Jana Posted October 2, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 2, 2014 I think there's a distinction to be made between RPers who are okay with ERPing, ERPers, and those just looking to cyber. But that's a discussion for another thread. Here I am, making this thread for that discussion, to avoid derailing that other discussion any further! Doctor's Note: As has been discussed, any roleplayer could fall into that trap of "taking IC interactions as OOC intentions," ERPer or not! This isn't really intended to discuss that kind of thing, since I'm making this thread to stop derailing the one that is for that talk. This is also meant to be a very general kind of grouping; I'd like to spark a discussion and would love to read any input! The first kind of ERPer is "The RPer Who is Okay With ERPing." This is someone who is an average, normal RPer who is okay with writing out an erotic scene if their character should happen to end up in such a situation. This is also someone with a thought-out character, with their own goals and personalities, maybe even their own ongoing long-term plotlines! Treat this kind of person with the same respect you'd afford to any other RPer. Chances are these kinds of roleplayers are all around you already; you just haven't RPed with them in a situation where eroticism would come up. And if you do end up in such a situation but you don't want to ERP, most of these roleplayers will be perfectly okay with a "fade to black." Anyone who is not, or who tries to pressure you into roleplay you don't want to play out, is an Abusive Jerk. Next, I'll talk about "The ERPer." This is someone who roleplays with a character, often with the purpose of getting that character laid. This is not necessarily someone who doesn't want un-erotic roleplay, but it must be understood that a big, overarching story line isn't going to be their goal. This also isn't always someone who's looking to set their character up a long-term relationship with other characters, though it can be! If you run into this kind of roleplayer and aren't interested in what they're looking for, be firm but polite! Being rude to ERPers has led to the notion of "Non-ERPers are elitist jerks," which leads to further arguing and drama between what ends up as two divided camps. Jerks exist in every kind of roleplay, not exclusively to ERP or not! Then we have "The Person Who Wants to Cyber." This kind of player will often have a character without a real, role-played personality or background; the character is an avatar for the act. The easiest way to tell between someone who wants to ERP (remember, it stands for Erotic Role Play) and someone who wants to cyber is that there isn't a distinction made between player and character for the latter. This kind of person also often uses first and second-person pronouns ("I touch your butt" as opposed to "She touches his butt"). Again, if you're not interested in what this person is looking for, be firm and polite in your refusal. Don't feel too bad if they require blacklisting, since these aren't what one would normally categorize as role players, but it often doesn't need to be your first resort. After this, there's an assortment of unruly types, like Shout Catcallers, Emote Bad Touchers, and Unsolicited Whispering Creeps. These can all be classified as Abusive Jerks, so don't hesitate to blacklist these kinds of people if they prove troublesome. They won't want to roleplay with you normally anyway! Hopefully, I didn't overlook anything obvious with these sweeping generalizations, but feel free to point out anything I have! 5 Link to comment
Delilah Scythewood Posted October 2, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 2, 2014 Think you pretty much covered everything Link to comment
Mercurias Posted October 2, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 2, 2014 First and I have to get this out. Has to be said: Bow chicka wow wow. There. It's been said. We're talking about roleplaying sexy times. If people do it? Fine. Just keep it to party and tells and don't be gross in public. Basically, the same social rules we all are supposed to obey if we ever walk away from our computers. If someone wants to creep, pressure you into ERP, or anything that makes you uncomfortable? Well guess what. Do what you'd do in reality and walk away. Invent a reason IC and be clear and firm OOC. Don't do what you aren't comfortable doing. As for other people concerning whining about people who ERP? Stop. It isn't anyone's business unless they're doing something that's a reportable offense, and if they are then I encourage you to report them. Let's all be civil, polite, and respectful grownups OOC on both sides of the debate (if one springs up, which I hope it won't). 1 Link to comment
Faye Posted October 2, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 2, 2014 You got all three types perfectly! It's annoying when anyone who's open to the idea of ERP is lumped into the cyber sex seeker category, or when any serious role-player not opposed to ERP is automatically considered nothing more than an ERPer. 1 Link to comment
Delilah Scythewood Posted October 2, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 2, 2014 If people do it? Fine. Just keep it to party and tells and don't be gross in public. Basically, the same social rules we all are supposed to obey if we ever walk away from our computers. You should have seen it the other day: A friend and I were in the Quicksand late one night and this miqo'te couple was standing a little ways behind us. But close enough, however, that our characters could hear them ICly and were also well within emote range. I didn't pay attention to their emotes at first, until I saw 'something something fucking' (I'm a pervert, sue me), and began to read what they were saying. Right there, for all to see, the guy was telling this girl that he liked the sound the bell on her collar made when he was canoodling her. So, our characters eventually tried to tell the two to take it to a room (IC of course) and the girl actually got mad. The man even tried coming over to be lewd to our characters, who only bantered back. Eventually they left but it was so utterly facepalm worthy I think I gave myself a bruise. Link to comment
Geneticdork Posted October 2, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 2, 2014 I think those three categories fit the sort of "types" of ERPers. I think ERPers (or people who ERP) tend to get a lot of hate. They're seen as dirty, or desperate, or "unable to get laid in real life, so they resort to ERP," among other negative thoughts. What I'd like to say to that, is that ERP is not necessarily bad. Sex is a natural part of life. I don't see why having sex with a partner in real life is fine, but having "fake" sex with a friend, partner, etc online is considered "bad." I also know plenty of married couples and other people in relationships who also ERP, whether with their significant other, or with someone/a friend online. I don't think people should be ashamed of RPing something like that. I'm not saying people -should- ERP. I'm just saying people shouldn't insult or look in disgust at people who do. Not wanting to ERP, or being uncomfortable with it, is perfectly alright too. And no one should ever feel forced to ERP if they don't want to. Fading to black is always an option. I've ERPed before, I enjoy it, and use it as part of my RP. I only do that though with my characters who are in an established relationship. I wouldn't do anything else, as the OP described the types above. But hey, if others enjoy going further or doing more, to each their own. As long as no one is harassing, hurting, threatening, or making someone else uncomfortable - that it's friendly, mutual, fun, and so on, then there's no harm to it. However, with that said, for people who do ERP, I highly suggest you ask your RP partner's real life age first though. Why? Because ERPing with a minor can cause some serious trouble. Just a heads up. ... I hope my points came across clearly... I'm not very clear headed when I'm about to pass out from fatigue. >.> Link to comment
Iex Posted October 2, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 2, 2014 Not to be that guy.... But is this discussion really necessary? So long as the parties involved are consenting adults and being respectful of those around them (and tack on a "is legal too"), what people do with their fifteen dollars a month is not really anyone's business. You can classify them all you want, but ... will that change anything? Folks will have hang-ups or down right despising of people who role-play intimate (or otherwise) encounters not matter what the 'conditions' of it occurring, but that is not on the community's head to try to police or educate folks on. You can tell an amazing story without once having characters be intimate and at the same time tell an amazing story and have the characters fuck every other scene. The role-play content is up to those involved and no one else. I agree there are some folks who fall into the categories mentioned and I agree if the individuals are not being respectful to those around them that is a problem, but frankly... does it serve any purpose trying to educate about or justify role-play that isn't really the business of the community at large. Link to comment
B'ren Lyrgh Posted October 2, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 2, 2014 I'll chime in and say that ERP is just fine, but I have my issues with folks that seem to make it all that they want. If the depth of a character is only as far as their dick goes into someone or how far a dick goes in them, then I think they should rethink their character. I've enjoyed making a character of mine have an open sexuality and not even try and hide it, be they flirty or making raunchy jokes or hinting they want to take a roll in the hay. BUT, and I mean a giant but, one that would put Niki Minaj to shame. That doesn't have to be all they are, a character that is nothing but their sexuality and sex is no character. Link to comment
Mr. Wolfdog Posted October 2, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 2, 2014 I generally have little interest in ERP, preferring the fade to black approach rather than anything else. But I do know plenty of friends from RPing in previous games that were open to actually playing out that part of their characters' relationships as well, and they were, quite frankly, some of the best writers with the strongest character concepts that I ran into. As has been said, for some people its just a natural evolution of their character and they were no more inclined to shy away from that than they would be from intense drama or antagonistic friction with other characters ICly if it made sense for their concept. If its all someone does.. lets be honest, I still don't care. Its not for me, I would get bored pretty quickly, but I'll treat them as any other living denizen of the world if they make an effort to put themselves out there as such. Hell, even if they become overly flirtatious with my own characters I'm still cool with it so long as they're willing to deal with the IC reactions. Just keep it IC, that's my battle cry. Link to comment
Dravus Posted October 2, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 2, 2014 I don't have an issue with ERP provided it's done tastefully, respectfully and above all else without needless drama. It's usually pretty obvious who is only in it for the sake of getting a cheap kick and who is actually doing it largely for the sake of character development. Above all else, though, I'd strongly suggest only ever doing it with role-players that you've come to know and trust. I only do it with close friends and my partner when it makes sense to do so. Such a stance has helped me avoid much of the drama that I've seen other role-players consumed by when their private fetishes ended up becoming not so private when screenshots of their ERP were released and distributed because they didn't pick their ERP partners carefully. 1 Link to comment
ArmachiA Posted October 2, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 2, 2014 Not to be that guy.... But is this discussion really necessary? So long as the parties involved are consenting adults and being respectful of those around them (and tack on a "is legal too"), what people do with their fifteen dollars a month is not really anyone's business. You can classify them all you want, but ... will that change anything? Folks will have hang-ups or down right despising of people who role-play intimate (or otherwise) encounters not matter what the 'conditions' of it occurring, but that is not on the community's head to try to police or educate folks on. You can tell an amazing story without once having characters be intimate and at the same time tell an amazing story and have the characters fuck every other scene. The role-play content is up to those involved and no one else. I agree there are some folks who fall into the categories mentioned and I agree if the individuals are not being respectful to those around them that is a problem, but frankly... does it serve any purpose trying to educate about or justify role-play that isn't really the business of the community at large. I think it has to because of things like this: I just try to blacklist ERPers because I just don't find it fun and I feel like it's a disgusting subject to bring up in games. It also makes most role players look bad to non role players because non RPers always stereotype us and assume that we ERP majority of the time. Futanari or not, ERP shouldn't even exist which is why I avoid those benches like plague. Which is a fairly ignorant statement and blankets RPers who do it. If you beleive sex serves no narrative point at all, you aren't even looking at any form of fiction over the last 10,000 years. Link to comment
B'ren Lyrgh Posted October 2, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 2, 2014 Not to be that guy.... But is this discussion really necessary? So long as the parties involved are consenting adults and being respectful of those around them (and tack on a "is legal too"), what people do with their fifteen dollars a month is not really anyone's business. You can classify them all you want, but ... will that change anything? Folks will have hang-ups or down right despising of people who role-play intimate (or otherwise) encounters not matter what the 'conditions' of it occurring, but that is not on the community's head to try to police or educate folks on. You can tell an amazing story without once having characters be intimate and at the same time tell an amazing story and have the characters fuck every other scene. The role-play content is up to those involved and no one else. I agree there are some folks who fall into the categories mentioned and I agree if the individuals are not being respectful to those around them that is a problem, but frankly... does it serve any purpose trying to educate about or justify role-play that isn't really the business of the community at large. I think it has to because of things like this: I just try to blacklist ERPers because I just don't find it fun and I feel like it's a disgusting subject to bring up in games. It also makes most role players look bad to non role players because non RPers always stereotype us and assume that we ERP majority of the time. Futanari or not, ERP shouldn't even exist which is why I avoid those benches like plague. Which is a fairly ignorant statement and blankets RPers who do it. If you beleive sex serves no narrative point at all, you aren't even looking at any form of fiction over the last 10,000 years. I felt like bolding and italicizing the second part because it seems this person has never heard of romantic novels! Or movies with raunchy scenes in them. Or even books where things get a bit ~WILD~. ERP is not a vidyagame or mmorpg only thing, it is a form of erotic writing that is taken into a different narrative. BUT IT IS STILL FINE TO NOT WANT TO SEE OTHERS DOING IT IN VASTLY PUBLIC PLACES. Link to comment
ArmachiA Posted October 2, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 2, 2014 Well, yes. It should be common sense to never do that in say (Even if you own a private house, don't do it in say, it's still against TOS guys). It's never okay to be raunchy in public. Don't do it. Link to comment
Erik Mynhier Posted October 2, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 2, 2014 I think there's a distinction to be made between RPers who are okay with ERPing, ERPers, and those just looking to cyber. But that's a discussion for another thread. Here I am, making this thread for that discussion, to avoid derailing that other discussion any further! Doctor's Note: As has been discussed, any roleplayer could fall into that trap of "taking IC interactions as OOC intentions," ERPer or not! This isn't really intended to discuss that kind of thing, since I'm making this thread to stop derailing the one that is for that talk. This is also meant to be a very general kind of grouping; I'd like to spark a discussion and would love to read any input! The first kind of ERPer is "The RPer Who is Okay With ERPing." This is someone who is an average, normal RPer who is okay with writing out an erotic scene if their character should happen to end up in such a situation. This is also someone with a thought-out character, with their own goals and personalities, maybe even their own ongoing long-term plotlines! Treat this kind of person with the same respect you'd afford to any other RPer. Chances are these kinds of roleplayers are all around you already; you just haven't RPed with them in a situation where eroticism would come up. And if you do end up in such a situation but you don't want to ERP, most of these roleplayers will be perfectly okay with a "fade to black." Anyone who is not, or who tries to pressure you into roleplay you don't want to play out, is an Abusive Jerk. Next, I'll talk about "The ERPer." This is someone who roleplays with a character, often with the purpose of getting that character laid. This is not necessarily someone who doesn't want un-erotic roleplay, but it must be understood that a big, overarching story line isn't going to be their goal. This also isn't always someone who's looking to set their character up a long-term relationship with other characters, though it can be! If you run into this kind of roleplayer and aren't interested in what they're looking for, be firm but polite! Being rude to ERPers has led to the notion of "Non-ERPers are elitist jerks," which leads to further arguing and drama between what ends up as two divided camps. Jerks exist in every kind of roleplay, not exclusively to ERP or not! Then we have "The Person Who Wants to Cyber." This kind of player will often have a character without a real, role-played personality or background; the character is an avatar for the act. The easiest way to tell between someone who wants to ERP (remember, it stands for Erotic Role Play) and someone who wants to cyber is that there isn't a distinction made between player and character for the latter. This kind of person also often uses first and second-person pronouns ("I touch your butt" as opposed to "She touches his butt"). Again, if you're not interested in what this person is looking for, be firm and polite in your refusal. Don't feel too bad if they require blacklisting, since these aren't what one would normally categorize as role players, but it often doesn't need to be your first resort. After this, there's an assortment of unruly types, like Shout Catcallers, Emote Bad Touchers, and Unsolicited Whispering Creeps. These can all be classified as Abusive Jerks, so don't hesitate to blacklist these kinds of people if they prove troublesome. They won't want to roleplay with you normally anyway! Hopefully, I didn't overlook anything obvious with these sweeping generalizations, but feel free to point out anything I have! Slap a "/thread" on it Jana. You knocked it out of the park. Link to comment
Tiergan Posted October 2, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 2, 2014 My two cents: Two consenting adults can do whatever they like in RP so long as it's private and not hurting anyone. Just like how two consenting real life adults can do whatever they like with sex so long as it's private and not hurting anyone. 3 Link to comment
Faye Posted October 2, 2014 Share #16 Posted October 2, 2014 Well, yes. It should be common sense to never do that in say (Even if you own a private house, don't do it in say, it's still against TOS guys). It's never okay to be raunchy in public. Don't do it. "Common sense." You'd be surprised... you'd be surprised. Q_Q 1 Link to comment
Erik Mynhier Posted October 2, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 2, 2014 Well, yes. It should be common sense to never do that in say (Even if you own a private house, don't do it in say, it's still against TOS guys). It's never okay to be raunchy in public. Don't do it. "Common sense." You'd be surprised... you'd be surprised. Q_Q [align=center][/align] Link to comment
Iex Posted October 2, 2014 Share #18 Posted October 2, 2014 I just try to blacklist ERPers because I just don't find it fun and I feel like it's a disgusting subject to bring up in games. It also makes most role players look bad to non role players because non RPers always stereotype us and assume that we ERP majority of the time. Futanari or not, ERP shouldn't even exist which is why I avoid those benches like plague. Which is a fairly ignorant statement and blankets RPers who do it. If you beleive sex serves no narrative point at all, you aren't even looking at any form of fiction over the last 10,000 years. Gosh I hope I quoted right.... I am in IT irl and can't use forums to save my life. Anyways, everyone has the right to their opinion. Even if you think they are wrong. The most you can do is work with the person individually to try to explain why you disagree and think they need to rethink things. Turning the matter into a 'community issue,' isn't going to solve anything, but rather alienate folks. Basically, the person you quoted has issues with intimate encounters being role-played... it is her opinion. It only affects her role-playing experience. If she does not want to Role-play with folks who do such... that is her right with the 15 dollars. The role-play content is purely catered to those involved. In reality, it doesn't matter if it is tasteful... well written... or full of drama, even if it is for a cheap kick or even for IRL self-pleasure (aka fapping). It is nobody's business except those involved. The moment the another person's role-play goes to private channels your opinion of what is happening is irrelevant to anyone but yourself. You can have it all you want, and decide how you personally will interact with the person, but you really cannot force them to share that opinion. Saying things like: "I only ERP tasteful, I only ERP when it fits the story." are your personal opinions as to when ERP is ok FOR YOU. However, you honestly do not have to justify the fact you engage in that sort of role-play. By creating this 'classification' of ERPs in reality you are just attempting to justify your own reasons for ERP, something in the end no-one has to do regardless as to what they are. (E-yep screwed up formatting.. sorry for making you undefined.) Link to comment
ArmachiA Posted October 2, 2014 Share #19 Posted October 2, 2014 ^ I don't see how that means we can't talk about the merits and flaws of sexual RP though? It's a community, for discussion. Link to comment
Iex Posted October 2, 2014 Share #20 Posted October 2, 2014 ^ I don't see how that means we can't talk about the merits and flaws of sexual RP though? It's a community, for discussion. My remarks were in reference to the original post and classification and 'quality' of the individuals who fall into those classifications, as well as the motivation/need for said post. I was not remarking toward the merits and flaws of sexual interaction in RP. That in my opinion is entirely different matter than the original post. If someone offers up personal experience that is their choice to make it public... and I guess everyone's business? My apologies if I did not make that clear. Link to comment
Aduu Avagnar Posted October 2, 2014 Share #21 Posted October 2, 2014 Everyone is entitled to their opinion correct, however, an opinion formed of ignorance holds less weight than one informed by facts. But that is not the purpose of this thread. What people do is up to them. Its their sub, their playtime and their characters. 1 Link to comment
Melodia Posted October 2, 2014 Share #22 Posted October 2, 2014 My two cents: Two consenting adults can do whatever they like in RP so long as it's private and not hurting anyone. Just like how two consenting real life adults can do whatever they like with sex so long as it's private and not hurting anyone. What people do is up to them. Its their sub, their playtime and their characters. This, in a nutshell. Thank you. Link to comment
Aldotsk Posted October 2, 2014 Share #23 Posted October 2, 2014 BUT IT IS STILL FINE TO NOT WANT TO SEE OTHERS DOING IT IN VASTLY PUBLIC PLACES. -Any- public places and -any- public chat. Just because you like it doesn't mean I should be obligated to read your stuff in details. I don't care about romantic novels, and several romantic novels do not go beyond and describe about people's sexual genitalia and elaborate enough for people to start feeling disturbed. There is a huge difference between erotic novel and erotic chat. Novel is when one can read privately and erotic chat is when someone slips it in public. If someone does it in quicksand, making out then starts touching the opposite character's genitalia then that's where I put my keyboard and blacklist you. I don't care if you like it or if you are the absolute jerk. I didn't play this game and role play to talk things erotically. It's not always the abusive jerks. Sometimes people just get too carried away and then I have to be like "please don't write those things in detail for anyone to see it." I don't even care most of ERPers who Do those because I don't actually read them. I only blacklist ones who I see in public chat and is when I say "no " to them. It's not ignorance, and I don't need to give them second chances. If you ERP in private chat, good for you because chances are that I won't even notice it until you describe it OOCly in other chat like linkshell or pm or free company chat and I'd just tell you to stop talking, or blacklist you for taking it too far. Again, if you talk to me in game and ERP is because it's likely that you haven't posted in publicly through certain chats at certain place. Most of my friends who are never roleplays end up laughing about it because of how most of these "bad" ERPers as you say. This applies to Camp Bronze Lake, Costa Del Sol or Residence Areas and your own FC houses. If you don't do it in party chat or private message, then that stuff will be annoying. Not all 7,000 players want to see anyone ERP in public /say or /emote Or /yell or /shout if you are that kind of tea person. Link to comment
Melodia Posted October 2, 2014 Share #24 Posted October 2, 2014 BUT IT IS STILL FINE TO NOT WANT TO SEE OTHERS DOING IT IN VASTLY PUBLIC PLACES. -Any- public places and -any- public chat. Point of clarification. I can understand erp posts sent via say, shout or yell, but what if we have two people in bikinis sitting on top of one another in the Quicksand or the Wench? Cant see any words, but poses change occasionally and so you know they must be doing something? Is that a sore spot as well? *Has /Never/ engaged in such activity.......>_> <_<* Link to comment
Dravus Posted October 2, 2014 Share #25 Posted October 2, 2014 I think you're preaching to the choir. There may be one or two exceptions but I'm willing to assume that the majority of role-players posting on this site are well aware of just when and where it's appropriate to indulge in ERP and when and where it isn't. If people don't adhere to that and end up being caught out then the best thing to do is either ignore it, report it or just shrug and laugh it off. 1 Link to comment
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