In need of some Female Miqot'e for some RP. (Balmung)

[Lost River]

Oi, look at all da silly mow mows!

 

Extras in a movie, too bad there are no sexy slave outfits to wear, then you can cosplay as a slave Miqo'te later.

 

Only Miqo'te can apply though?

[Anstarra]

I think people are shocked by the search for ERP not because its ERP, but the fact that ERP is the actual goal. There is no depth or interesting development that can come from it so people tend to just think that anyone looking for it is just seeking the perverse side of it all. I am also of this mindset. Here, I'll give you an example.

 

 

Two miqo'te that left their tribe, were useless at hunting and had no noteworthy skills so then turned to prostitution to make money. This has a possible story because its not something they particularly want to do rather than were forced to and they could eventually rise out of it and ultimately, erp was not their actual goal.

 

This sounds reasonable to me. I'd hate the thought of the people you'd encounter doing such a thing but overall it seems fine.

 

 

This topic on the other hand, no. The goal is ERP itself and I cannot see any interesting RP in this.

 

 

 

 

Sidestepping that, what I wanted to say was that I don't understand where you are getting this idea that sunseeker females are just sex slaves for nuhns. You make it sounds as if they are obligated to do it no matter what and there is nothing more to their being.

 

 

 

As a final note, I got confused somewhere through the topic. I'm not sure if this was actually the point after all, despite the title and OP's suggestive posts but just consider this reply to be an explanation if that was the case, as so many people at least seem to think it is.

 

Hmm.

 

The thread's not about ERP, this was clarified repeatedly.

 

Nowhere does it insinuate that the Seekers in question would not be coerced into slavery; we're not talking him standing there and saying I'm a Nunh, obey me, and they do it. No. We're talking enslavement. Bad stuff, but legit from an RP standpoint.

 

Like everyone, you're free to have your opinion on ERP. I personally don't have a problem with it even if it is the focus of a story, because in real life, sex is often the end goal, not a detail. Of course, it's much-enriched and far more satisfying if it's part of something more. Sex on its own is boring, too, compared to lovemaking in a relationship.

 

But this thread isn't about sex or ERP anyway, so I guess there's no point in standing on a soapbox and shouting my opinion about it more than I have ;D

[Anstarra]

The person who is being accused of advertising for ERP states right in a post saying he is NOT looking for ERP. That was not the original purpose for the post, yes it could have started off explained a bit better, but hindsight is 20/20.

 

To be fair, the person who made the thread isn't that same person... and the maker of the thread did not know whether it was for ERP or not I think she might've assumed it was, just to be safe... or banked on the shock value of the base concept (and our collective imaginations) to draw attention. Looks like it worked ;b Certainly it's easy to ASSUME it's about ERP... which is why I'm glad they came and clarified, later.

 

But gawd, the way people get up in arms about ERP... lol.

[ArmachiA]

Man I ain't up in arms about ERP. I just think it's tasteless to advertise about it publically. I'm not saying THIS is, though it sounded like it, I'm just putting my oppinion out there on advertising for erp.

 

This sounded like an advertisement for it, I was pretty surprised when the player came in and said it was not

 

As roleplayers we all know ERP happens, and more of us do it than we would like to admit.

[ansemaru]

...okay, when I thought this was just about ERP, I thought this was tacky. The actual explanation is way worse than "oh I'm playing the big Nunh on campus and want a sexy harem of sexy catgirls".

 

Like, to clarify, I'm not against ERP. I suppose that point might have gotten lost when sparky_ff7f had his thread deleted and my comments there were lost, but ultimately, it's a facet of roleplaying and something people enjoy. It's not my business to tell people to not ERP or anything like that. What I'm against is people trying to treat other people like objects to be traded, whether it's a sex thing or a power thing. This is the latter, and that's straight-up nasty.

[C'kayah Polaali]

I've started a new thread to talk about ERP, so we can leave this one for R'mah's original purpose of finding extras.

 

Come on over and argue! :angel:

[LiadansWhisper]

...okay, when I thought this was just about ERP, I thought this was tacky. The actual explanation is way worse than "oh I'm playing the big Nunh on campus and want a sexy harem of sexy catgirls".

 

Like, to clarify, I'm not against ERP. I suppose that point might have gotten lost when sparky_ff7f had his thread deleted and my comments there were lost, but ultimately, it's a facet of roleplaying and something people enjoy. It's not my business to tell people to not ERP or anything like that. What I'm against is people trying to treat other people like objects to be traded, whether it's a sex thing or a power thing. This is the latter, and that's straight-up nasty.

 

It's also a part of the setting.  Slavery is a terrible thing, and we know from quest text and lore that it happens every day in Eorzea.

[Siha]

Personally I find nothing wrong with this Arc they are wanting to do, slavery IS wrong but you have to remember it's RP here. Just because they're RPing it doesn't meant that they personally like it outside of that, it's very clearly an arc and the reason I believe it was posted was to ask if anyone else would like to get involved. I doubt they were going to play out scenes that others were uncomfortable with in a public setting so I suppose I don't understand why it is necessary to drop a bomb on their advertisement for this.

 

Like so many have said before, if you don't like it, then don't read it. It's just as simple as that I think. And I'm not meaning to sound rude to anyone that IS offended by such a concept but they're not making anyone join this, they are simply looking for those would WOULD want to willingly be involved in something like this for the sake of a villain arc and drama for all involved should be rightfully kept IC.

[Kismet]

The discussion of ERP and how it's viewed, blahblablah... I'm not going to touch any of that. I am going to touch on a couple of other things, though. (No innuendo intended, lol.)

 

 

Since I'm the player of that Nunh and people start assuming some...weird thing I have to clarify

 

My character doesn't want to -breed- or have anything with them. He mostly hate the female Miqo'te Seeker of the Sun because they never accept him as a Nunh when he challenge the last one and win. They said that he cheated his way into becoming a Nunh. So now he is on a mission to mostly humiliate all of them. He will use them to trade with slaver or anything else he can do to -remove- the pleasure and the freedom of those women.

 

So no I'm not looking for some ERP thing...:frustrated:

 

If all that was the case, then WHY did the opening post of this thread go like this:

 

So, Ive got Nunh im dealing with IC and he only takes payments in the form of Female Miqot'e if you know what i mean.

 

Not to mention that two later statements supposedly claimed:

 

lol, if you dont know what i mean, than your not the right 'woman' for the job 

 

Also to clarify, I had no idea what he wanted them for. I reqired his services and he demand kitty girls.

 

 

If you had no idea what he wanted them for, then why did you say these things? You barely discussed anything with the person you're trying to collect NPCs for? All of the phrasing you used seemed to imply something of the "bow-chika-bow-wow" nature, whether that was the intent or not. If you didn't know what Karaan wanted, then why post up a thread? Collect all of the necessary information first, then make your thread. Otherwise, people will jump to conclusions like they did. It doesn't get more basic than that.

 

Also... If the Nuhn in question is Karaan's character, and Karaan is the one who needed these characters to help further whatever plots you guys are collaborating on... then why didn't Karaan just make the thread himself? He would've explained his TRUE intentions way better than R'mah apparently did. And it would be one less thread to add to the several that R'mah has tossed up in the past couple of days. (Seriously, just compile EVERYTHING you want into a single thread. It's confusing and disorganized.)

 

My point is that if he had made the thread and phrased what he wanted exactly how he wanted it, or if he had given R'mah better instruction, the notion of ERP would not have arisen like it did. (I'm not saying it wouldn't have arisen at all, mind you. People still usually jump to the conclusion of "slave trade RP = ERP, herpderp!" like it or not. But if the lack of ERP was stated from the very beginning, we wouldn't be here right now.)

[R'mah]

Actully, I had the same assumption as everyone else. Which is the reason it was worded how it was. As for why I made the thread, you don't ask someone your paying to go find the payment there self. As for why I didn't ask more question, its not something my character dose and I was busy working on other ooc preperations. As for why I made many threads for my arc in planning, I wanted it to be easy to find the people who were intrested in preticipating when I had the chance to send them a message. As for the advertising it in this way, the nuhn in question would not accept my character as part of the agreement and I thought /tell ing random people wuold likely get complaints raised against me in game.

[Evie]

Another point that I think needs to be brought up. The RP forums are for RPers to get together and share ideas. As an RP community, even if you don't like an idea, you shouldn't tear apart a person from wanting to RP a certain way.

 

So slavery and torture really rubs you the wrong way when you RP. Fine, you are not required to RP such subjects. However that doesn't mean that you can't participate if the subject matter bothers you. We're all people and I guarantee a majority of us are really good, kind, and decent human beings. You can still participate, if something starts going a way you are uncomfortable with tell them. If they are decent RPers and beings they will stop. If they aren't, they aren't worth RPing with anyways and blacklist them. I would hazard a guess that there isn't a single person on this website who would continue to torture someone in RP if the person says OOC "(Hey I really can't handle this. Can we stop here and just assume XYZ happened? And then continue with the after the fact.)" It's the same concept if you are RPing a serious relationship with someone but you are uncomfortable actually ERPing, then you can use the "Fade to Black". If the person is a good RPer, they will respect your wishes and the RP needs to go no further with that particular subject.

 

The world is not a nice place in lore, there is examples of slavery and necromancy and probably much more. As fellow RPers we need to respect other RPers even if the direction of their particular story doesn't go down something that we'd normally participate in. You are not required to participate if something like the subject matter bothers you, but if you choose to have a serious discussion with the other RPers so you know what to expect and what you can or can't handle in the RP. There will be ways to work things out if you really want to RP with certain people.

 

I have done the Fade to Black several times over the course of my RPing. I have this really good friend who certain subjects bothered him in RP and when they came up, he'd just ask if we could stop there and pick up after. Nothing was lost, nothing was missed. We both really enjoyed our RP experiences together and created some amazing RP in the process.

 

Again we are here to support each other, there's plenty of people on the servers who don't support RPers (apparently there was a fight in shout in one of the main cities last night about how Balmung "isn't an RP server so people shouldn't RP"). So why start those fights here among are selves when we should be supporting each other as RPers.

[Faye]

First of all, I want to say that Karaan has been my friend and RP partner for over a year. I can tell you all the he isn't some kind of weird pervert, that he doesn't ERP (though there isn't anything inherently wrong with ERP, for the record), and that his RP's are developed and interesting with very elaborate plots. I would also like to mention that everything sexual or uncomfortable does not need to be played out--that you can "fade to black" instead. R'mah posted this thread instead of Karaan because she is the one looking for the female Seekers. Her character is the one delivering them to his character as payment.

 

For those freaking out about the content matter--if you don't like it, don't participate. Role-play is fiction. We are not our characters, and most of us enjoy playing characters who are very different than our real selves. Good villains make RP interesting. Just like there are foul people in the world, there should be foul people in the RP. Things like slavery, abuse, violence, rape, murder, etc. add a gritty sense of realism to the RP, darkness and drama. If you don't want to include any of those things in your RP, that's perfectly fine! Just realize this thread is looking for willing volunteers who know beforehand what they are getting into.

[Kismet]

Alright, I can understand she is the one doing the scouting. That's fine. The fact that she should have received better information of what Karaan needed still stands, though.

 

She can argue "my character wouldn't be the type to ask a lot of questions" or whatever, but you kind of can't organize something like this without a better description. I'm not saying you have to give the entire plot away. But do potential recruits need more than "I have a guy that seeks payment in the form of ladies, wink wink" to go on? Yes.

 

At the VERY least, the phrasing of it could've used some more tact.

 

Note: Just wanted to state, again, that I do not care about the ERP thing at all. I'm just talking about how a misunderstanding easily could have been avoided if someone just bothered to ask a question or two...

[LiadansWhisper]

Even if it was for ERP, why does anyone care?

 

If you don't want to be involved, don't be.  If you do want to be involved, be involved!  Otherwise, this seems like a lot of judgmental silliness.  :dodgy:

[ArmachiA]

It's a forum, we're allowed to voice whether or not we think it's squicky. Maybe they don't realize it's kinda Squicky and everyone going "This is weird" will make them put a little more thought into it, because that first post is not clear at all.

[Faye]

What Liadan said. It's not "squicky." Would it matter if it was? If you don't want to do it, don't. This thread was asking for volunteers, not for opinions.

[LiadansWhisper]

It's a forum, we're allowed to voice whether or not we think it's squicky. Maybe they don't realize it's kinda Squicky and everyone going "This is weird" will make them put a little more thought into it, because that first post is not clear at all.

 

This is totally true!

 

However, I reserve the right to say that people who get butthurt about ERP (again, not saying that you are) are silly.

[R'mah]

I think the main point is, everyone has the option not to click on the thread if they don't care for the title. The title was worded to grab attention and that it did.

[Michikyou]

...okay, when I thought this was just about ERP, I thought this was tacky. The actual explanation is way worse than "oh I'm playing the big Nunh on campus and want a sexy harem of sexy catgirls".

 

Like, to clarify, I'm not against ERP. I suppose that point might have gotten lost when sparky_ff7f had his thread deleted and my comments there were lost, but ultimately, it's a facet of roleplaying and something people enjoy. It's not my business to tell people to not ERP or anything like that. What I'm against is people trying to treat other people like objects to be traded, whether it's a sex thing or a power thing. This is the latter, and that's straight-up nasty.

 

It's also a part of the setting.  Slavery is a terrible thing, and we know from quest text and lore that it happens every day in Eorzea.

 

 

Slaveyr is a terrible thing, but it is a social norm in eorzea so we should act icly as if it is normal. We can bee against it but that isn't the massive norm.

 

I don't see why people can't seperate their IC and OOC feelings about matters like this.

 

As for the ERP RP? who cares? Sex is a part of lfe. I doubt she/he is going to spend most of ehr time confined in a seperate space to erp all day. ERP is such a little miniscule part of a characters romance it doesnt define them.

[Naunet]

Slaveyr is a terrible thing, but it is a social norm in eorzea so we should act icly as if it is normal. We can bee against it but that isn't the massive norm.

 

I would not go quite so far as to say slavery is a "social norm" in Eorzea. I'd reckon is has just as much stigma to reasonable Eorzeans as it does for most people in real life. That doesn't mean slavery doesn't exist, but I'm fairly certain it is illegal.

[Michikyou]

Slaveyr is a terrible thing, but it is a social norm in eorzea so we should act icly as if it is normal. We can bee against it but that isn't the massive norm.

 

I would not go quite so far as to say slavery is a "social norm" in Eorzea. I'd reckon is has just as much stigma to reasonable Eorzeans as it does for most people in real life. That doesn't mean slavery doesn't exist, but I'm fairly certain it is illegal.

 

guess I have new lore to hunt for in game when I log back in.

 

I'm more amused by the fact that as soon as any person starts asking for 'Female X race', the whole community explodes with 'ERP is bad' or 'ERP is not bad!'. Its childish. Like trying to teach children how to say Vagina or Penis without them giggling.

[Ilwe'ran]

I find quite disturbing that the one who is (in the end) looking for some female Seeker only did answer after 3 days and 32 messages.

During all that time, people were thinking about eRP but that's not the problem. Problem is people could (and probably did) contact some others without knowing what will really happen to them. I believe that being humiliated, sold, treated as a slave, even only in RP, can be quite disturbing if you don't know in what situation you're going to be engaged and think, instead, that it will be eRP.

 

It's always important to keep in mind that there are people behind the character and you have to be perfectly clear OOC for those kind of things before ending to restrain another player freedom to say yes or no to a situation. With so few informations at the begining (with or without conclusion about eRP) you can end to restrain someone else freedom, disturb him or completly break their character.

This is why I will always be against some rape in RP. For the simple reason that not respecting the freedom of the other player to say yes or no to some RP is completly disrespectful and problematic for me (of course, it isn't if the player agreed OOC).

 

I have no problem with the fact that some character want to do something bad to another IC. I have if the informations are not crystal clear and if, in the end, someone get in a situation he wouldn't like to be. So, if you really want to do something hurtful to another one IC (even if it's only RP), don't forget to be crystal clear in your intentions and don't wait 3 days, 33 messages and a lot of misunderstanding to finally talk.

 

PS : I completly agree with Kismet, the reason why people misunderstood is not because they are idiots, it's because of the one that made the topic who confused everybody in the first place.

[Evie]

This may be just me, but if I'm interested in RP I generally talk to the person who is planning it and ask questions of them first. I want to make sure that the RP will be enjoyable for not only me but also for them and if our characters are completely not going to mesh then I'll say "You know, as much as I want to do this, I don't think it's good for my character. I wish you luck in finding someone more appropriate." It is an online experience. There is no one there in the room with you forcing you to do something you don't want to. If things happen RPly that you don't like, walk away. If someone tries to force you to RP, blacklist them. If they continue in the RP despite saying stop report them for harassment. There are so many things that you can do to protect yourself against harassing RP. If someone tries to get you to do something you don't want ret-con meeting that character and have it as if it never happens. You draw the lines and there should be NO WAY possible for someone to force you to RP something you don't want to.

 

I find quite disturbing that the one who is (in the end) looking for some female Seeker only did answer after 3 days and 32 messages.

 

Also with this you are assuming that the person, Karaan, who wants the female characters in the end actually checks this website regularly. Maybe he doesn't and only got on because someone mentioned it to him.

[Karaan]

I mostly check everyday this website, but this week it is my final week (exam and paper and oral and shit..and no fund I want a die Mommy!) kind of week. So I didn't check on it until yesterday when I saw...well all those messages...

[Ilwe'ran]

If things happen RPly that you don't like, walk away. If someone tries to force you to RP, blacklist them. If they continue in the RP despite saying stop report them for harassment. There are so many things that you can do to protect yourself against harassing RP. If someone tries to get you to do something you don't want ret-con meeting that character and have it as if it never happens. You draw the lines and there should be NO WAY possible for someone to force you to RP something you don't want to.

 

As long as there is a "victim" in any case when it's RP, the victim should give his consent OOC. That's my own opinion.

Unfortunatly we're not in a situation where you can protect yourself that easily when your char is a "victim" and it's not that because you can /blist those people that it's not disturbing. For me it's only about respect and some people forget that and are quite selfish in their attitude.

 

I find quite disturbing that the one who is (in the end) looking for some female Seeker only did answer after 3 days and 32 messages.

 

Also with this you are assuming that the person, Karaan, who wants the female characters in the end actually checks this website regularly. Maybe he doesn't and only got on because someone mentioned it to him.

 

With this I assume that Karaan should have made that thread himself and/or being crystal clear at the very begining with R'mah about what he wanted to do with those female Seeker since it's HIS responsability.