[Spoiler] Speculation: Origin of the Void

[Valence]

 

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That got me a bit stunned for a while. I am not totally sure how far that revelation goes, what is true of it and how much of it does he tells us... And I have yet to finish the 3.4 MSQ.

 

I just find that whole discussion with the WoDs to be most intriguing. Not only on what it implies on the presence of at least 13 worlds, one consumed by the Light, and one consumed by the Dark (the 13th which turned into the Void... then into what turned the one consumed by the Light? The aetherial plane? Something else?).

 

What intrigues me most is that blatant revelation on the origin of the Void though, which seems to imply that the Void hasn't been always here, and wasn't born from the separation between Light and Dark (Hydaelyn and Zodiark), but is just the result of a world consumed by Darkness.

 

Then if we think more about it, what does it implies? Void is devoid of aether. Does that mean Darkness is the enemy/antithesis of aether? Does that mean Light is aether incarnate?

 

Does that mean Hydaelyn is truly the icon of Light, where Zodiark is the icon of Darkness, or is it something else if the WoDs are not lying?

 

Also, since the WoDs are conspiring with Ascians, and knowing that Ascians seem to be pristine Voidsent, then what? Are the WoDs serving the Void (so, the Darkness)?

 

I think this is the first patch with 3.2 with really deep revelations, that might be way deeper than we think initially.

[Gegenji]

I just find that whole discussion with the WoDs to be most intriguing. Not only on what it implies on the presence of at least 13th worlds, one consumed by the Light, and one consumed by the Dark (which turned into the Void... then into what turned the one consumed by the Light? The aetherial plane? Something else?).

 

...

 

Does that mean Hydaelyn is truly the icon of Light, where Zodiark is the icon of Darkness, or is it something else if the WoDs are not lying?

 

Perhaps the "area" where the Mother Crystal herself "resides" is the world consumed by light? Is that the aethereal plane-slash-lifestream? I don't quite recall.

 

Though, to be fair, he could also believe he's right and the information he has is simply skewed or outright incorrect. Either purposefully - such as misinformation by the Ascians - or the actual truth not being available yet. Perhaps the rest of the patch will tell. Or subsequent patches.

 

I'll have to keep an eye out when I get home and plow through the patch myself. :lol:

[Valence]

Also something else occurred to me. Remember Gilgamesh, and the samurai girl from the FF11 event? Both come from different worlds, and that revelation here would tend to confirm the existence of their worlds, anchoring them in the main story, and not just "OOC not very serious stories just here to accompany seasonal events".

 

If anyone needed a confirmation of many more worlds than Hydaelyn herself, then this is probably it, or a huge step in that direction.

[FreelanceWizard]

If anyone needed a confirmation of many more worlds than Hydaelyn herself, then this is probably it, or a huge step in that direction.

 

Unukalhai, if you talk to him after completing the 3.3 Warring Triad quest line, states that there's worlds other than Hydaelyn, and that he came from one where use of eikon-harnessing technology resulted in the world being effectively destroyed. So, this is just further confirmation of that.

 

Yoshida always said that there were lore reasons to justify the crossover events. This is just more hinting that the lore rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than we'd expected.

[Gegenji]

If anyone needed a confirmation of many more worlds than Hydaelyn herself, then this is probably it, or a huge step in that direction.

 

Unukalhai, if you talk to him after completing the 3.3 Warring Triad quest line, states that there's worlds other than Hydaelyn, and that he came from one where use of eikon-harnessing technology resulted in the world being effectively destroyed. So, this is just further confirmation of that.

 

It's always been a fun little musing of mine that - given who the Warring Triad are - Unukalhai might be from the world of FF6. Though, its War of the Magi was due to said Warring Triad fighting amongst themselves and turning people into magic soldiers (aka espers). However, it also had an Empire who used Esper-powered Magitek in a bid for world domination that ultimately ended with the entire planet being reshaped and basically left dying by a treacherous court mage.

 

Continuing with that thought, perhaps these other worlds that are being mentioned are the realms of the other games. Hence why Gilgamesh exists in FFXIV after crossing the void. Remember, he's not just a holiday event thing like Lightning or the FFXI Samurai/Visit from Shantotto. Which leaves you to wonder which of these game worlds - if true - are the ones that became engulfed by Darkness and Light, respectively. It could be quite the stretch though - especially considering most of the references to the other games are just that... references.

 

On the other hand, wasn't it mentioned somewhere that all the FF universes ARE interconnected through the Void or whatever? Perhaps in the Dissidia games? If they're delving more into that, then we could have quite some interesting information coming at us in the future.

[Delilah Scythewood]

When you think about it, the other worlds are probably other FF universes. Which would explain why we get visits from people like Lightning now and again.

 

This also reminds me of WoW, where the fel taint could warp entire races and planets into these dominions of darkness. Some creatures like felstalkers were never actually demons to begin with but were corrupted and warped into being such.

 

Makes you wonder if the creatures of the Void we battle against are actually just people that the darkness tainted.

[Valence]

From the lore we currently know, Voidsent are born in the Void from our dreams and nightmares, and given form there from the aether that constantly seeps from its travel between our realm and the aetherial sea.

 

 

If anyone needed a confirmation of many more worlds than Hydaelyn herself, then this is probably it, or a huge step in that direction.

 

Unukalhai, if you talk to him after completing the 3.3 Warring Triad quest line, states that there's worlds other than Hydaelyn, and that he came from one where use of eikon-harnessing technology resulted in the world being effectively destroyed. So, this is just further confirmation of that.

 

Yoshida always said that there were lore reasons to justify the crossover events. This is just more hinting that the lore rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than we'd expected.

 

This is true. Just more facts yes.

 

I'm only adding that for confirmation. I seem to recall it created a lot of debate around the legitimacy of it as canon.

[Aaron]

The WoD said that his world was consumed by an all encompassing radiating light and then...

 

Blank. That's what happened afterwards. Every single thing looks like a blank white sheet of printer paper. He said the light took away all shadow, all color, everything.

 

So basically, his world was fixed of all darkness by just getting erased.

[Gegenji]

That's basically what happened in Final Fantasy 3, though, isn't it? The previous world was overflowing with Light and the Warriors of Darkness had to restore the balance. The game you play is when the opposite occurs - Warriors of Light to banish the overwhelming Darkness (manifest in the Cloud of Darkness, which makes me wonder if there was a Cloud of Light). Basically, there needs to be a Balance - and leaning towards one side is just as bad as leaning too far to the other.

 

Anyway, if we stick to the theory of the worlds being other FF game worlds... perhaps the WoD is from the next turn of that... wherein they failed? Thematically, FF3 was also the first FF game to include job changing, so it'd be a fitting game to "link" to first - along with FF5, which they already did with Gilgamesh in a fashion. Doubtful, I'm sure, but it's a fun thought project.

 

... Especially if we're going full Inception loremongering and trying to figure out the "true" layout and timeline of the Final Fantasy multiverse. Since, if that makes FF3-World the "consumed by light"... then either the worlds of FF1, FF2, or FF4 would have been "consumed by darkness" to provide the Void Exdeath uses in FF5. If we're keeping to some manner of chronology... which is just flaky thinking on my part - it could be the FF9 world that gets swallowed up in Darkness for all I know. :lol:

[Valence]

I have never been too much fond of willingly trying to tie all the FF worlds to FFXIV, but with that FFXI thingy and Lightning stuff... Possibly.

 

What interests me more is that with further precisions as you go on the 3.4 MSQ, they start to give you more specific numbers.

 

13 worlds, 7 consumed by darkness, 6 remaining. The 13th was the first consumed and turned into the Void. The 1th is the one where the WoLs won in totality and absolutely against Darkness but did the mistake not to care about balance (still unclear on the exact shenanigans on that... seems convuluted/stretched to me).

 

It seems however that this world is not yet lost as Minfillia/Hydaelyn's voice goes there to take care of the thing, along with the WoLs (turned into WoDs) from that world.

 

Now then, which number is Eorzea's world?

[Cecily Jisi]

What I got from him was that 1.0 still exists in a different dimension or something like that.

[Valence]

1.0? Like FFXIV 1.0?

 

This happened 6 years ago, on the same world... It's nothing alike to what happened on that World #1 where the WoD seem to come from.

 

World #1 was threatened by Darkness like every other world, but the warriors of light of that world (who turned into the WoD and came to our world after) beat the Darkness for good and so totally that they created an imbalance of Light (which is a bit unclear on what it does and implies...).

 

1.0 was just about what the agents of Darkness (Ascians/Paragons) always try to do: bring chaos and darkness through Calamities. The 1.0 WoL got expelled to the future by Louisoix just before the crash of Dalamud, and the memories of them the people retained got blurry and vague. If you play a legacy character, they eventually recognize you, and if not, you are someone else, a new WoL.

 

If you meant by 1.0 the world #1, then yes, most worlds seem to be exist in parallel dimensions (a bit like in FFIX), and tied to their star.

 

Which incidentally brings us to the stars themselves which seem to be quite central to that whole aether deal when Y'Shtola speaks about our own in the Alexander series (the primal consuming so much aether that it doesn't even threaten the planet, but the star itself).

[Cecily Jisi]

Exactly. The Warriors of Darkness are the Warriors of Light we see in End of an Era (pre-ARR) but as a like... alternate world? Alternate timeline? It's honestly very confusing...

[Valence]

Yes it is confusing. It could hint that most of those worlds/realities are bland copies of our own. More like parallel possibilities than different worlds.

 

But then, what about Ligntning and that Samurai girl from Vana'diel?

[Gegenji]

Yes it is confusing. It could hint that most of those worlds/realities are bland copies of our own. More like parallel possibilities than different worlds.

Obviously this is explaining how EVERYONE is the Warrior of Light! You're just the WoL for your version of the world. And are obviously the better one because all the others screwed up somehow. The WoD is just someone else's OC WoL.

[Valence]

weeps silently

[Martiallais]

The Warriors of Darkness are IMO an alternate version of the WoLs we've been seeing in cutscenes. Basically as they said, they were from a world where they WON. They saved the day completely and utterly. It just backfired rather than being a happy ending.

 

That said, I think it does open the door to the more sensible/well reasoned world traveling RP characters. I wouldn't say everyone and their mom does/can do it but it definitely proves that it is completely possible.

 

Also I think the 13 worlds/13 games is too much of a coincidence. While the references are probably small, hidden, or yet to come there's now canon reasons for all those other bits from other FF games. Very cool stuff that I definitely want to know more about.

[Valence]

13 worlds for.... 14 games?

[Gegenji]

13 worlds for.... 14 games?

 

Spoilers, Hydaelyn was the world from FF1 all along. The Garlean Empire can actually trace back their roots to "I will knock you all down" Garland. And that's the same Matoya. Limsa was built on the ruins of Corneria!

 

(In all seriousness, if that turns out to be the actual plot twist - the "this is the FF1 (or some other FF) world part," not all the rest - I'm going to laugh so hard. I doubt it will be, but it'd still be funny if it turned out to be.)

[Trigonxv]

Well they opened it up for future expacs when everything is sunshine and rainbows in hydaelyn finally

[Kage]

Isn't it the Source and then 13 shards?

[Valence]

But what is the Source, is the question? The place where they go between worlds? The place where the WoL and WoD went to meet Minfillia and stuff?

 

That's left rather... vague. Until we know more.

[Steel Wolf]

I assume "The Source" is the wellspring of the Lifestream itself, which houses the crystal of Hydaelyn. Considering all the sworly stuff in that region and how easily people's aether is moved there, that's my best guess.

[Melkire]

The Source and thirteen reflections, with FFXIV's world (Hydaelyn) being the Source. 1+13=14. WoD made it pretty clear that the XIV setting is the focal point. The center, if you will.

[Valence]

He did? I must have missed that. There was a lot of info delivered at once..