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As well as Thaarus the OS&R estate [Ward 1 of the Goblet] has a room under the character Seamus O'toole thats Limsan/Crafting oriented you could take a peek at, we keep the house unlocked these days, so feel free to swing by when you like.

*sheepishly raises a hand* I would like to join the list as well..

its for stealth missions, duuuuuh everyone knows that a rockin' body is just fluff when it comes to identifying on opponent.

Awesome, I was hoping that would be the case.

I think as long as we have those back logs then it'll be easy enough to deal with misinformation just reverting or re editing, Would we be able to put in a rule for "If you have been found to have posted/removed the same incorrect/controversial information on the same topic [3?] times, instead of [using your example] using a controversy flag to post your own idea, you will have your edit rights temporarily removed" or something? Hopefully that kind of measure won't be needed... I just worry that the visible place where people should just be able to browse for information might turn into a place of back and forth debate instead of keeping the discussion to the discussion page of that tab or the forum post or what ever method ends up being used to discuss articles.

She goes in her pants, judging by that picture. Implying Rivienne wears pants. Of course she does, someone in the relationship has to, and you're inordinately fond of your manties.

...! What items are those layered together? http://chocoboconstructioncompany.com/glade-chair/ http://chocoboconstructioncompany.com/terracotta-pot/ + that little night stand I can't recall the name of

I guess I'm just advocating no separation, merely citation. No spoiler, no tabs, etc. But you do bring up a valid point on length... Will having a super lengthy article turn people away? Maybe... hmm... It may turn away the skimmers and the people who aren't really looking in depth, but it may excite those who are really into the lore. So I guess it's six and one-half-dozen of the other. arrrrgh lol. I do like the psuedo timeline idea though. A massive Eorzean timeline with dates leading to events which are linked to the article of that event's pertinence. | | | 1468-1469 6AE ------ The Autumn War | | etc... /furiously scribbles notes. Yes! exactly, I suppose i'm more used to trying to coax people into wanting to know more by doing the bread crumb method and trying not to intimidate them, it makes me a bit shy of overburdening. I totally dig wanting to create one seamless flow I just [using Mor Dhona as an example] Think it would be cool to have the cover page with the most up-to-date information and then if people wanted to see how it changed with each patch they could delve into the side sections or the tabs or however things get organized. A huge "timeline" page with off shoots/links would make a great example page to introduce people to the wiki..

Do you think if they're skimming they're going to take note of that information if its hidden in a spoiler tag anyways? The Tab system isn't "hidden away" much, you can look at my wiki page to see an example if you like, and I think if we and others are diligent about "for more information about how it was before the calamity see here" the curious people who would truly benefit will click it, while the skimmers continue to skim. EDIT: I suppose I should express that my fear is people will click on a lore link, see a scroll bar, my name on the "last edited" part and go "Oh god he just rambles on about how much he loved 1.0 all the time" and close the window.

thoughts on the template system? Perhaps a variety of templates for different types of pages? "Characters/Monsters" could be more biography based like the current wiki entries? Separate using tabs maybe Character appearance, then Location(s), then perhaps general Lore? eg. -Pictures of a Coblyn from different angles/ Variations in type -Pictures/lists of places where you can find them and maybe a little blurb about the area "Copper bell mines, a source of resources for Ul'dahn yadda yada" -Then one for stats? "health in the range of _____" "Drops _____" That sounds a bit tedious at first, but sue me, I like making lists. "Locations" could utilize a series of galleries at different times of day? maybe -Picture of the map and description of the general area on the first tab -Picture of hot spot locations and descriptions of each/history -3rd tab for Some of the people in that zone and links to their entries? -these could have 1.0 tabs where an overlay of the old map vs the new map is as well as some notes on the changes? and "events" template for stuff like the Autumn War in the "info box" like characters you could have a Date, Factions/combatants, Result? I'm not sure what the best way to seperate event information would be.. maybe a "timeline" tab showing the general series of events, and then just headers below that go into each point in greater detail? I'd make sure to require a "Put links to the pages of people/places involved in the event" I suppose Events would only really be needed if they weren't included on the people or places tabs, but I think that those with events that are longer termed and have people drop in and out of them as time goes by an seperate host of information would be handy. For example if you Had a page about Nym and mentioned how their Scholars and Marauders worked together to great effect, i'm not sure if you'd want to mention everything that was going on at the mainland at the same time. But now i'm just rambling.. thoughts?

Right, the idea I was putting forward was not to disassociate 1.0 from 2.0 lore, but to make a clarification between the two easier, for example. < big long blurb about the Mun-tuy cellars with 2.0 pictuers and information>

I don't think the jump from 2.0 to 3.0 will be the same magnitude of change to the existing basis of the world, especially considering a lot of changes were made between 1.0 and 1.1 [just look at Thaumaturges going from Astral/Umbral spell casters to elemental] where as 2.0 all though its major patches have added instead of over written. I support a method of "If you'd like to know what this was like in 1.0 click here" or a 1.0 tab on the page of each wiki entry that has 1.0 data to include*, just in an effort to make people who don't want to know the particulars of how shitty it was to have to grind infernal tapers from having a page cluttered by it. [The tab system is quite handy, Ciel Wulfes wiki page uses it to great effect.]

I can dig that, I just think things like map comparisons would be pretty cool even for people fresh with 2.0 the whole character looking over a vista and recalling when there used to be a river or somesuch. Yeah a big cover would be nessicary for "spoilers ahead!" but what about with stuff thats based on content cleared? like Nael Van Darnus, do we want to just have his page filled out? or do we want to spoiler tag stuff like I like that idea, save on effort I think.. I'm quite obviously not the best at spelling, and grammer, my ESL aside, so perhaps we could have a log of recently updated pages, and people practiced and proof reading could go over the edited sections once a month or somesuch? I'm not sure how best to organize that review system.. Hrm, have you taken a look at http://www.ffxivmaps.com/old.html and http://www.finalfantasyxivcutscenes.com/ they're quite handy.

...You know, you could probably make some serious gil if you started doing commissions by editing screenshots like this. ^ Even just the sharpening of contrasts and stuff like the previous pic awhile back where the jewels in the accessories "shone"? more clearly. Hmm, wonder if people would actually want sine screenshots glamoured. I mean I wouldn't mind trying, give it a shot and all. *raises a hand* :bouncy:

I feel that 1.0 lore ought to be segregated somehow (patch tag works, though I'd personally prefer something more discriminating), and notices/disclaimers of some sort thrown up as headers on those pages. 1.0 lore exists in this dubious "is it or is it not still canon?" headspace that is at times contradicted by 2.0 information. As a player from 2.0 and onward, I must say that I am often flummoxed when I'm presented with 1.0 lore that doesn't jive with what I've actually been seeing/reading/experiencing with ARR. Case in point: linkpearls are supposed to be these huge things roughly the size of baseballs? At least they are going by what I've seen a few times in RP from people I presumed to be 1.0 players... but everything in the MSQ of 2.0 says they're small enough to fit into your ear (see: Minfilia and how she reaches for her ear every time she calls the PC). Maybe the larger size is a holdover from people's experience with FFXI? I wouldn't know, and I don't have a resource to turn to that tells me what's from where, which is correct for ARR, and why. Really the size of baseballs? huh I wonder who thought that... The one thats handed over to you by Momo in the Ul'dah starting quests fits in your ear, although it also "glows" when someone is trying to contact you, and your character holds it out and it talks to you, so I can't imagine it being that big, i've always RP'ed it as small. Anyways a bit off track. I agree that perhaps a link to "To see discussions about the 1.0 version of this article please click here" would be nice, or [depending on how the template system turns out] a separate tab. And you should post Freelance, maybe its just me but I don't tend to do the "oh this persons an admin that means I agree thing." but then i'm pretty anti-authority anyways. Side note, What are the thoughts of making a 1.0 vs 2.0 page as well for this lore wiki? like a page to show interesting differences between the two [maybe a comparison of terrain/maps/monsters and the like?]

A few possible things? [the obvious ones at least] Citations to other wiki's [not including the one we're setting up, but excluding any speculation on the linked to page.] is not considered authoritative and should count as speculation, unless you point to the source that the same wiki pointed to and that source can be validated. Perhaps a "All submissions require at least one screen shot of in-game text pertinent to the article or link to an official square page providing the same information." [actually it might be better to just say "picture" since with the new art book coming along that might have some source material.] Should there be some multistep validation before the information shows up to all users? 2 people required to both be able to validate the information before it goes live? [i suppose this depends on how you want to take submissions and do updating, if you wanted to have a discussion on each page and then have a 'reviewer' sign off on it before its hosted, or if you want to do some kind of vote system...] I'm guessing we should also create tags for Patch data [this data gathered before X.X ect.] since NPC dialogue has and will continue to change as the game goes on. And what about 1.0 information the people would like to reference back to? Would those belong on sub pages to avoid confusion on things a casual reader might stumble into? Or just another patch tag? Just some early morning thoughts.

I'd hide it by default, like spoilers I think it might be a bit too tempting to skim over it otherwise.

Heya, I'd be happy to put in time reviewing and adding my own information, the OS&R have done a few internal "lore information gatherings" about what we can dig up in the game on certain topics. For Speculation, do you think there could be a custom spoiler tag that could be used? Looking forward to working on this. :cactuar:

the Elezen appreciation committee applauds your submission. Wish I could get some Elezen ladies together for a glamorous screenshot edit. Says the lady in an LS with Ciel, Ciara, and Deirdre... Go forth! and provide for me a new wallpaper.

the Elezen appreciation committee applauds your submission.

"I've missed you." Are you guys going to put together a "best of" album? Cause I might know a guy interested, just a friend who.. admires Elezen or something...

*feels like he's missing out*

Some small insidious part of my mind keeps whispering to me that Yvelont double-times by dipping himself in a large vat of chocolate before dying his hair cotton-candy pink. ... ...naaaaaaaaaaaaah. Lol no. unfortunately for you Yvelont, I was there... for part of the

I see nothing out of the ordinary here... What about Thaarus on a draught choco to the right without anyone groping him? thats pretty weird.