Gegenji Posted March 23, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 23, 2015 Hold on, this isn't quite what you think. Almost all games have some sort of difficulty. It can vary from fight mechanics to tricky jumps to button-reading AIs. Something to keep your journey to the "end" of the game from being effortless. However, has there ever been a time that it seemed like a game was... actively working against you? Either actual or perceived, it seemed like the game had somehow gained some sort of sentience and was actively trying to ruin your day. That super-hard enemy popping up in a random battle when you're trying to run to the save point, the boss chaining into an inescapable combo, even just a Goomba being right where you didn't need it. FFXIV actually gives me this feeling sometimes, oddly enough. The perceived spite and hatred. Especially in WoD - when running for NIN and tank gear respectively for Chachan in it, it ALL drops on Gogon. Like, straight up, I had a WoD on him where every drop was NIN gear save for Cloud. On Chachan? MNK and DRG gear. And, of course, there's all the 80% chance failures and normal-quality items crafted despite being at 96% quality. To move away from it, though, I'll mention the game that got me thinking about making this thread in the first place: Dokapon Kingdom. Now there's a game that seems to openly hate you, especially if you're playing with the AIs. If you ever play it, I warn you now, the computer cheats like crazy. You have no idea how many perfect rolls the computer got when playing on Friday night. ... I think the only thing that helped bring down the one AI was the OTHER AI. But anyway, anyone else have situations where it just seemed like the game they were playing was actively against them? Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted March 23, 2015 Share #2 Posted March 23, 2015 Criminy. That Dokapon round. I once tried to explain cheating AI to a sister-in-law-of-sorts. She's not a gamer, so she didn't really grasp how a computer can "cheat" at a game. I wish I could show her five minutes of Dokapon Kingdom. It's not even subtle! It's not. The computer-controlled characters (one on Medium, one on Hard) roll exactly what they need to land on exact spaces. It's not so much a character as it is a force of nature, time limit made flesh that moves systematically from locale to locale, always doing exactly enough to win every encounter, and always managing to avoid bad luck. Where Chachanji and I ended up sometimes doing laps around spaces to land where we wanted, the AI moves from town to town, conquering and consuming everything. It was ridiculous. Mario Party and Mario Kart comes to mind, too. Those games definitely don't care about established rules or parameters. They WILL beat you. Link to comment
Unnamed Mercenary Posted March 23, 2015 Share #3 Posted March 23, 2015 Friendship Destroyer Dokapon Kingdom is amazing though! I played this one game that lasted MONTHS with my roommates once. ...we agreed we would never play a full story ever again. Ever. FOr other games that love to make you suffer bring joy to others, see: Mario Party 1 and 2. Link to comment
cuideag Posted March 23, 2015 Share #4 Posted March 23, 2015 I'm pretty trash at games and I have made the mistake of falling in love with Monster Hunter. I love the monsters but they don't love me. Always trampling me when I'm trying to honk out a song or something, or when I'm trying to chug a potion. I'm not a threat, I promise!!!! Link to comment
Kurt S. Posted March 23, 2015 Share #5 Posted March 23, 2015 Well at least I'm not alone in this mindset. Hey let's bring Ramona through WoD...s'alright i guess I'm getting drops Effie, Keil or Kurt/Nah could use. Switch over to Nah, the Robe of casting drops twice...consecutively and the belt(which is the last thing Kurt needs) drops twice. Of course Nah could use it but I get annoyed since a 'what if' scenario comes in my head. Like what if I was playing Kurt then got the belt...then ditched the raid I could have completed the Demon Fending set. Still on the upside, weekly drop limit is gonna be dropped. Hue. But wait don't you feel like you deserve that Allagan Tomestone thingy after sitting through ST 8 times in a row but you always roll single digits anyway. I still think SE is developing a higher form of AI...one with a programmed Malice suite and a Self-awareness function. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted March 23, 2015 Share #6 Posted March 23, 2015 Don't mistake the Rule For Alts for anything SE is doing. It's a known fact that if you have multiple raiding characters on different classes, they're going to see one another's drops. It's just a fact of life. Link to comment
Kurt S. Posted March 23, 2015 Share #7 Posted March 23, 2015 Don't mistake the Rule For Alts for anything SE is doing. It's a known fact that if you have multiple raiding characters on different classes, they're going to see one another's drops. It's just a fact of life. There's that but I still think something's up when I'm going all WAR on Ramona in Brayflox and the game is taunting me with Battlemage drops...every...damn...time. Link to comment
Ha'uruh Nunh Posted March 23, 2015 Share #8 Posted March 23, 2015 Mario Party almost ruined My friendship with Warren. Monopoly with an AI player is another good example of cheating by the computer. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted March 23, 2015 Share #9 Posted March 23, 2015 Mario Party almost ruined My friendship with Warren. Monopoly with an AI player is another good example of cheating by the computer. It wasn't even a good Mario Party. We should try that again sometime, though. It might be fun! Link to comment
Melkire Posted March 23, 2015 Share #10 Posted March 23, 2015 Each and every single one of my college roommates and I would refer to Super Mario Bros. Wii as "The Divorce Game". Why? Because when it came out, the bromance went on pause. EDIT: On a more "the AI hates me" note, UFO: Enemy Unknown, more commonly referred to as X-COM: UFO Defense. The original. My God, rookies. My God. Link to comment
Cliodhna Eoghan Posted March 23, 2015 Share #11 Posted March 23, 2015 skyrim. for reals. i hated the camera didn't auto follow and it made it soo damn hard to fight in 3rd person mode for me. i hate first person mode but a lot of my fights ended up like this so i just ragequit and never went back. Link to comment
ProvaDiServo Posted March 23, 2015 Share #12 Posted March 23, 2015 Can't really think of a time I felt a game betrayed me. Most of my failures or misfortunes are a product of ineptitude at a critical point. Barring that disclaimer... In tekken with Angel, whenever I land 4 Ewgfs and miss the fifth one to complete the combo by no more than two or a few frames.... I die a little inside. Link to comment
Telluride Posted March 23, 2015 Share #13 Posted March 23, 2015 Puzzle Quest and its sequel, Galactrix. Biggest cheating AI ever. Though every Civilization AI gets the honorable mention. I refuse to play most racing games for the same reason. Link to comment
Dogberry Posted March 23, 2015 Share #14 Posted March 23, 2015 Civ 4. I've got a squad of Navy SEALs outside my opponent's city. I send them in with a 93% chance of success. They are defeated by a pair of medieval longbowmen. I send in two more squads of Navy SEALs and and a unit of Marines. The longbowmen are still standing. Link to comment
Zhavi Posted March 23, 2015 Share #15 Posted March 23, 2015 The first time I decided to strike a cucco on the legend of zelda: ocarina of time. WHAT?! YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO RISE UP AGAINST ME I AM THE MASTER OF THIS GAME! WAIT NO, STOP, WHAT ARE YOU DOING OH GOD MAKE IT STOP I'M DYING NOOO A lesson was learned that day. Link to comment
Dat Oni Posted March 23, 2015 Share #16 Posted March 23, 2015 The Duty Finder. THE DUTY. FINDER. I know this thing is made of spite and hatred because it actively fails to perform the function listed in its very name. And not just for DPS. I've had situations where I've been waiting up to 15-45 minutes as a TANK just to get in an instance. Burning hatred for this piece of engineering may vary, depending on what it is that warrants the dungeon crawl. I find that the current things making this a nightmare-fueled engine of misery, at least for me, are the Animus tomes. However, I am well aware it will only get worse from there, so don't lecture me. Link to comment
Gegenji Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted March 23, 2015 On a more "the AI hates me" note, UFO: Enemy Unknown, more commonly referred to as X-COM: UFO Defense. The original. My God, rookies. My God. Ah man. Jade Star from the SA LP forums did this multi-hour long marathon of X-COM Ironman and had this HUGE list of people that died to all sorts of things (Including, I think, 16 different Skippies). My personal favorite - and a bit he clipped out for itself on Twitch.tv, which is unfortunately not mirrored on YouTube - was when an alien came out of the downed UFO and a readied action soldier named Hitler fired his rocket and blew up, like four people. ... Which was immediately followed with "OH MY GOD, HITLER, WHY!?" You really just have to watch it to feel the passion. Link to comment
DreamedReality Posted March 23, 2015 Share #18 Posted March 23, 2015 Any action/actionRPG style game that won't let me fully customize my keyboard controls to what I'm more comfortable with. I am -not- a good player. I'm pretty fucking terrible actually. And having SHIFT to sprint in one game. But crouch in another. And then walk in yet another without the option of letting me equalize them? Is shit. I -desperately- want to play Witcher 2. But those keyboard controls. I just can't get them. I die on the fight tutorial on easy. It's fucking depressing. And because it's only got partial controller support it of course it means giving up. Because the only controller that will work is the Xbox controller I do not have. So it sits in my steam library and mocks me. Link to comment
ProvaDiServo Posted March 23, 2015 Share #19 Posted March 23, 2015 After consideration I thought of one. Fire Emblem 6: I absolutely get screwed RNG wise. I've missed attacks with a 98 percent chance of success and been struck by enemy attacks with only 20 or less percent success rate. Quite enfuriating, but one should never be so comfortable with chance. Link to comment
Melkire Posted March 23, 2015 Share #20 Posted March 23, 2015 After consideration I thought of one. Fire Emblem 6: I absolutely get screwed RNG wise. I've missed attacks with a 98 percent chance of success and been struck by enemy attacks with only 20 or less percent success rate. Quite enfuriating, but one should never be so comfortable with chance. FE6 is very, very, very RNG dependent. Case in point, RNG made my Rutger a god. High STR, max SKL and SPD, and high LCK. Can you say, "Swordmaster double-critting and therefore one-shotting everything with Armorslayer, Killing Edge, and Wo Dao" ? Because I can. Link to comment
ProvaDiServo Posted March 23, 2015 Share #21 Posted March 23, 2015 After consideration I thought of one. Fire Emblem 6: I absolutely get screwed RNG wise. I've missed attacks with a 98 percent chance of success and been struck by enemy attacks with only 20 or less percent success rate. Quite enfuriating, but one should never be so comfortable with chance. FE6 is very, very, very RNG dependent. Case in point, RNG made my Rutger a god. High STR, max SKL and SPD, and high LCK. Can you say, "Swordmaster double-critting and therefore one-shotting everything with Armorslayer, Killing Edge, and Wo Dao" ? Because I can. I can only say "Roy is a disappointing lord" Link to comment
Gegenji Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted March 23, 2015 After consideration I thought of one. Fire Emblem 6: I absolutely get screwed RNG wise. I've missed attacks with a 98 percent chance of success and been struck by enemy attacks with only 20 or less percent success rate. Quite enfuriating, but one should never be so comfortable with chance. FE6 is very, very, very RNG dependent. Case in point, RNG made my Rutger a god. High STR, max SKL and SPD, and high LCK. Can you say, "Swordmaster double-critting and therefore one-shotting everything with Armorslayer, Killing Edge, and Wo Dao" ? Because I can. I can only say "Roy is a disappointing lord" B-but, Roy's our boy! Link to comment
Melkire Posted March 23, 2015 Share #23 Posted March 23, 2015 I can only say "Roy is a disappointing lord" His stat growths are disgusting, yes, but I liked that about him. He was a more realistic lord than most of the more recent ones. Like, seriously. Historically speaking, you do not put your noble/lord/king/whatever on the front lines. They're usually not very good, and even when they are, they are too valuable to lose. A big part of your defensive strategy should boil down to "protect the guy who's championing our cause and funding our army". Contrast Ike, who goes rolling into combat and flattens everything because he is a badass mofo who don't need no fodder. >_> B-but, Roy's our boy! He is. And yet they left him out of Smash. AGAIN. *rages* Link to comment
Kellach Woods Posted March 24, 2015 Share #24 Posted March 24, 2015 In tekken with Angel, whenever I land 4 Ewgfs and miss the fifth one to complete the combo by no more than two or a few frames.... I die a little inside. oh geez why the fuck would anyone subject themselves to having 5 just frames in one combo on a middling character (Akira players in DoA5 I guess but still) Link to comment
ProvaDiServo Posted March 24, 2015 Share #25 Posted March 24, 2015 In tekken with Angel, whenever I land 4 Ewgfs and miss the fifth one to complete the combo by no more than two or a few frames.... I die a little inside. oh geez why the fuck would anyone subject themselves to having 5 just frames in one combo on a middling character (Akira players in DoA5 I guess but still) I live that life too, instant knee lift juggles ruin my life in VF5 The allure of looking cool. I suffer from it in ever game I play. :[ Link to comment
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