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I <3 you Gerik.

What reference?

Pretty much seals the Arcanist deal for me too.

I think that's creepier than even the horse mask meme. Good job.

Oh~ I like that Nhyra.

We don't actually know how leadership is handled with Seekers or Keepers. The only information they've given us is how the Tia/Nuhn dynamic works and its relation to naming conventions. If Vareal wants to be from a tribe that uses a tribunal to decide leadership or that leadership is passed from chief to the chiefs favored offspring, he's entirely free to do so. There's really no reason to be so aggressively critical towards Vareal about his background. This community is for bringing RPers together correct? There's a lot of different styles of roleplay and everyone has different standards and ideas about backgrounds. Vareal's is a little more heroic and unlikely than most, but it's entirely possible to offer some helpful criticism without being so aggressively negative. Having disagreements and debates over what the lore is is totally fine, and something I actually enjoy, but hostility towards others use of the lore (assuming it's not obviously lore-breaking) is detrimental to keeping that community open and thriving. This place isn't meant to be a litmus test for character background validity enforced by the community (at least, I sincerely hope it's not meant to be), so please relax. My advice to you Vareal is, as Eva said, to keep things open to change, my own addition to that is that simple is usually better, as it's always much easier to add to a background later on than it is to justify things down the road. I don't think you're doing anything inherently wrong here, although I do think his age at the time of his ascension to leadership is a little low if he's also a late bloomer in terms of development. If he were even slightly older this would be largely mitigated.

Is very pretty~

I do enjoy the grey skin that Keepers could pull off in 1.0. I don't think Seekers could do that, but I didn't mess around with their palettes much back then. They did have the more human warmth type skin tones, and I recall that Keepers really couldn't be peachy-pale, their pale was akin to paraffin wax, to the point of bearing an ill pallor in some lighting.

I have beta access, how do I gain access to the forum? Edit: lol, so not thinking straight. I think it's about time I go to bed. For a moment I thought you were talking about a beta forum here on the ffxiv-roleplayers.com.

You're right in that there's no reason to conclude that Seeker males actively possess a harem, but I don't see where you're getting that the females have to compete with one another to be with a Nuhn, or that men are simply trophy objects in Seeker society (though that may be the case with Keepers, who are described as being "highly matriarchal").

And there we see why proper grammar is so important when it comes to official sources! I feel that you're attempting to trivialize my position on the matter by saying that it can be only be held by being a stickler for grammar, but that isn't true, if Gildrein meant to imply that infrequent male birth was consistent across both Miqo'te clans then he did so rather ineffectively, wouldn't you agree? As it stands we have the term race and how you believe it's been used consistently by SE versus the placement and phrasing of the information presented. Given the reasoning that the both of you posted I admit that there's some validity to casting doubt on my conclusion about Keeper and Seeker males. However, I still haven't seen or read anything that effectively erases all ambiguity on the subject with certainty. What was presented by Gildrein was done so poorly and your assertion that the way the term race is used by SE is as you stated extrapolation. I assure you I am quite loosened up and am very open to the idea that I'm simply wrong about this, but if you mean to badger me into accepting your position as the truth of it and that there's no validity to questioning your conclusion that all Miqo'te males are born less frequently than females, then I'll have you know that you're wasting your time because as it stands it's ambiguous until we get more from SE, and sadly we've a few weeks until phase 3 yet.

Exploration of gender identity, even in something like RP, is always super interesting to me. I look forward to reading more about your character.

I understand your reasoning and you make a good point that's changing my understanding of it in a way, but I don't think it's reasonable to make the assumption the use of the term was a company wide, conscious decision on the part of SE's English speaking staff to use this and all other terminology a certain way. We're after all talking about one post by one community representative on a forum subsection that may or may not be of particularly high priority for SE in terms of ARR's development at the moment. There are a dozen unanswered questions on the lore forum, you could find among them a post I made asking to clarify aspects of Keeper lore that was made very shortly after the lore forum opened. That post, like many others, was left unanswered by any persons with authority. So I see no reason to inquire there again before phase 3. I suppose all I can claim with any certainty is that the way they've presented this bit of lore is flawed in that it allows room for ambiguity and disagreements like this one.

The reality or myth of race is a discussion ill suited for a message board focused on roleplaying in an MMORPG, so I'll pass on that. I do agree that the term 'race' as it's used in the common parlance is outright fictitious from a scientific point of view, however in this case I don't think Gildrein's usage of the word in the Miqo'te naming conventions post on the official lore forum is considering any scientific quantification of the term. Here, Gildrein is using the term 'race' to identify Keepers and Seekers as distinctly different cultural groups. In my earlier post I was using the word 'race' as it's commonly applied so that I would be clearly understood. Refer to the link here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/61150-Miqo-te-Naming-Conventions the details about males being born less are found under the 'Keeper of the Moon' header. Again, I will quote the source directly: If the intention of the word race is meant to be used here to apply to all Miqo'te and not only Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te then Gildrein is doing a very poor job of presenting it. Going beyond that, if male Seekers are also as uncommonly born as male Keepers, then why would the Nuhn/Tia dynamic develop in their culture? It seems to me that in order for that competition to be necessary, Seeker males would have to be more common. It's possible that I'm wrong on this, but given how it's presented and what little information we have I see no reason to believe that Seeker males are as uncommon as Keeper males unless more lore is revealed that directly contradicts what we have so far. In fact I've been waiting before posting any concrete background information about my own characters for this very reason.

They are a separate race. They have distinct traits shared among the population that is not found in Seekers, and the note of them being rare is presented as follows: It's referring specifically to Keeper of the Moon males. I took it as meaning that Keeper males were rare and that Seeker males had a higher birth rate - hence the competition among them for the status of Nuhn.

We'll go with magic pasties.

As I understood it, the low birthrate only applies for male Keepers of the Moon.

It's very pretty and I'm spending way too much time trying to figure out how the top would work IRL.

It looks like they've managed to implement a hairstyle for male Miqo'te that I actually like, thank goodness.

Rhynka, I don't think the problem you ran into had anything to do with the lore. It just seems like you ran into an immature asshole who tried to break down the IC/OOC barrier.

It sounds as if you just haven't run into other MMORPG role-players that posses a similar style to your own style. Role playing runs the gamut, from those who are looking for in the moment fun where every scene must be full of adventure and excitement or it's simply just boring, to the more reserved types who want to explore what the more day to day life of a character living in a speculative fiction world would be like. There's the dramatically minded, the comically minded, the erotically minded, et cetera~ Obviously there's a lot of different styles of role play out there, and none of them are inherently better or worse. You're only doing it wrong if you try to force your style on others, or insist that people with different styles that don't really mesh very well must role play with each other and like it, or break some common etiquette - like lore-breaking or god-moding. My advice is to just be proactive and try to RP casually with a lot of people so that you can find those that have a style similar to your own. I assure you that those mindful of consequence and interested in building a shared narrative can be found in MMORPG role playing, I'm one of them after all.

Aion has NPCs that will sing a song from the OST -Forgotten Sorrow- in each of the faction's capital city taverns. Atx86JGNtLQ

Oh~ I wasn't meaning to imply that male Miqo'te have cat-like feet. They very much don't judging from what I've seen.

I don't think the male miqo'te's /sit has anything to do with yankii-zuwari. With the yankee sit the feet are flat on the ground and the arms are resting on the knees, stretched out to prevent yourself from falling backward because squatting with your feet flat effectively places the center of gravity pretty much on your butt. The yankee sit is more of a resting position with that "I'm totally nonchalant about things" kind of attitude. If the male miqo'te /sit is supposed to be referencing it then it's not doing a very good job of it. What came to mind when I first saw the /sit was how cats in real life actually sit. I could describe it but I think a picture will get my point across far more readily. [align=center][/align] [align=left]Here you can see that same sort of squatting position that the male miqo'te /sit has with the forelegs held together and towards the ground, not resting on the knees, this way the center of gravity is more balanced and controlled. Obviously the anatomy of cats and humanoids is very different, but the male miqo'te /sit is about a close as a humanoid can get to this position. We'll call it the "cat sit" for ease of use. [align=center][/align] [/align] Why model the /sit this way? Well, primarily it's because of the readiness advantage it gives you. Sit yankii zuwari, with your feet flat out on the ground, and try to get up quickly. You can launch yourself up easily enough, but it's a little difficult to control the direction of your launch. Now try the cat sit, with your arms forward while balancing on the balls of your feet. From this position it is extremely easy to launch yourself forward in any direction that you please, one might even say it's easy to pounce from this position (see what I did there? lulz). Furthermore many sprinting mammals run on the balls of their feet because it takes advantage of all that energy supplied by those leg muscles. In summation I think the male miqo'te sit is more about sticking with the whole "cat boy" theme than it having anything to do with yankii-zuwari.