Dr. Jana's Field Guide to ERPers for Everyday Folks Like Yourself

[Aldotsk]

I wish I can say that, but majority of the time when people say "your character is your character", I am sure some in the community use that statement and abuse it by giving itself freedom of speech. If someone ERPs in this community (I also doubt anyone does it here) and then does it publicly, and we tell him/her to stop, chances are that the person will say "it's my character and I like what I am doing and it's a freedom of speech" No, it's not freedom of speech. This isn't America and it's final fantasy XIV where there are conservative players outside of Europe and American regions who would not like to read what you say in details.

[ArmachiA]

^ UH no. because "Freedom of speech" doesn't exist in an MMO since it's run by a private business. ERP is against TOS, most RPers are smart enough to take it to /party.

 

I know this because a lot, a lot more than will admit, ERP. THey are very discreet about it. You're assuming a lot here.

 

If someone ERPs in this community (I also doubt anyone does it here)

Oh, bubbie. I can name quite a few people on this very site who ERP.

[Aldotsk]

^ UH no. because "Freedom of speech" doesn't exist in an MMO since it's run by a private business. ERP is against TOS, most RPers are smart enough to take it to /party.

 

I know this because a lot, a lot more than will admit, ERP. THey are very discreet about it. You're assuming a lot here.

 

If someone ERPs in this community (I also doubt anyone does it here)

Oh, bubbie. I can name quite a few people on this very site who ERP.

 

Then I don't see why it's a problem about me blacklisting ERPers who don't do it discreetly. It's my choice of what I want to do

 

Also, I really don't want to know your circle of ERP community.

[ArmachiA]

No one said it was a problem. You're just painting all ERPers with a wide brush here and I'm correcting you for the sake of other people who may want to listen to the discussion, as you don't really seem to want to discuss it.

 

And I don't have a circle, I don't rp with a lot of these folks, I've just had very frank talks with a lot of them oocly and, get this, NEVER JUDGED. I know, shocking.

[Erik Mynhier]

I was going to post a video here to lighten the mood. In keeping with the topic I was going to post Monty Python's "Sit on my face, and tell me that you love me." But that may be a bit much, so we'll use this instead.

 

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[Melodia]

 

Also, I really don't want to know your circle of ERP community.

 

Ahhhh now that is not fair at all. I know and was part of ArmachiA's FC for a long time and it is very unfair to paint a broad brush like this. I don't know how many or how often folks erp'ed because folks are usually discreet but the RP I experienced from folks around ArmachiA and herself has been very typical non-sex based RP. Fighting Garleans, looking for artifacts, etc. So it's really unfair to paint it as a "circle of people" around her. ><

[Berrod Armstrong]

[Dravus]

It's fine to be against ERP. That's not an excuse to be a bit of a wanker over it though. I mean there's people out there in the role-playing community that I dislike but generally I just filter them out and if I do end up ignoring them I don't bring it up in public.

[ArmachiA]

Also, I really don't want to know your circle of ERP community.

Ahhhh now that is not fair at all. I know and was part of ArmachiA's FC for a long time and it is very unfair to paint a broad brush like this. I don't know how many or how often folks erp'ed because folks are usually discreet but the RP I experienced from folks around ArmachiA and herself has been very typical non-sex based RP. Fighting Garleans, looking for artifacts, etc. So it's really unfair to paint it as a "circle of people" around her. ><

 

I have an erp cabal. The erp illuminati if you will.

 

I defend it, therefore I am tainted.

 

(Thanks Ruru, I appreciate the support )

[Mercurias]

Also, I really don't want to know your circle of ERP community.

Ahhhh now that is not fair at all. I know and was part of ArmachiA's FC for a long time and it is very unfair to paint a broad brush like this. I don't know how many or how often folks erp'ed because folks are usually discreet but the RP I experienced from folks around ArmachiA and herself has been very typical non-sex based RP. Fighting Garleans, looking for artifacts, etc. So it's really unfair to paint it as a "circle of people" around her. ><

 

I have an erp cabal. The erp illuminati if you will.

 

I defend it, therefore I am tainted.

 

(Thanks Ruru, I appreciate the support )

 

Duderino, you can blacklist whomever you want, but let's not slander members of the forum or start making up things just because your opinion is unpopular and you neither want to defend it logically or bow out gracefully.

 

Nobody is saying you have to ERP. Nobody is saying you have to talk to people who ERP. Nobody is saying yo have to talk to anybody, really, or continue to reply here.

 

Is it crass? Sure. Some people might think it's crass to run coil in a glamour'd-on bikini and boob-physics-tank Turn 9. It happens, though. If they break the rules and ERP in public, then report them. If they're not breaking rules, then you can either let it go try to shame them in public and probably look like a pushy, intolerant jerk.

 

And to be honest, I'd rather sit down on a bench and chat for a few minutes with a charming triple-futa wearing all leather than talk about how an entire group of people are bad based on what they do with their own subscription money and friends.

 

*drops mic*

 

(And dammit ArmachiA the Cabal is a secret order! Long has the Drippy Tetrahedron been a sacred, hidden symbol for dirty typings and now you've exposed it to the world! And not even in the fun way!)

[Random Encounter]

 

Tha,t right there, more or less sums up this thread. Come guys, we all some some people do it, some don't. As long as its not all over your face, why should we care? What people do in private with their own time is their own business.

 

Lets leave it at that, shall we? This is just turning into a For vs Against argument that's been beaten to death for years and then some.

[Kage]

I think ERP has a time and a place. As with most that are on RPC and active who may or may not partake in it... I'm pretty sure most would rather never see it on a table in the quicksand... or the bench in quicksand.. or while walking randomly through the streets of a city.

 

Or past that one lighthouse in the La Noscea region that you can take a ferry to Wolves' Den.

 

And I'm sure that most here would keep it in /p. Though I think there might be the occasional mt into /say I don't think that's the norm. If it was the norm those are the people I avoid and blacklist because I am judgmental and have decided if that's how they RP, it's not what I'm interested in and I want no part of it.

 

You ERP in your free time in private? Go right ahead. It's not -quite- ERP, but there's a certain point where I don't like PDA to head into and... You're making out and groping each other in public? Sorry I'm not going to even acknowledge. It's not the omg they're sluts! But for the fact that it's just not the type of RP I want to engage in.

 

I think people in FoM know of where I messed up recently in relation to this topic. ((P.S. Yes, I do know that certain measures do not prevent pregnant Miqo'te ;p )) Cause yes, I have engaged. But as most people who have RP'd with me, that's not the basis of my RP. If anything it's like this one supplement to the relationships my character has had.

 

but yeah. Mistakes happen and most times if I ever do see it someone goes "((Fuck my life. MT. Shit))" Like this one time I walked into an FC house. Everyone in the bar went silent for a bit as this huge paragraph flew in and then laughed at the MTer's expense a little.

 

Honestly it's just as much of a small annoyance about getting upset over peoples' grammar, their spelling, the way they burst into RP scenes and their character demands all the attention or certain respect. That is, it's not much of an issue.

[Aldotsk]

I've had good shares of my experience in RP and ERP for many years and yes I did ERP long time ago and it does not mean I will do it again or change my mind. I was later harassed by it through ICly and then OOCly so I closed myself and decided I won't change my opinions about how I feel in that subject. Again, I'll say it again. If you do it privately is your own chat and it does not concern me. Also I am a bit extremely grumpy because the first thing I've checked this forum after I woke up was the notification with Arma quoting me in bold saying I am ignorant and quick to my judgement and others saying I probably never read romantic novels or watched any scenes. As a matter of fact, what I do in my real life is my business unless I mention it in game. And don't judge me thinking I never had and experience with this before because I did, and it wasn't fun.

 

It won't change about my opinions, but I did say it like multiple times like in other thread too that if you do it in other private chat way for me not notice it, I don't see what's the problem. People seem to read other lines about what I say, but they seem to miss the main point about what I am trying to say. Is it like my English skill here?

[Lillith Cale]

I think everything I would have said, has been said by the wonderful Jana.

 

I've been roleplaying since I was 12, which means I've been at this for....15 years. *winces* Man, I'm old. Now, that's not as long as a lot of other people I know, but from my experiences, the opening post sums up the varieties of sexual situations you'll find in RP. So my hats off to you for that, you've explained it perfectly.

 

I, personally, don't have an issue roleplaying a sex scene out should my character come into a situation where it happens. I've done it before, and I'll probably do it again, but I definitely agree on several points. It needs to be done tastefully, it's not suppose to be some cheap smut. It needs to be done privately, just like in real life, what you do between the bed sheets needs to stay there: in the bedroom (or the basement, or the kitchen counter, but not in public, you get the idea). It needs to happen naturally, this shouldn't be something that is done between two characters just to do it, it should be a natural evolution of their relationship. And most importantly, all parties need to be comfortable with it. If my partner rather fade to black, then your damn right that's what I'm going to do, because I value the comfort of my roleplaying partner above all else.

[ArmachiA]

I've had good shares of my experience in RP and ERP for many years and yes I did ERP long time ago and it does not mean I will do it again or change my mind. I was later harassed by it through ICly and then OOCly so I closed myself and decided I won't change my opinions about how I feel in that subject. Again, I'll say it again. If you do it privately is your own chat and it does not concern me. Also I am a bit extremely grumpy because the first thing I've checked this forum after I woke up was the notification with Arma quoting me in bold saying I am ignorant and quick to my judgement and others saying I probably never read romantic novels or watched any scenes. As a matter of fact, what I do in my real life is my business unless I mention it in game. And don't judge me thinking I never had and experience with this before because I did, and it wasn't fun.

 

It won't change about my opinions, but I did say it like multiple times like in other thread too that if you do it in other private chat way for me not notice it, I don't see what's the problem. People seem to read other lines about what I say, but they seem to miss the main point about what I am trying to say. Is it like my English skill here?

 

 

Maybe it's your English but your point is getting lost in the "I blacklist all ERPers." "You shouldn't do it at all." "I don't want to know your ERP circle." which comes off as exceedingly judgemental and I felt it was a bit unfair and harsh.

 

Ignorant in this context wasn't a negative thing and really just meant lack of knowledge, maybe I should have used naive?

 

And I said "If you don't believe..." not that you haven't read any fiction. I have in fact come across people who believe any sex, ANY SEX, in fiction means it's smut or porn. ANY. I'm friends with this person. We butt heads about it regularly. I was wondering what your position was because you are making very blanket statements about the narrative benefits of ERP.

 

(And for the sake of "the internet" this isn't an aggressive post, I'm being very neutral here.)

[Shayrei]

I think we all agree that it’s common courtesy (and a bound agreement to ToS) to keep racy messages to private channels.

 

 

 

I completely agree with blacklisting players once that rule has been broken. Personally, I try to go the IC route if my character is in the space when it happens and do some “the fuck do you think you’re doing in the middle of this bar” RP. If it’s ignored, a whisper is sent (super communication, a go!). If that doesn’t get the person to shuffle off to tells/party/a house/room then the blacklist gets a new member.

 

 

 

I certainly agree with blacklisting a person that is trying push RP on you (of any sort: erp, fighting, etc) after having been asked to stop and it’s been made clear that you are not interested in furthering things in that particular direction.

 

 

 

It’s my firm belief that it’s your $15 a month, play how you like.

 

That philosophy works for many subjects- playing a pimp, playing a fighter, playing a barmaid, ERPing, combat RP, playing a non-lore/game compliant character (a sparkling vampire that hails from the foreign lands of Azeroth and fell into Eorzea through a massive vortex in the middle of a great sea).

 

However, understand that your choices have consequences (good or bad!). Just as it’s your right to play how you wish, so is it your neighbors.

 

There will people who disagree and people (players and characters) that agree.  

 

 

 

Embrace those that play with you and enjoy your story and style, understand that others may not and that’s okay. One hundred percent of people will not mesh one hundred percent of the time. Be disappointed, but understand it’s their right to fill their own story and RP how they like. Ignoring a player or playing off another character as odd and refusing to engage in RP with them is within their rights if that player/character breaks their immersion or upsets their RP. They’ll in turn find their own circle to play with. Perhaps one day your worlds will collide over something you can both agree with.

[Coatleque]

After skimming this thread, I have one point of order to make. Read the following at your own leisure. It's just one sentence, but I'll put it in spoilers because NSFW.

 

Tell me, would this constitute smut, ERP, or any of the things discussed here?

 

 

 

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

~Ezekiel 23:20

 

 

 

Considering where this passage comes from, I think people need to cool down a little and just breathe.

[ArmachiA]

^

^ Absolutely. I am pretty well known for only surrounding myself with people who stay true to lore, since I'm really big on lore (honestly the number who don't is relatively small but that's another conversation) and talk about it a lot of these very forums, but honestly I don't see those people running around being vampires or whatever - they can go do that in their own corner, they don't really bother me. Hell, we may even talk oocly, I'm generally pretty open to meeting new people. I just don't want to be apart of lore breaking.

 

I don't expect people to want to ERP (Gross, why would I?) it's a personal choice. I just don't want to see people judged, good people, Good RPers, judged because they do it within the context of the narrative. Rping sex is like rping torture or murder, like anything else if your uncomfortable - don't do it. But understand some people may. And that's okay. Generally.

 

After skimming this thread, I have one point of order to make. Read the following at your own leisure. It's just one sentence, but I'll put it in spoilers because NSFW.

 

Tell me, would this constitute smut, ERP, or any of the things discussed here?

 

 

 

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

~Ezekiel 23:20

 

 

 

Considering where this passage comes from, I think people need to cool down a little and just breathe.

 

The Song of Solomon in the bible is a poem that celebrates Sexual Love. Seriously.

[Erik Mynhier]

After skimming this thread, I have one point of order to make. Read the following at your own leisure. It's just one sentence, but I'll put it in spoilers because NSFW.

 

Tell me, would this constitute smut, ERP, or any of the things discussed here?

 

 

 

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

~Ezekiel 23:20

 

 

 

Considering where this passage comes from, I think people need to cool down a little and just breathe.

 

 

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[Lillith Cale]

After skimming this thread, I have one point of order to make.  Read the following at your own leisure.  It's just one sentence, but I'll put it in spoilers because NSFW.

 

Tell me, would this constitute smut, ERP, or any of the things discussed here?

 

 

 

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

 

 

~Ezekiel 23:20

 

 

 

 

Considering where this passage comes from, I think people need to cool down a little and just breathe.

 

Okay, I need to bite on this. Where is this from?

[Mae]

I'm in the camp of "If it's (OOCly) consensual, if I don't see it then I don't care". And I'm of the opinion that 90% of the people who purposefully ERP in public (MT's happen, and worst I'll do to them is gently poke fun) are either non-RPers trolling or the people who are just around to cyber. I could be off on that percentage, but I like to believe that most actual RPers of any flavor -are- classy enough keep it private. I also draw the line between acceptable and time to take it to private at third base; holding hands, hugging, cuddling, making out, and above-the-waist-and-above-clothes touching is fine, but when clothes come off, hands disappear under hemlines, dry humping, or obvious pre-orgasmic moans start cropping up... yeah... I really don't want to see that.

 

I'm also firmly in the camp of sex being a normal part of life (on a purely biological sense, reproduction IS the goal of existence), so if it makes sense that my character would bump uglies with another person's character, then I'm fine with it as long as the other party 1) is someone I'm OOCly comfortable with and 2) respects my "fade to black" stipulation. Which might seem odd because I'm perfectly fine writing a smutty short story if I'm in a mind to do so, but for me there's just something REALLY uncomfortable with the idea of doing a collaboration with someone and in a chatlog.

[Coatleque]

Okay, I need to bite on this. Where is this from?

 

 

It's a passage from the Bible, Old Testament. The NY Times best seller for near 100 years running.

[Lillith Cale]

Okay, I need to bite on this. Where is this from?

 

 

It's a passage from the Bible, Old Testament.  The NY Times best seller for near 100 years running.

*blink blink*

 

Well then. I learned something new today.

[ArmachiA]

I'm in the camp of "If it's (OOCly) consensual, if I don't see it then I don't care". And I'm of the opinion that 90% of the people who purposefully ERP in public (MT's happen, and worst I'll do to them is gently poke fun) are either non-RPers trolling or the people who are just around to cyber. I could be off on that percentage, but I like to believe that most actual RPers of any flavor -are- classy enough keep it private. I also draw the line between acceptable and time to take it to private at third base; holding hands, hugging, cuddling, making out, and above-the-waist-and-above-clothes touching is fine, but when clothes come off, hands disappear under hemlines, dry humping, or obvious pre-orgasmic moans start cropping up... yeah... I really don't want to see that.

 

I'm also firmly in the camp of sex being a normal part of life (on a purely biological sense, reproduction IS the goal of existence), so if it makes sense that my character would bump uglies with another person's character, then I'm fine with it as long as the other party 1) is someone I'm OOCly comfortable with and 2) respects my "fade to black" stipulation. Which might seem odd because I'm perfectly fine writing a smutty short story if I'm in a mind to do so, but for me there's just something REALLY uncomfortable with the idea of doing a collaboration with someone and in a chatlog.

 

This brings to mind when people think you should go to party? I've gone to party for just when a kiss last longer than two sentences (Where my partner said something --> I say something --> He says something --> go to party) even if we don't erp because I don't want to inconvenience anyone and make them uncomfortable. EVEN THEN, I not really comfortable with PDA in front of other rpers anyway. If my character is in an RP relationship we can use our own time to slobber all over each other.

 

I wonder what's an acceptable line to most people?

[ArmachiA]

Okay, I need to bite on this. Where is this from?

 

 

It's a passage from the Bible, Old Testament.  The NY Times best seller for near 100 years running.

*blink blink*

 

Well then. I learned something new today.

 

Song of Solomon man. Sex all over that poem. In the bible.