So, another noob question.

[Aaron]

Well actually, it may not be a noob question.  . . I dunno. .  Ima ask anyway. . . OK THEN.

 

The question involves the "special snowflake" aspect 90% of our character (including me) have regarding fighting capabilities. It seems that it's in human nature to want to be the "strongest" or "most badass" and in a sense im sure we all went down that road before. If you haven't then grats! 

 

Ok. So people who know Aaron IC might have noticed that lately he's been wearing a eye patch over his left eye and has been very uncomfortable with fighting even moreso than usual to the point he bailed fearfully out of his grindstone match against Raik yesterday. Some OOC information before I ask the question, Aaron has a new ability and from in game feedback OOC (My friend Nik but then again he thinks everything is OP lol Niklas im joking) and from IC feedback from the rare few people Aaron did show so far im thinking it MIGHT be a little over the top. I dunno, but I really like the idea because it involves his Ceruleum poisoning and I think it's creative.

 

Ok shutting up now, my question is, to the people IC that are borderline voidsent or science experiments and all that. How do you go about showing people your "ability" if you put it. One of Aarons friends said if used right people would accept him and another friend said Aarons "skill" was borderline like he was tempered. I just don't want to go overboard with it cause I think it may have more strengths than weaknesses idk. 

 

If this'll help anyone in making a decision. I mostly will only use this for PvE content rp over PvP unless the other person agrees to it.

 

Aarons skill is, he found a way to channel the Ceruleum ravaging his body into what it intentionally was made for, a fuel source. And focused it into a part of his body that made it easier to channel as fuel which became his left eye. It turned red as a coloration of all that stuff in his blood however as of now Aaron can't turn it off. When he takes the eye patch off his eye starts to drain his "fuel" in order to "sharpen and edge" his ice aether to something about as sharp as obsidian or broken glass yet flexible. This gives him the ability to create umm we'll call em tails, up to 3 or 4 of them that sprout from about the waist on his lower back. The tails are basically like glass cannons, their damage is frightfully effective (IC one impaled a man right through the chest and suspended him up in the air. Like it went CLEAN through his gut) but they're brittle as a toddler when attacked. (A NIN he fought managed to crack all 4 tails with a katon and a raiton completely shattered one.) And once their destroyed they can't come back for a few hours. 

 

I really made this ability for development though, right now Aaron IC is scared and feels like people will kill him if they so much as see this so he's like batshit afraid to fight right now. If you tried to beat him up in QS right now he most likely wouldn't even fight back. 

 

Anyway back to my question. When using stuff like this IC how far is TOO FAR ? Like if Aaron was in the QS and a guy attacking him knocked his eye patch off. That'd get him killed if the tails showed right? 

 

And in my defense should people say I've been Godmoding I've seen a LOT more OP stuff being used by other people and it being ok. Like one time out in gridania I stumbled upon a guy "dropping a small comet" onto his enemy. I don't see my idea as OP if used right. But then again this is coming from the guy who watches OP stuff every day (looking at you Anime)

 

Yea, I just kept walking. 

 

Any help greatly appreciated btw

 

EDIT IN RESPONSE TO STEEL WOLF - Since the XIV lore seems to derive off FF7 I basically see Ceruleum as Mako Energy. Both convert lifestream/aether to power and are both volatile to humans in large amounts etc etc.

[Oli!]

This seems like the sort of thing that has the potential to turn into one of those Topics of DOOOOOOOM, so as a result this might turn away from the answers that you want and more towards a debate on the merits of this sort of thing.

 

Nevertheless, I'll format my thoughts over some breakfast and post here when I have time to.

[Aaron]

Ya ima make it clear prematurely 

 

Everyone remember im really only using this for PvE UNLESS in PvP the other person AGREES.

 

 

PvE is a lot easier for this stuff right? >_>

[Oli!]

Ya ima make it clear prematurely 

 

Everyone remember im really only using this for PvE UNLESS in PvP the other person AGREES.

 

 

PvE is a lot easier for this stuff right? >_>

 

 

 

It's more of a conceptual argument that is completely separate from whether or not you're using it against other people, really.

[Aaron]

Well I fail at conceptual stuff. Or maybe I don't. 

 

I just wanna see feedback because I see a lot of stuff people have that far outshine this ability wise.

[Steel Wolf]

*comet lands in the middle of the street*

"Just another day in Ul'dah. Freakin' Thaumaturges."

 

 

On point...so it sounds like to me that you've interacted with folks who have been exposed to and reacted appropriately to these "tails" you're referring. I'm not entirely sure how one can apply that in a PvE situation, unless one of your abilities is being subbed in?

 

Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions, that wasn't made completely clear to me.

 

I find the origin of this whole thing a bit oddball, but not outside of the realm of possibility I suppose. I'm not sure how ceruleum has been applied as far as being a source for augmentation. I know it to be a power source for machinery and that's kind of about it, so perhaps this sort of thing is what would happen if augmentation were possible?

 

Though, tails? Interesting....

 

I'd say that, perhaps, since you've got people who have already been exposed to that ability is to stick with them, and perhaps include someone whom you've recently met to your character's ability in a controlled environment if you believe they'd be comfortable with the revelation...but only after you've spent a fair deal of time interacting.

 

Being afraid of one's power and exercising the will and diligence to maintain it has been a defining characteristic of lots of heroes, so that part makes sense, obviously...and if that's the sort of character you're trying to write and enjoy writing, then have at it.

 

Just my .02 here, really. <3

[Aaron]

Lol ikr? Im like, you just walk by a BAM a comet drops.

 

Also I edited my opening to answer your Ceruleum question. It's tbh basically like Mako Energy except no one here has been injected with it lore wise in FF XIV

 

As for pve I mean like you know those battles where it's a small group vs a ton of NPCs or something.

 

And Aaron isn't a hero, it's just that Ceruleum basically dictates everything he does. It's like a big flaw

[Steel Wolf]

And Aaron isn't a hero, it's just that Ceruleum basically dictates everything he does. It's like a big flaw

 

Well, that was more in reference to the archetype you were writing.

 

So you're not working off an established lore precedent...that might make some people discontent. Again, I need to read up on the lore on how ceruleum works to know if this sort of thing is within the realm of potential. My first thought without further reading is that the only society in Eorzea that would have been capable of this sort of tech are the Allagans...which, again, is a red flag for some folks, considering Allagan tech is under very tight lockdown. But then again, there's been plenty of breakouts from Garlemald and Ishgard in terms of characters created, so...

 

I dunno, someone more versed than me about this will probably provide more valuable opinion than mine. It seems like its reasonable, but only barely just as it's written right now.

[Oli!]

Here's my opinion.

 

Is it over the top? Yes. Should you turn it down? Also yes. I haven't come across a lot of Lore on Ceruleum other than it crystallizes in response to aether and is pretty much just Petrol, so I'm not the person to talk to for Lore Holes. Regardless, I'm one of the people that prefers the "you could, but sometimes you shouldn't" line of thinking. As exemplified by the previous posts, although a thaumaturge could technically call down fireballs of death from the sky, actually doing it is somewhat ridiculous and frowned upon. You don't need a super crazy power to tell a tale of internal struggle.

 

To address the idea of other people having more over the top powers, I would say that thinking along the "everyone's doing it!" path just leads to a world where everyone is a god and (according to my personal viewpoint) everything is awful.

 

Yes, there's always the "it's your RP, do what you want" camp, and the very nature of that thought makes it unassailable without seeming like a huge elitist or jerk or whatever else. But I feel it needs reminding that RP is a collaborative activity. You can do whatever you want, but there are other people sharing the space, too. If you're throwing your power around, even if it's only against NPCs, you could be affecting others in a way that they don't want to be effected.

[Aaron]

Here's my opinion.

 

Is it over the top? Yes. Should you turn it down? Also yes. I haven't come across a lot of Lore on Ceruleum other than it crystallizes in response to aether and is pretty much just Petrol, so I'm not the person to talk to for Lore Holes. Regardless, I'm one of the people that prefers the "you could, but sometimes you shouldn't" line of thinking. As exemplified by the previous posts, although a thaumaturge could technically call down fireballs of death from the sky, actually doing it is somewhat ridiculous and frowned upon. You don't need a super crazy power to tell a tale of internal struggle.

 

To address the idea of other people having more over the top powers, I would say that thinking along the "everyone's doing it!" path just leads to a world where everyone is a god and (according to my personal viewpoint) everything is awful.

 

Yes, there's always the "it's your RP, do what you want" camp, and the very nature of that thought makes it unassailable without seeming like a huge elitist or jerk or whatever else. But I feel it needs reminding that RP is a collaborative activity. You can do whatever you want, but there are other people sharing the space, too. If you're throwing your power around, even if it's only against NPCs, you could be affecting others in a way that they don't want to be effected.

Don't worry about the Ceruleum lore, you will not find anything other than it's used a a fuel source. I know I've tried to look myself. Thing is, I once proposed a idea of why Aaron was poisoned with it and why he didn't cause a nuclear explosion (it involved aether starved Mor Dhona) and everyone here who read the thread was ok with it.

 

If you search you'll still find it. It's called "Mako Energy and the Lifestream" and it was me just making sure that the lore basically was FF7 revamped. Aether is basically the Lifestream, Ceruleum other than the fact it explodes if it outright meets aether is basically Mako Energy. Gaius is a wanna be Sephiroth dropping stuff on the planet and everyone has aether sickness like a weak Geostigma. 

 

I personally don't see anything too far from lore with it honestly. It's not to the point its comparable to a THM dropping comets on the ground. If anything it's actually just a modification of how one would use their own aspect aether in battle.

 

It's not me doing the "everyone is doing it logic" just moreso me comparing how far my idea is from others. Cause to be frank, nothing in lore says anything against using element aether or modifying it to different stages. Use glass cannon tails of ice seems a lot more reasonable than a THM pulling a comet out the sky or a fire user pulling a Ifrit scale fire attack.

 

And the PvE would be with very specific people. Not me just jumping into some rp with people getting attacked and forcefully putting it in theirs. Lol that'd be dumb of me.

[Aaron]

Found the post

The Lifestream is canon to both FFVII and FFXIV. The Lifestream in XIV, like VII, is the lifeblood of the planet. It flows in specific currents beneath the surface of the world and feeds all life. I talked a little more recently about aether in this thread on Teleporting.

But you are right, XIV draws very heavily from VII throughout. To the point where a fair argument could be made that Makoand Aether are one in the same. It's been a long time since I've played VII though, so I won't try to make any specific distinctions between the two right now. Actually, now that I think about it, wasn't Mako refined lifestream juice? Like the bigMako refineries in Midgar? If that's the case, Mako would be equivalent to XIV's ceruleum, which is refined aether.

Suffice it to say that Aether is the lifeblood of the planet Hydaelyn and all living things. When we die, our Aether returns to theLifestream and is carried back to Silvertear Lake in Mor Dhona (think Iifa Tree in IX) where it passes to the Aetherial Plane, before returning to the Physical Plane as new Life.

In 1.0, the natural cycle of the Lifestream was interrupted by the falling of Dalamud, where, the very lifestream ebbed away from it's natural course and fed Dalamud instead. Which is why the planet was dying and couldn't support the summoning ofthe Twelve at the Battle of Carteneau. To expend what little aether remained in the planet would have killed Hydaelyn.  

As far as Midgar in XIV, maybe you're thinking of Midgardsormr? Though, related to what we're talking about, Midgardsormr was the Keeper of Silvertear Lake and guardian of the fount of all aether in Hydaelyn.

EDIT: Also, Nael van Darnus = Sephiroth. Final Fantasy's favorite villain has already been Fourteen-afied. Meteor project, bringing down the moon, walking through some really hot fire and laughing about it... yep, all Nael van Sephiroth's doing. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Oli!]

 

I personally don't see anything too far from lore with it honestly. It's not to the point its comparable to a THM dropping comets on the ground. ...

 

It's not me doing the "everyone is doing it logic" just moreso me comparing how far my idea is from others. Cause to be frank, nothing in lore says anything against using element aether or modifying it to different stages. Use glass cannon tails of ice seems a lot more reasonable than a THM pulling a comet out the sky or a fire user pulling a Ifrit scale fire attack.

 

 

This is what I'm getting at, here.

 

Could you? Yes. Should you? Questionable. Thaumaturges dropping meteors is actually in the game. That doesn't mean that it's something that a lot of people like to see. Since we don't have any lore that says yes or no, it's less about whether or not it's doable, and more about whether it should be done. Meteors? So doable it's a move in the game. But people don't think it's a good thing to do.

 

Same thing here, at least to me. Plausible? Yes. But having super sharp tails that can impale people and cut through armor probably isn't a good move. Sure, you could break the tails, but even if I mentioned you could dodor the meteor, that still probably wouldn't change many minds on that skill's application.

[Aaron]

 

I personally don't see anything too far from lore with it honestly. It's not to the point its comparable to a THM dropping comets on the ground. ...

 

It's not me doing the "everyone is doing it logic" just moreso me comparing how far my idea is from others. Cause to be frank, nothing in lore says anything against using element aether or modifying it to different stages. Use glass cannon tails of ice seems a lot more reasonable than a THM pulling a comet out the sky or a fire user pulling a Ifrit scale fire attack.

 

 

This is what I'm getting at, here.

 

Could you? Yes. Should you? Questionable. Thaumaturges dropping meteors is actually in the game. That doesn't mean that it's something that a lot of people like to see. Since we don't have any lore that says yes or no, it's less about whether or not it's doable, and more about whether it should be done. Meteors? So doable it's a move in the game. But people don't think it's a good thing to do.

 

Same thing here, at least to me. Plausible? Yes. But having super sharp tails that can impale people and cut through armor probably isn't a good move. Sure, you could break the tails, but even if I mentioned you could dodor the meteor, that still probably wouldn't change many minds on that skill's application.

Hmm you do make a good point.  . However if I did do PvP with that people could still dodge etc, I used the idea in a IC fight and Aarons opponent took out all four tails after a good battle and she dodged em relatively easy. Where unlike dodging a comet is possible. Lol, yes people will probably think I wanna be a special snowflake and all that jazz but I tend to only focus on one thing, I use the "less special is more special" take to rp with my character and all.

 

In the end, I'm taking in account all the feedback here and I'll probably test it out in game with afew more friends who are a lot better at rp than me lol. See how it works out. So far it hasn't been tagged as definite op. Maybe just people aren't used to seeing this kind of idea?

[Unnamed Mercenary]

Gaius is a wanna be Sephiroth

 

I think you mean Nael van Darnus. Gaius van Baelsar was against dropping Dalamud onto Eorzea. (Remember, your average Garlean just wants you to live under their rule, not be dead! Nael pretty much went 'well if we can't beat/have Eorzea, we'll just blow it up.)

 

OK, now to actually answer things. Hopefully, my just-woken-up brain is functioning.

 

As a person RPing a failed science experiment (the science worked, but it wasn't stable enough and the others either died, or were killed) who could have a lot of OP-ness, I've found I generally try to avoid RPing it out at all costs with random people. In a controlled and small group of people I know and have discussed OOC concerns with? Sure. They can see how broken Franz is. To the open-world? ....not unless SE magically decides to say what I've done exactly is lore-friendly. (Although, the recent Shiva plots in 2.4 have worked wonders for my lore-stabbing and have given me a few possible routes to explain what was done in a semi-lore-friendly manner)

 

In regards to the ice ability, I'm thinking it works almost like Vectors in Elfen Lied (it's an anime. Boobs and lots of violence warning if you google it). In this regard, I would want to ask how much control Aaron would have of it ICly. I mean, a creepy eye is one thing. Sprouting a bunch of tails/tentacles of ice is weird, but possibly something some arcanist-thaumaturge could accomplish. Losing control and stabbing the attacker immediately? Could get difficult. I would probably limit using them with people you know, or who are comfortable with such things first. As more people would get exposed to it, you could then maybe start using it out in the open for more public events. I've more or less had Franz's OP stuff ready since about late-spring, and it only just now has started making appearances out of the smallest groups of people.

 

--

Side note: Special-snowflaking mindset

 

This is the second occurrence I've seen someone cite that "most of the community wants to be a special snowflake", but I think I'd have to disagree. If anything, what we've seen through people's reactions in other threads, posts, and general RP behavior is that anything that get's too over the top will end up causing flame wars on the forums, and avoidance in game. As such, people do tend to avoid being "that guy/girl who's extra-special". Remember, we're only the main-character of our own stories. We're but only side-characters to the other people. A special-snowflake character would imply you're also the main-character (or acting like one) in someone else's story, and that can cause a lot of toes being stepped on. 

 

While I wouldn't say the general mindset is to play a bunch of average-person NPCs, using abilities beyond what we see NPCs doing leads to the WoL/special snowflake route. Having a unique character is good. Everyone needs a personality and something to make them stand out. Crazy abilities that cannot be explained away in the lore tend to distance the heavy-RPers, as there are no grounds or logical order to it. My consensus is that I'd encourage you to find something that hits more of a middle ground. The idea is cool, but to someone who's going to be very strict on the lore, they will eat you alive. 

 

--

Other side note: Any THM casting a meteor/flare should be looked at oddly. Those are -extremely- high-level spells that implies perfect mastery of THM, and definitely some BLM, which does rely on void magic which has fallen out of practice. As such, they should be incredibly rare. It's just as lore-breaking to be casting a spell to crash a comet down. I tend to think of it this way: Your average person (even trained/educated) probably isn't much higher leveled that say, 30. Let's remember that a bunch of late-teens and 20-somethings wouldn't compare in combat training to the seasoned adventurers who are possibly twice their age. (Even if it pretty much describes every FF character from 7 onwards)

[Aaron]

Yeah, Nael lol my bad. And thanks for the input!  I'll probably take your route and keep it to a tight circle of people (maybe throw it out there to a stranger if IC Aaron is near in a dire situation). I don't plan to go around IC telling everyone that Aaron has some weird ass ability. 

 

As for the Elfeim lied anime, yes lol I've seen it. My concept was a little more akin to Tokyo Ghoul with the scaled tails and all that. But in a sense I guess they're the same. 

 

As for how much control Aaron would have, well it'd really depend on his physical state. A well rested and calm Aaron would have pretty much full control over a insomnia ridden and scared Aaron. It'd also get out of control the longer he went using it as it's very taxing to use. But more often than not he wouldn't be berserk unless he absolutely had a screw loose.

 

I appreciate the feedback, nice to know you found a way to do it perfect.

[Warren Castille]

Regarding the spruced-up FF7 lore:

 

Take it with a grain of salt. XIV's lore set out from the get-go to be reminiscent of older games and homage them as well. Ceruleum draws parallels to the Lifestream and mako, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the same with some minor retconning.

 

Meteor being a spell that's usable by players is similarly questionable. After all, it's NOT just black mages who have access to this ability. Summoners who have specialized in conjuring forth the essence of a Primal can... also apparently wrest lesser rocks out of space? Wait, what? That doesn't make a lick of sense!

 

...just like it doesn't make sense that a monk, a specialist in hand to hand and spiritual chakras, can unleash their ultimate attack in the form of... a dozen giant sword chops from a manifested weapon of pure energy. Wait, where was that in the manual...?

 

I think we'd all be better off if we stopped considering Limit Breaks as canon abilities.

 

**

Regarding Aaron, you hit the nail on the head. You've revealed the ability to some people and they've been content to work with it. You can't ever please everybody, so wondering how you can make it work for random Quicksand RP isn't viable. In your example of some guy randomly plucking off the eyepatch, it would be more reasonable for your character to overreact and duck out of the way, maybe lose his cool (hee, puns) and get very defensive over the attempt. "In-house" RP works great for these sort of asides, in my experience.

 

If I wrote into my backstory that Warren was an immovable object of perfect defense and could never be seriously harmed in combat (ignore my Grindstone record for the sake of this hypothetical), that wouldn't fly with anyone in "real" RP; I could never expect the Quicksand to take it seriously and I'd just be accused of godmoding. If, though, I was RPing in a smaller circle and it came out that Warren was cursed to never be bested in combat or something, that's workable with a group.

 

tl;dr If you've got magic psychic ice powers, don't bust them out in public unless you want OOC bitching and complaining. There's no precedent for anything like that in the game at all, and while it's not unreasonable, it's not reasonable either.

[Aaron]

Yeah I plan to go that route now.  A few people said it was interesting to deal with so I think I'll keep it. 

 

Thanks for the input as always also lol

[Mahorela]

Here comes the fun police. I am one of those people that has a sort of mental 'point chart' for my characters. Based on age and back story I figure I allow a character a certain amount of skills and varying levels of proficiency. I'll use my own character for an example.

 

Tasa is about 45 years old. She's been swinging an axe for about 30 of them and has killed a lot of people and survived a lot of shit to get where she is. So.. She gets a lot of points, but only for combat stuff. To make it simple, let's say she has 30 points. 1 for each year she was active. It takes 10 points to be a master of something soo..

 

10 into axing stuff, 10 into being strong, and 10 in the 'I can take a hit and keep going' thing. This also plays into her being a warrior IC and having this inner beast that further compliments the kind of character I want to create. She's a hulking berserker that can pretty much level an army with an axe... And little else. She knows jack about fist fighting, can't shoot a bow worth a damn, and is useless for magic.

 

Onto the topic at hand. I view these kinds of things as "Unfair points" that get added to a character. You not only have your original abilities, but you also have this Deus ex Machina feeling ability that could be seen as a 'I don't feel like losing' thing. I appreciate you're using it mostly for PvE, but if you tried to pull this on me in an IC fight I'd probably have a few questions for you.

 

Also.. This is just a personal note, but why tails? It just... I dunno, I guess Naruto has really soured the whole tail thing but I just see it as one of those anime tropes that kinda just feels forced. If they were these hard, deadly claws or blades along his body, it'd seem more fitting.. But tails?

 

Ultimately, it is your choice to add what you want to your character and, trust me, we all add silly things from time to time that make us happy. That's the real point, enjoy yourself. I'm someone who enjoys realistic, easy to balance characters because I like a good text fight once in awhile. If you enjoy something more epic and anime and memorable, good on ya~! It's just not really my thing.

[Aaron]

Here comes the fun police. I am one of those people that has a sort of mental 'point chart' for my characters. Based on age and back story I figure I allow a character a certain amount of skills and varying levels of proficiency. I'll use my own character for an example.

 

Tasa is about 45 years old. She's been swinging an axe for about 30 of them and has killed a lot of people and survived a lot of shit to get where she is. So.. She gets a lot of points, but only for combat stuff. To make it simple, let's say she has 30 points. 1 for each year she was active. It takes 10 points to be a master of something soo..

 

10 into axing stuff, 10 into being strong, and 10 in the 'I can take a hit and keep going' thing. This also plays into her being a warrior IC and having this inner beast that further compliments the kind of character I want to create. She's a hulking berserker that can pretty much level an army with an axe... And little else. She knows jack about fist fighting, can't shoot a bow worth a damn, and is useless for magic.

 

Onto the topic at hand. I view these kinds of things as "Unfair points" that get added to a character. You not only have your original abilities, but you also have this Deus ex Machina feeling ability that could be seen as a 'I don't feel like losing' thing. I appreciate you're using it mostly for PvE, but if you tried to pull this on me in an IC fight I'd probably have a few questions for you.

 

Also.. This is just a personal note, but why tails? It just... I dunno, I guess Naruto has really soured the whole tail thing but I just see it as one of those anime tropes that kinda just feels forced. If they were these hard, deadly claws or blades along his body, it'd seem more fitting.. But tails?

 

Ultimately, it is your choice to add what you want to your character and, trust me, we all add silly things from time to time that make us happy. That's the real point, enjoy yourself. I'm someone who enjoys realistic, easy to balance characters because I like a good text fight once in awhile. If you enjoy something more epic and anime and memorable, good on ya~! It's just not really my thing.

Ew Naruto? Lol no. This,

 

One thing to make claws badass, whole nother thing to make a tail badass.

[Mahorela]

Snip for justice

Ew Naruto? Lol no. This,

 

One thing to make claws badass, whole nother thing to make a tail badass.

Almost looks like scorpion tails. Kinda neat, was mentally picturing a midlander dude in ninja armor with 4 icy fox tails channeling DBZ, but that's just me. I guess the idea of making something unique, if it works, is tempting. I'm still just wondering why, from your character's perspective, if he even has control over it, he would choose to have these extra limbs to fight with instead of just like.. Great swords coming out of his arms. Seems like something that would require some training since I doubt fighting with them is as easy as throwing in a few extra twirls while swinging around whatever weapon it is your character has chosen for himself. Especially true if your character uses a spear or something. I can see him standing a good few yards out of his spear length then suddenly channeling the energy down the hilt for unexpected bursts of range. Hmm.. Sounds kinda like a black mage with a polearm, now that'd be a sight~ Jumplars live again!

[Aaron]

LMFAO! You pictured ninja fox + dbz tails?

 

Ew no o_o lol

 

And turning arms into stuff like that would probably make me (and him) feel like a cyborg.