today 09:36 PM

I know a lot of people, myself included, would like to use some of the items you got from the lightning returns event, for vanity. What gladiator/paladin wouldn't want to use the gunblade for their main weapon as they level?

 

So I just pray whatever they go with, doesn't require destroying/disabling the item. Cuz that would really be sad.

 

Oddly enough, I actually prefer Fang's Spear. But then, Oerba Yun Fang has always been my favourite character of FFXIII. Shame she came as part of a two-pack... *Stabs Vanille*

 

 

Also, pretty much seconding everything you mentioned in this post. Though, I could see disabling of the original making sense. (Note: I did not say I want them to disable the original, but rather I could see where they would be coming from.)

[Naunet]

Well, I have what I want it to be.

 

But considering Squee's track record on implementing game systems in a way that at best feels half-assed and at worst is plagued by arbitrary restrictions that drain most of the fun out of it... Yeah, I don't have much hope. x.x

[LiadansWhisper]

I was not aware what I said about the WoW system was so deeply offensive that it would invoke such furious correction, but... Okay, if that's the case, I'm sorry? :dazed:

 

 

I wasn't offended.  You just had the wrong idea about the system.  Just because I underline or italicize something doesn't mean I'm mad.  It's just emphasis placed on words.

 

That said, I wanted to make sure people knew that wasn't the way it worked because hopefully SE will do something similar (since they seem to not want to do vanity slots?) instead of something closer to Aion or another of the asian grinders.

[LiadansWhisper]

Well, I have what I want it to be.

 

But considering Squee's track record on implementing game systems in a way that at best feels half-assed and at worst is plagued by arbitrary restrictions that drain most of the fun out of it... Yeah, I don't have much hope. x.x

 

I love the Rift wardrobe system.  D:

[U'roh Tia]

 

I second what Liadan said above, the way that Transmog works in WoW is simply that you're using the appearance of a piece of gear on another piece of gear and it doesn't destroy the original one in the process. The only limitations were of course that the gear had to be green or higher and that it had to be the same kind such as plate could only transmog with plate, etc. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the same system on FFXIV, I liked WoW's system of transmog and the fees that you paid to perform the action weren't to bad. Not to mention you could reverse it if you changed your mind.

 

I'm in Agreement to this, though I kinda hope they do it by a class system since Armor is a bit different in FFXIV. I.E PLDs an only Glamour their relics etc. It would bring a boost to us crafters and the exclusive styles we make.

[Sounsyy]

It's interesting to note that "Glamour" is what the imps and souls use during FATEs to look like other creatures (basically illusion magic). Except their disguise is dispelled as soon as they enter combat. I think you all can guess what I'm worried about now.

 

I can see this being a thing, and I honestly don't think I'd mind much? I think it'd be highly annoying if you changed gear appearance every time you entered an open world battle. God my character would be blinking all over the place doing Beasttribe Dailies... But dungeons, I definitely wouldn't mind a no-vanity policy. Or at least a toggle-able option to turn Vanity off during party/allied content.

[Tiergan]

I'll *really* be unhappy if the items get destroyed in the process of using the Glamour system due to what several people mentioned already regarding AF.

 

You can't really get multiple AF sets when it comes to the original, non-myth stuff or exclusive event-items.

[Ildur]

I would mind a lot because the point of a vanity system is to wear whatever you want while you engage in gameplay (which basically means combat). Otherwise it's pointless. Ideally, Squee would add a toggle so people who don't want to be offended by people wearing swimsuits in combat can just see the real gear (it would also come in handy for PvP, since I think it's gear based, and so people could use the vanity system to hide their 'real' gear...though if it's a transmog thing then we'll have that problem anyway).

[U'roh Tia]

I would mind a lot because the point of a vanity system is to wear whatever you want while you engage in gameplay (which basically means combat). Otherwise it's pointless. Ideally, Squee would add a toggle so people who don't want to be offended by people wearing swimsuits in combat can just see the real gear (it would also come in handy for PvP, since I think it's gear based, and so people could use the vanity system to hide their 'real' gear...though if it's a transmog thing then we'll have that problem anyway).

You can examine people in instances though, so I rarely think that would be a BIG problem.