Cross-species / Cross clans offspring

[Naunet]

I'm with Zyrusticae on the possibility of hybrids with lalafell. All the playable races we have are "races of Man", which suggests they're very closely related, genetics-wise. Any rarity in hybrids I think would more likely be a result of cultural differences and geographic isolation than anything.

 

I can understand people having some sort of gut rejection of lalafell getting it on with other races, because they likely have some instinctive vision of lalafell as children, which ups the "ew no" factor. But... they're lalafell! Not children. Think of them like the chihuahua or the corgi or whatever of the "races of Man" world.

[C'kayah Polaali]

While genetically possible, I think the major halt to cross-clan offspring among the Miqo'te is their huge difference in culture. Sure, there are individuals who are exceptions and stray from their clan's traditions (and a large % of roleplayers like to be that "special exception", I've found), but commonly, Seekers of the Sun are a patriarchal, tribal culture, while Keepers of the Moon are matriarchal and live in small families. The lore also says that both clans have an insular mentality and tend to live among their own kin rather, trying to avoid the other races.

 

But to go back to the inter-clan mating, I think a woman coming from a matriarchal structure and a male from a patriarchal one would be in heavy conflict, as both consider themselves the "leader" of the family. The same also goes if they were of opposite genders.

 

Seeker Female: Hey love, my sister also wants a child. I'm gonna call her over to mate with ya.

*the Keeper male flees*

 

Seeker Male 1: Hey, I'll be back in a hour or two, okay? Another female in my tribe wants a child and I'm their Nuhn.

*the Keeper female begins to seek ways to break Eternal Bond*

 

Seeker Male 2: Okay, now that I have you, I think I am officially no longer a Tia. We'll need to find more females.

*the second Keeper female seeks the first Keeper female to know how to break Eternal Bond*

 

So yeah... Hybrids are possible, but likely very rare because it's rare to find parents not influenced by their clan's mentality.

 

But again, you'll find that most of the RPers out there like to be "the rare case". So go on ahead.

 

There's nothing that really seems to indicate that Keepers are monogamous, though. Keeper males are supposed to be rare, so why wouldn't they be used to being passed around to other females (case #1 there), while cases #2 and #3 the Keeper female isn't seeing anything too different than what they're used to.

 

The large cultural differences in my mind are the nocturnal/diurnal split between the two. A Seeker man who joins a Keeper clan to be with the woman he loves would mostly be giving up his beloved sun, while a Keeper woman who joined a Seeker tribe to be with the man she loved would likewise lose the night that she is used to.

[C'kayah Polaali]

It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

 

Yeah, you see that all the time in real life. "You're marrying a yankee? What sort of Southerner are you?" :lol:

[Mae]

But nothing with Lalafell, because... No.

If we had another small race, I wouldn't have a problem with the concept; Lala's aren't some weird race that stays children forever. But as they are right now, I picture a Lala carrying a pureblood Lala baby the same way a kiwi carries an egg before laying it:

 

Doyouseehowinsanelygiantthateggiscomparedtotherestofthebird?! 

 

Yes, they've evolved to handle birthing something that proportionally big, but I can't see how they'd handle something bigger due to breeding with a larger race without complications. And, dear gods, think about Lala's having twins (or more!) with that sort of proportion..!

[Kismet]

I never thought cross-race breeding to be impossible with the Lalafell. (Edit: For the record, nor did I mean to imply that I was seeing them as eternal children or anything... so let's just toss that notion out.)

 

I am merely concerned with possible structural complications... :lol:

[Mae]

EDIT: Ugh, give me a minute... bumpy road made my mouse move to where it could click 'post' before I was ready....

EDIT TO THE EDIT: Okay, all done now.

EDIT TO THE EDIT TO THE EDIT: ... forgot a few words. I shouldn't be posting when I have a migrane...

 

I can understand people having some sort of gut rejection of lalafell getting it on with other races, because they likely have some instinctive vision of lalafell as children, which ups the "ew no" factor. But... they're lalafell! Not children. Think of them like the chihuahua or the corgi or whatever of the "races of Man" world.

My "ew no" factor is actually more like this:

 

 

Pretend the chihuahua is a Lala female, and the great dane is a Roegadyn (switching the Lala to a corgi is only -slightly- better). Or that a english setter is a Miqo'te. The size difference is where the problem is. Actual act of mating aside, cross-breed/cross-species sort of heavily infers that the resulting offspring are going to have features of both parents, and size is a feature.

 

GRANTED... there probably are chihuahua/great dane crosses out there, but they're cases where the male was the chihuahua and and either either got the great dane when she was sitting/laying down, or used a step ladder. Either way, the experience was probably akin to throwing a hotdog down a hallway. And to go the other way (female chihuahua/male great dane) would be irresponsible for a breeder to attempt and for a vet to not suggest to terminate the pregnancy -- the health risks are too high for the dam.

 

I never thought cross-race breeding to be impossible with the Lalafell. (Edit: For the record, nor did I mean to imply that I was seeing them as eternal children or anything... so let's just toss that notion out.)

 

I am merely concerned with possible structural complications... :lol:

My bad, I added in the eternal children thing because another post went in while I was slowly typing and I was referring to that as well.

 

And, yes... structural complications..! I spit my drink halfway across the truck when I looked at that picture!

[Kismet]

 

 

Pretend the chihuahua is a Lala female, and the great dane is a Roegadyn (switching the Lala to a corgi is only -slightly- better). Or that a english setter is a Miqo'te. The size difference is where the problem is.

 

Omg, I'm dying. XDDD

[Altitis Acquired]

I apologize beforehand for the crudeness of my post:

 

I can understand some interracial mating between the races of Hydaelyn. But the whole Lala x Roe thing... A male Roe's penis would be the size of a Lala... How would it work? And a male Lala's penis wouldn't satisfy a female Roe at all, unless there's something completely wrong with the male Lala.

 

The Lalafells are simply too different from the rest of the races for it to actually work, due to their very small size.

 

That said, any sexual or romantic interaction between a Lala and any person of the other races, that's completely up to you. You just need to be a bit more creative though, as genitalia penetration in hopes of procreation isn't something that would be possible.

[Naunet]

A male Roe's penis would be the size of a Lala... How would it work?

 

 

I certainly hope not.

[Altitis Acquired]

A male Roe's penis would be the size of a Lala... How would it work?

 

 

I certainly hope not.

 

It would indeed be like a third leg.

[Katherine Vokare]

There is always the "I don't have to explain anything, it's magic, yo!" response. I've played games where, regardless of differences, people have tried to make it work whether it'd be plausible or not.

 

Potions

Magic

Natural Phenomenon

 

I agree that it'd be difficult/impossible for a Lala/Roe but Miqo'te are suppose to be a rare race and instead they're the most populous and I haven't seen anyone bat an eyelash at that.

It doesn't matter to me what people want to Roleplay as long as they aren't forcing their beliefs onto others so let the Lala/Roe relationships thrive and the Miqo'te continue to breed like bunnies.

 

:thumbsup:

[Kage]

It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

 

Yeah, you see that all the time in real life. "You're marrying a yankee? What sort of Southerner are you?" :lol:

 

I joke with a lot of friends about this but... Asians are extremely racist. Especially to each other. My parents -hated- that I used to watch a lot of Japanese competitive cooking shows or even showed a small interest in Mahjong. It became a day's long lecture once. As Taiwanese, some mainlanders give me the stink eye. One of the first things Chinese people tend to ask is "Mainland? Taiwan? Hong Kong?"

 

People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

[Altitis Acquired]

People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

 

Well, you know its exaggerations, so of course it should be taken with a grain of salt. People use exaggerations to pull a point through, that's just the way it is.

[C'kayah Polaali]

It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

 

Yeah, you see that all the time in real life. "You're marrying a yankee? What sort of Southerner are you?" :lol:

 

I joke with a lot of friends about this but... Asians are extremely racist. Especially to each other. My parents -hated- that I used to watch a lot of Japanese competitive cooking shows or even showed a small interest in Mahjong. It became a day's long lecture once. As Taiwanese, some mainlanders give me the stink eye. One of the first things Chinese people tend to ask is "Mainland? Taiwan? Hong Kong?"

 

Sure, but you also see a lot of Asians in relationships with non-Asians. It's not necessarily common, but it's certainly not unheard of. I think that's the same sort of thing you see in Eorzea with cross-"species" relationships. Not common, but not unheard of, either.

 

People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

 

Agreed! While the size difference between a Roegadyn and a Lalafell is a little more extreme than the size difference between Peter Dinklage and his wife, it's in the same ballpark. And the Dinklage-Schmidts seem to do juuuuust fine!

[Altitis Acquired]

Either way, a Lala taking a Roe dick up the butt would just split the Lala in half, or at least cause internal bleeding.

[Zyrusticae]

Yeah, in all honesty the only Lala halfbreeds would probably have the Lala as the father far more often than not. The mothers are just too bloody small to the point where even their own children are an unreasonably large proportion of their size (especially considering their heads).

 

That being said... no, Roegadyns being physically large does not necessarily mean their penis size scales in proportion to their bodies. Gorillas have notoriously small penises, for example, relative to their body mass (1.5 inches!). It could very well be that they are no larger there than an ordinary human being. I would still recommend she not attempt to sire children regardless...

 

(Also, there is porn of this)

[Altitis Acquired]

Yeah, in all honesty the only Lala halfbreeds would probably have the Lala as the father far more often than not. The mothers are just too bloody small to the point where even their own children are an unreasonably large proportion of their size (especially considering their heads).

 

That being said... no, Roegadyns being physically large does not necessarily mean their penis size scales in proportion to their bodies. Gorillas have notoriously small penises, for example, relative to their body mass (1.5 inches!). It could very well be that they are no larger there than an ordinary human being. I would still recommend she not attempt to sire children regardless...

 

(Also, there is porn of this)

 

Huh... if that's the case with male Roes, no wonder so many female Roes are lesbian.

[Mae]

People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

Let's upgrade the chihuahua to a pug... downgrade the great dane to a pitbull...

 

 

 

... Still looks like it'd be an uncomfortable situation...

[Kismet]

People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

 

 

I'm sorry. I'm just kidding, honest.

 

 

Either way, a Lala taking a Roe dick up the butt would just split the Lala in half, or at least cause internal bleeding.

 

 

XDDDDD

[Blue]

There's nothing that really seems to indicate that Keepers are monogamous, though. Keeper males are supposed to be rare, so why wouldn't they be used to being passed around to other females (case #1 there), while cases #2 and #3 the Keeper female isn't seeing anything too different than what they're used to.

 

The large cultural differences in my mind are the nocturnal/diurnal split between the two. A Seeker man who joins a Keeper clan to be with the woman he loves would mostly be giving up his beloved sun, while a Keeper woman who joined a Seeker tribe to be with the man she loved would likewise lose the night that she is used to.

 

I probably shouldn't step on this topic again, but I can always hope reactions won't be as flaming as the last time this point was argued, can I?

 

Unlike the Seekers of the Sun, the Keepers of the Moon is a highly matriarchal society, with family names passed down from the mother, not the father.

The Keepers of the Moon lead more solitary lives, rarely forming communities of more than two or three families. This gives them a tighter knit society and to form closer relationships but makes them less of a tribe and more of an extended family like a clan.

Simply put, Keepers of the Moon are somewhat more independent and matriarchal, hence they don't actually form tribal groups like we Sunseekers do, but instead prefer small family groups.

Keepers of the Moon are more loners and live in small family units, at most in gatherings of 2-3 families. They are a matriarchal society, and follow bloodlines through the mother.

 

With all this, I'm trying to point out that, first of all the term "Keeper clan" is not something that really came from the lore, but a small plothole-filling/lorebending that the vast majority of the RP community accepted and adopted (personally I prefer to still use "family" until anything is given, but I'm not going to avoid/despise those who RP Keeper clans).

 

Secondly that, given the multiple times it is specified that Keepers are more of a loner type, live in smaller families, and have closer relationships seems more than enough hits of a monogamous lifestyle. Polygamous relationships are not considered "close" (in fact, they are often pointed to be "unlike the Seekers of the Sun" in this way).

 

In short, I think what SE wanted to do was make Seekers similar to Lions in type of society, and as such have their mating traditions, while the Keepers would be more similar to nocturnal feline hunters, like panthers, tigers and the like, who prefer to have one mate instead.

 

EDIT: A small addition so I do not come out as an hypocrite: I realize I am "reading signs" about Keeper's monogamy just how people are about Keeper's clans, so I do not feel people must take my stance as a dogma, much how I do not take Keeper clans as a dogma myself. In the end, it's all plotholes and until they're filled, we're free to see what we find more reasonable in them. In short, I simply think that there are more hints of monogamy than there are of polygamy in what little information we know of the Keepers. *flaps white flag*

[Kage]

I just want to tell theincubuslord that now I'm thinking of

mrhands

while even thinking of how things work.

 

T_T

 

But I agree it's most likely that where a Lala and a Roe were actually together it was definitely a Male Lalafell and a female Roe.

 

Then again, you have that one lalafell who goes "Take me Raubahn I am your sultana!"

[Altitis Acquired]

I just want to tell theincubuslord that now I'm thinking of

mrhands

 

while even thinking of how things work.

 

T_T

 

But I agree it's most likely that where a Lala and a Roe were actually together it was definitely a Male Lalafell and a female Roe.

 

Then again, you have that one lalafell who goes "Take me Raubahn I am your sultana!"

 

Yes, exactly that.

[Kinono]

I'm disappointed in, like, half of you.

 

This entire thread just makes me /straightface.

 

But not the neutral straight face.

 

Just a straight face of vague disappointment.

[Altitis Acquired]

I'm disappointed in, like, half of you.

 

This entire thread just makes me /straightface.

 

But not the neutral straight face.

 

Just a straight face of vague disappointment.

 

What for?

[Kinono]

What for?