The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Merri]

TIL that I really need to find out what is going to be in the patch ( ACCESSORIES?) because I don't have the HP to survive in T13.

 

OMFG T_T

 

Tank accessories! \o/ Even one is usually more than enough.

 

I wore my dreadwyrm fending wrist on my first T13 clear so I had enough HP going in on Ninja. Granted, it put me way over what I needed. Think I was at almost 7k, which was a good 500 HP over what's considered a good cushion. Four star food also helps, though it'l drain your wallet real fast if you don't make it yourself.

[Kellach Woods]

Pre-emptive vent as I have ten bucks on a group raging at me for not knowing the mechanics of the dungeons coming out in the patch that hits tomorrow.

[Kage]

TIL that I really need to find out what is going to be in the patch ( ACCESSORIES?) because I don't have the HP to survive in T13.

 

OMFG T_T

 

Tank accessories! \o/ Even one is usually more than enough.

 

I wore my dreadwyrm fending wrist on my first T13 clear so I had enough HP going in on Ninja. Granted, it put me way over what I needed. Think I was at almost 7k, which was a good 500 HP over what's considered a good cushion. Four star food also helps, though it'l drain your wallet real fast if you don't make it yourself.

BLM main and I started to heal a lot more than I tank though I haven't started to throw poetics at off classes. You think an ironworks fending ring will work or HA/Soldiery?

[Merri]

BLM main and I started to heal a lot more than I tank though I haven't started to throw poetics at off classes. You think an ironworks fending ring will work or HA/Soldiery?

 

I imagine a single soldiery fending accessory will suffice on top of 2/3/4 star food. I know melee should aim for around 6500 due to our lower magic defense. I think BLM generally guns for around 6100. Some bad RNG can still one shot you, but that ought to be solid outside of that. I forget what our BLM is at, but they have near full left side dreadwyrm at this point so it's moot to figure out.

 

You could also respec a few points of INT into VIT to cap out over 6100 until you get more left side dreadwyrm if need be. At this point in gearing, the DPS checks in T13 aren't as bad as they used to be, so losing some INT here and there shouldn't hurt your group too badly so long as everyone else is equally geared and pulling their weight. :>

[Steel Wolf]

Pre-emptive vent as I have ten bucks on a group raging at me for not knowing the mechanics of the dungeons coming out in the patch that hits tomorrow.

 

Nah, you're fine on that for at least a week.

 

Unless you're a tanker. Then you've got three or four days, max, to be an expert at all the contents ever.

[Melodia]

Pre-emptive vent as I have ten bucks on a group raging at me for not knowing the mechanics of the dungeons coming out in the patch that hits tomorrow.

 

Nah, you're fine on that for at least a week.

 

Unless you're a tanker.  Then you've got three or four days, max, to be an expert at all the contents ever.  

This ^ lol! *hides axe and runs*

[Kellach Woods]

I WAR.

 

So, uh yeah.

[Gegenji]

It's times like this I'm glad I main SCH on Gogon. I'm going to hit the content first with him, so the most I'll have to deal with is "OH GOD, WHY DO THEY HIT SO HARD" and spamming heals.

 

With Chachan maining PLD, though... I'll have to pay closer attention than usual for when I go through with him.

[Warren Castille]

I've never had any trouble just by speaking up at the start of a run. "Hey, first time here. Anything tricky I should know about?"

 

Most of the time on patch day, that's true for 4/4 of the people running anyway. 'Fessing up about it defuses a lot of tension, especially when people start dying to mechanics.

 

Full admission: My first Brayflox Hard was with 4 people who had ZERO IDEA how to handle the bomb phases on the last boss. Wiped probably half a dozen times before realizing the AoE wasn't the side of the arena. We were trying to blow all the bombs into one side, and that worked about as well as you'd think it did.

 

When in doubt, be exceedingly, excruciatingly honest. "Hi, I'm your tank and I'm going to kill us all several times. Work with me."

[Kellach Woods]

You have a lot more confidence in the goodwill and patience of those playing this game in DF than I do.

[Warren Castille]

You have a lot more confidence in the goodwill and patience of those playing this game in DF than I do.

 

Well... I'm the tank. They can't kick me until 5 minutes in, can't abandon until longer, and unless they know what it is I'm doing wrong, they don't really have a reason to get rid of me. Most groups are willing to tough it out and die a bit learning, especially on new stuff. I had a Trial Roulette land on Ultros last week that wiped and ran for nearly 25 minutes before finally winning, and the whole time it was the same pair of people not knowing how to manage things. We talked them through it and eventually won.

 

I think the expectations on us for new things are amplified through the lens of worst-case scenario. I mean, it's different if someone's outright bad at something and refuses to learn (i.e., tanking Garuda in whirlwinds, kiting bosses for no reason, that sort of bad) but bad is not a synonym for new.

[Steel Wolf]

You have a lot more confidence in the goodwill and patience of those playing this game in DF than I do.

 

...well Ser Castille does have the right of it. And worst case, even if I'm dealing with an overgeared hyper-spazz Ninja of Aggro-Drawing Doom, I just banter anyway. It defuses my own nerves and, hopefully, makes the others laugh.

 

Or they get so annoyed they might leave. Either way, I'm winning.

 

If your faith has been that utterly dashed, though, mayhaps I'd suggest forming your own personal party? I mean, you've got some contacts or friends in this game that you know and get along with to form around you and have fun, no?

[Kage]

To me, I do almost everything but high-tier stuff in DF. I vent more about smaller things but I'd honestly say I probably am genuinely upset by anyone in DF maybe 2 times a week.

 

For the amount of times I play, I think that's a pretty good amount.

 

I remember I was sick 2.4 launch. Day of we all said we were new. Whatever right? No one bitched when we wiped on the first two Qarn HM bosses. or the Sastasha HM 1st boss. Snowcloak we didn't welp cause I'm just too good at healing (jk) while ignoring the mechanics. I died once in the last boss cause I has healing and didn't see people moving behind the icicle and I was too late and got chomped on.

 

The reaction by the groups were "LOL now we know."

[Melodia]

You have a lot more confidence in the goodwill and patience of those playing this game in DF than I do.

 

Well... I'm the tank. They can't kick me until 5 minutes in, can't abandon until longer, and unless they know what it is I'm doing wrong, they don't really have a reason to get rid of me. Most groups are willing to tough it out and die a bit learning, especially on new stuff. I had a Trial Roulette land on Ultros last week that wiped and ran for nearly 25 minutes before finally winning, and the whole time it was the same pair of people not knowing how to manage things. We talked them through it and eventually won.

 

I think the expectations on us for new things are amplified through the lens of worst-case scenario. I mean, it's different if someone's outright bad at something and refuses to learn (i.e., tanking Garuda in whirlwinds, kiting bosses for no reason, that sort of bad) but bad is not a synonym for new.

 

*Gets axe and charges into new content with a bolstered spirit*

 

RAWR!! Overpower ALL of the things!

[Steel Wolf]

*Gets axe and charges into new content with a bolstered spirit*

 

RAWR!! Overpower ALL of the things!

 

... <3

*steals phrase for new signature*

[Jana]

If you can get in on it early, now is the time to do new content. Everyone's on the same page.

[Warren Castille]

It'll likely be that way for the next couple of days, spiking on the weekend before new stuff becomes farm-status. Expect big crowds once more folks get home from work and such.

[Steel Wolf]

It'll likely be that way for the next couple of days, spiking on the weekend before new stuff becomes farm-status. Expect big crowds once more folks get home from work and such.

 

*raises hand*

 

I'LL BE RAWR-AXEING AT STUFF SO DAMNED HARD TONIGHT AFTER WORK!!

 

That said, my apologies in advance to anyone here who experiences my axetarded failtanking for the next...oh...four or five days. ILU GAIZ

[Jana]

Mhm, I did my blind runs of WP/AK HMs already with full blind groups, and we only wiped once (on AKHM 1st boss). They're not bad, mechanically-speaking.

 

Edit: Oh and the 2nd AKHM boss too, 2spooky.

[Aris]

A little rant from me, but I've put it under read more because of potential sensitive subject.

 

 

 

I'm just really annoyed that people throw around the word 'rape' so casually, it isn't something casual and shouldn't be used in comparative to a video game. Case closed. 

 

Some people who I with regularly have been saying it and I don't want to make a fuss, but it's not something I personally want to be hear. But at the same time I've finally found a group of people to talk to, which I find incredibly difficult. I don't know if I'm being fussy.

 

So I'm also ranting about myself because I'm so god damn sensitive and that's no good in a multiplayer game but please regard the latter point, I'll probably end up deleting this post any way because I'm a nervous forum poster. ._.

 

[Warren Castille]

I won't quote your post in case you do delete it, but I hope you won't.

 

Unfortunately, when we get together in public places, the illusion of safety regarding emotional boundaries all but vanishes. The best we can do is find people who mesh with our beliefs and hope we don't have to put up with nonsense from folks who agitate us.

 

That word is unfortunately pretty stuck in our lexicon thanks to anonymous online gaming and general insensitivity of the reality of the term. Despite that, I can't exactly say something akin to "try a thicker skin" because of the horrific action attached to the definition.

 

To put all that fanciful qualifying and eggshell-walking in layman's terms...

 

Assholes ruin everything.

[Kellach Woods]

It's not just assholes though.

 

I've people that I routinely would call great friends and great people in general.

 

They toss that word in most situations without regard to, y'know, anyone else.

[Warren Castille]

Major derail:

 

Well, yes. The definition of the word is lost on the current usage. Similar to a certain completely-unkind F-word referring to sexuality, the people using it most often aren't using it in the "correct" sense of the definition. It's a synonym to mean dumb, or stupid, or bad, or useless, or something. It's offensive, sure, but sexuality doesn't enter the picture.

 

Similarly, in the usage of PVP or, most commonly, online shooters, the word just means "destroyed effortlessly" or something similar. The actual act isn't referenced, or even intended. It's just an offensive word the yokels grabbed on to to throw around and inflame. It's crass, but it's effective.

 

I'm a firm believer that words can change their definition over time, and popular use, regardless of intention or benevolence, will usher in those changes. There's a certain C-word that's popular overseas that's outrageously offensive that I throw around in familiar company, but I try not to do it in public places where I might upset someone.

 

That said, if someone IS bothered by these sorts of usages, I do think that we as people could try to not be so crass. That being said about that being said, I also don't believe in censoring myself to insulate myself from offending people looking to be offended. That doesn't seem to be the case in this case, but it never hurts to be slightly more considerate.

 

You will never catch me proclaiming that I'm r-ing f's online. You will catch me calling them c's behind their backs, though.

[Melkire]

I know this doesn't excuse or justify anything, but technically that word has its etymological roots in seizing or devaluing. Online video game communities use it interchangeably with "wrecked (rekt)", "pwnd", and other various slang terms that ultimately amount to short-hand for, "I triumphed over you so thoroughly that you should feel demoralized."

 

I've been plenty guilty of throwing -that- word around nonchalantly in the past, back when I didn't much care for how others might take it. Been gradually phasing it out of my own vocabulary and using the aforementioned alternatives instead.

 

tl;dr: it's a case of differing social values from one individual to another, namely how much weight and import we give to what other people say.

 

 

EDIT: Warren quit ninja'ing me, you're a PLD, you're supposed to be slow.

[Warren Castille]

JUSTICE CAN NEVER WAIT

JUSTICE DOESN'T OBEY POSTED SPEED LIMITS