Interaction of Multiple Free Companies

[Erik Mynhier]

 

Well the rules aren't fun for all I'll grant you, but they are meant to simply streamline the thing, I want to keep this under an hour or two, and we have 35+ fcs presenting. So the parliamentary procedures is to keep things moving and keep it a reasonable time.

 

As for gear I know I'll be fancy looking in my Groomsman outfit.

 

And closing, that's Freelance's thing. As I understand its going to be some sort of "thanks for coming" message. You would have to ask him that.

 

And that streamlining process is coming at the expense of actual interaction on the part of the FCs involved. If there's a temporary event LS for communication, that's an improvement, but even then the chatter might hinder the participant and streamers' ability to read the macros. Actual interaction will come during intermissions, and therefore briefly; in private, and therefore outside the view of the streamers; or after the event entirely.

 

Part of what made the dances fun - and I don't know who criticized balls, of all things, but I certainly wasn't one of them - was that they were largely open events where players could come and go and interact as they pleased with friends and strangers alike The structure of the events didn't actually affect how the participants were engaged beyond loose guidelines. This is not that; this is very far from that. So what would make this interesting to the observer, given the rigidity of the structure presented?

 

Im posting at work on a phone, so forgive and spelling any spelling errors.

 

The LS for the evemt is a great idea, but simply dont have the time to make and grow such a LS. If someone wants to do that let me know and ill post it in the event thread and in the op of the same thread.

[Edda]

Look at all the little posts just fly away into the aether, never to be seen again...

 

Because if we've anything to learn about past arguments and hostilities, it's that deleting half the conversation will make the problem go away.

[FreelanceWizard]

Look at all the little posts just fly away into the aether, never to be seen again...

 

Because if we've anything to learn about past arguments and hostilities, it's that deleting half the conversation will make the problem go away.

 

I can't speak to the exact actions taken by the mods, but I find it highly unlikely that any posts were deleted with the intent of squelching discussion. Thread slicing and reassembly is an art, not a science, and it's entirely possible the posts are on the other thread.

 

If you have an issue with a moderator's actions, please contact me via PM with specifics.

 

#magicAdminHat

[K'nahli]

Look at all the little posts just fly away into the aether, never to be seen again...

 

Because if we've anything to learn about past arguments and hostilities, it's that deleting half the conversation will make the problem go away.

 

Around four or five posts were outright deleted by me as they either had absolutely no context remaining or because they were deemed completely unnecessary after the split. With that said, only short posts were removed so that no-one's time or thoughts were exactly wasted.

 

Regardless of that fact, deletion rarely, if ever, comes about as a result of some form of censorship. Non-constructive posts, particularly those laced with negative or passive-aggressive undertones, are not prioritised very highly when it comes to determining which posts are worth keeping. Preventing future conflict is just as important to me as dealing with existing examples.

 

If I have removed any particular message which you would argue was topic-worthy then I do sincerely apologise, but as Freelance(in part) mentioned, that is where PMs serve a purpose. Sarcastically commenting in a topic that was just cleaned, on the other hand, is not the answer.

 

Not to specifically address Edda with this, as I mean this post generally. Though should anyone have any concerns or disagreements then please do use PMs. Communication solves most misunderstandings, but not within topics themselves.

[Darien Cadell]

Also, the idea of having an IN GAME OOC EVENT is downright a waste of time regarding this matter.

 

I'm not an FC leader or officer anymore, so I wasn't going to throw my pennies in the bucket, but now that it's just a blahblah thread, here's what I think: What this guy just said, though I will repeat it with less strength and more waffle.

 

I'm not sure what there is to communicate about that would benefit from instant feedback rather than a thought-out thread of forum posts, especially since everyone who's going to be communicating is from the forum?

 

That being said, if the people who signed up for it do want the event, then the more power to them! It just... holds little interest for me to the point of a "Why?" eyebrow raise.

 

If it's going to be streamed, closed doors aren't really an issue. I assume the doors are only closed in an attempt to limit the sheer number of participants.

 

However, if this were an IC free company summit, I think that would be hilariously awesome. Still not an officer myself, so would not apply, but there's room for a lot of interesting there. There'd be some companies who would never go to such a thing based on their IC nature, but if there are enough of them that would, maybe they could be a shadow government, or at least think of themselves as such. A wildly entertaining shadow government, buahaha! Or it could go up in drama flames. Who knows.

 

My real point was that as an outsider, I'm not sure what the benefit is of cramming everyone into a room to talk, rather than letting them wander in and out of various forum threads. But then, I'm not sure what the benefit is of that in real life, either, because I'm an antisocial wallflower, so it could just be a personality thing.

[Kellach Woods]

If it's going to be streamed, closed doors aren't really an issue. I assume the doors are only closed in an attempt to limit the sheer number of participants.

 

Partially that, partially to not hold it out in the open. All houses have a cap on the amount of people who can enter - limiting the amount of people per FC is also a measure to make sure more FCs can participate.

 

Won't say the rest, too sour and too emotional for all of this rational thread.

[ArmachiA]

 

Oh no, you're on to me. When I did the royal ball, I was accused of trying to power play and become ic buds with the Sultana, but it didn't happen, we had a dance and it was fun. When I did the Starlight Ball, I was accused of trying to make every character religious, it didn't happen.

 

OKAY, Erik I'm on your side here and I want you to remember that, but there's a reason this accusation was happening. Even from our corner of Balmung, I HEARD that instead of just using the Sultana for the dance (Which I thought was a great idea) you were using her in a bunch of your FCs storylines and basically controlling the Sultana as an NPC for your stuff and making her friends with people in your FC - which is a huge no-no in the RP world.

 

Was it true? I've no idea. I know people told me they witnessed it themselves. BUT that's where it came from.

[Dravus]

It's been a little difficult to keep track of all the posts since I last jumped into this particular debate so I may be highlighting stuff that has already been raised and addressed. If so, I apologise in advance!

I'm also a little out of it at the moment so again, apologies if this post consists of more rambling than intended!

 

So: I noticed a few posters referring to 'pessimism' earlier on in the debate. As a huge fan and advocate of critical thinking I don't feel it's entirely fair to brand posters as 'pessimists' simply because they're voicing a personal opinion that may be different to somebody else's.

 

I can understand the term being used if someone only ever posts negatively but I'm not seeing a whole lot of that. Also worth noting is that some people are just naturally blunter than others and don't beat around the bush when it comes to posting their piece.

[Alothia]

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

[Erik Mynhier]

 

Oh no, you're on to me. When I did the royal ball, I was accused of trying to power play and become ic buds with the Sultana, but it didn't happen, we had a dance and it was fun. When I did the Starlight Ball, I was accused of trying to make every character religious, it didn't happen.

 

OKAY, Erik I'm on your side here and I want you to remember that, but there's a reason this accusation was happening. Even from our corner of Balmung, I HEARD that instead of just using the Sultana for the dance (Which I thought was a great idea) you were using her in a bunch of your FCs storylines and basically controlling the Sultana as an NPC for your stuff and making her friends with people in your FC - which is a huge no-no in the RP world.

 

Was it true? I've no idea. I know people told me they witnessed it themselves. BUT that's where it came from.

 

No. She was played by a young lady who volunteered to play her in the ball. The character was new amd needed leveling before the ball to 12 I think for the glacel coat. She could get no one to run fates or help her level on balmug without people losing their minds over her name as this is an rp server.

 

So long story short I was helping her level and we were bsing in /say about how she thought I was the best sworn she owned. And I said we were besties and that she could sit on my shoulder and fire the general. It was all in fun and to my fault we continued to bullshit as we walked into the QS. We were over heard and someone took it seriously and it spread like cancer from there. But as she has logged in as that character only once since the ball and since most if all of my rp since has been Flame and not Sworn I feel my innocence in that matter has been proven with time.

 

And for those especially suspicious, I understand an interest in this player's identity would be wanted honestly I would rather ruin my own reputation then say who she is. She is a fine player and good friend and I would not name her for the world. That was the condition of her playing the role last year.

[Erik Mynhier]

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

 

A complete transcript will be posted after the event. True it will not show pms but neither would it if the event was here and people pmed eachother here.

[Alothia]

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

 

A complete transcript will be posted after the event. True it will not show pms but neither would it if the event was here and people pmed eachother here.

 

No, I know that much. But it is going to be a lot to deal with with a lot of people and a lot of character limits. At least if it was done here or in another sort of chat, like maybe a skype group (which is what we used for our old summits) it would be easier to keep track of things.

[Erik Mynhier]

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

 

A complete transcript will be posted after the event. True it will not show pms but neither would it if the event was here and people pmed eachother here.

 

No, I know that much. But it is going to be a lot to deal with with a lot of people and a lot of character limits. At least if it was done here or in another sort of chat, like maybe a skype group (which is what we used for our old summits) it would be easier to keep track of things.

 

I cannot run skype, but I can run ts. If someone who has the time wants to set a room for the evemt as a supliment added to the event I cam add the info to the event page. I simply dont have the time set it up but open to it being a thing.

 

Ps, I wish the rpc had a chat room.

[Magellan]

• Witnessed and interacted with two complete strangers who were roleplaying in the Coffer & Coffin before my friend and I strolled in to do likewise.
  

 

 

That might've been me! The Coffer & Coffin is the favorite watering hole of one of my characters I remember a pair of miqo's strolling in on me one day. Even if it wasn't you....

 

.... while I did not join in directly with their rp, we emoted with each other on the fringes, which was a great & fun world-building feeling.

[Melodia]

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

 

A complete transcript will be posted after the event. True it will not show pms but neither would it if the event was here and people pmed eachother here.

 

No, I know that much. But it is going to be a lot to deal with with a lot of people and a lot of character limits. At least if it was done here or in another sort of chat, like maybe a skype group (which is what we used for our old summits) it would be easier to keep track of things.

Yeah....maybe a subforum devoted to just FC interaction and their rp.... *points at older posts from yesterday*

 

And yes.,...I realize I am a smartass.

[Alothia]

Maybe a better option for this summit is to hold it here so that we have a written record of what was said, and so that people can go back and reference what the FCs do in one thread. *shrug* Just a suggestion so that we're not being constrained by the damned character limit in game.

 

A complete transcript will be posted after the event. True it will not show pms but neither would it if the event was here and people pmed eachother here.

 

No, I know that much. But it is going to be a lot to deal with with a lot of people and a lot of character limits. At least if it was done here or in another sort of chat, like maybe a skype group (which is what we used for our old summits) it would be easier to keep track of things.

Yeah....maybe a subforum devoted to just FC interaction and their rp.... *points at older posts from yesterday*

 

And yes.,...I realize I am a smartass.

 

If I had any ability to do those things, I would. Unfortunately, that needs to be brought up with Freelance and not harped on here. Hence why I've made suggestions as well.

[FreelanceWizard]

So, yes, chat is coming. We have hit our Patreon milestone for that, so I'll be buying and installing the chat software in April.

 

As for an FC interaction forum, the RPC did have one of those in the past (the Leaders' Roundtable). Originally, it was only visible to FC leaders, but it was eventually opened to be visible to all with only FC leaders able to post. The reason I removed the forum was because it got approximately one post per 6 months -- it was deader than a lone Garlean in the middle of the Sagolii Desert. The feedback I got from FC leaders was that they didn't want to plot in public, whereas the community's reaction to a private forum for FC leaders was, unsurprisingly, quite negative (I believe I spoke out against it myself before getting the magic admin hat ).

 

I have no problem bringing a forum for cross-FC interactions back, but I'm not incredibly enthusiastic about doing so if it's going to continue to be unused (since it'd just add clutter).

 

#magicAdminHat

[Ardent Ghost]

I'm really surprised to see how many people are resistant to this, particularly since many FC leaders have come forward outright stated that they have no interest in 'controlling' anything within the community, much less sticking around a 'meta-clique'. I for one can assure that its not Black Sun Vanguard's intentions when signing up for this, its more of a chance to see what alliances and contracts can be made with other FCs (Such as resource trade, information, allies for similar causes, ect.). Sure, you can use the forums to do this, but sometimes getting ahold of someone on an opposite schedule can be a pain, much less being sure if an FC you are hunting down is even active anymore.

 

I think a lot of roleplayers across Eorzea want a more united RP scene outside their usual group of friends, and if connecting some FCs can help with that, I can't see why it would be a bad thing.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

I'm really surprised to see how many people are resistant to this, particularly since many FC leaders have come forward outright stated that they have no interest in 'controlling' anything within the community, much less sticking around a 'meta-clique'. I for one can assure that its not Black Sun Vanguard's intentions when signing up for this, its more of a chance to see what alliances and contracts can be made with other FCs (Such as resource trade, information, allies for similar causes, ect.). Sure, you can use the forums to do this, but sometimes getting ahold of someone on an opposite schedule can be a pain, much less being sure if an FC you are hunting down is even active anymore.

 

I think a lot of roleplayers across Eorzea want a more united RP scene outside their usual group of friends, and if connecting some FCs can help with that, I can't see why it would be a bad thing.

 

While not in a FC currently, I think I can address some of this.

 

In the OP, it was advertised as "solving problems". This heavily implies WAY more action than the infomercial setting that was later argued as the point.  ...I think it was bolded somewhere above, but after the split/migration, I can honestly say I'm not going to be reading back trying to find it.

[Melkire]

• Witnessed and interacted with two complete strangers who were roleplaying in the Coffer & Coffin before my friend and I strolled in to do likewise.
  

 

 

That might've been me! The Coffer & Coffin is the favorite watering hole of one of my characters I remember a pair of miqo's strolling in on me one day. Even if it wasn't you....

 

.... while I did not join in directly with their rp, we emoted with each other on the fringes, which was a great & fun world-building feeling.

 

Was a male miqo' and a male middie. There was a male lalafell and a female hyur present (least I think it was a hyur). Not sure if you, but emoting on the fringes def happened, and it was fun.

[Erik Mynhier]

I'm really surprised to see how many people are resistant to this, particularly since many FC leaders have come forward outright stated that they have no interest in 'controlling' anything within the community, much less sticking around a 'meta-clique'. I for one can assure that its not Black Sun Vanguard's intentions when signing up for this, its more of a chance to see what alliances and contracts can be made with other FCs (Such as resource trade, information, allies for similar causes, ect.). Sure, you can use the forums to do this, but sometimes getting ahold of someone on an opposite schedule can be a pain, much less being sure if an FC you are hunting down is even active anymore.

 

I think a lot of roleplayers across Eorzea want a more united RP scene outside their usual group of friends, and if connecting some FCs can help with that, I can't see why it would be a bad thing.

 

While not in a FC currently, I think I can address some of this.

 

In the OP, it was advertised as "solving problems". This heavily implies WAY more action than the infomercial setting that was later argued as the point.  ...I think it was bolded somewhere above, but after the split/migration, I can honestly say I'm not going to be reading back trying to find it.

 

Allow me to clarify this as it seems to be a source of a lot of animosity. The problems needing solving I refer to are the fc-centric problems facing any given fc. I will give you an example. Should you attend or watch the stream, the Red Wings, in the course of our presentation, will state that we are having an issue finding crafters willing to help us build airships. We have several lv50 (all classes) crafters, but our assumption is that crafting the ships will require at least an 8 man party. Now not being able to build thee ships is a big problem for us and airships have been very central to our storyline. Now the DEVs have stated that small fcs will be able to join together to help eachother, which helps the issue. But our problem in point is only one other small FC has offered to join with us. So this problem we have I feel will be solved in this summit.

 

Other fcs also have problems/needs/issues like that. When I say solve problems I do not mean server wide issues and role play policy, I mean issues in FCs. That is why this is a FC event. I can surely be blamed for poor wording, but not for dark intent. That said I hope you will all set aside your suspicions until you see what it is we are doing. I know that is a lot to ask, but do try.

[Ardent Ghost]

I'm really surprised to see how many people are resistant to this, particularly since many FC leaders have come forward outright stated that they have no interest in 'controlling' anything within the community, much less sticking around a 'meta-clique'. I for one can assure that its not Black Sun Vanguard's intentions when signing up for this, its more of a chance to see what alliances and contracts can be made with other FCs (Such as resource trade, information, allies for similar causes, ect.). Sure, you can use the forums to do this, but sometimes getting ahold of someone on an opposite schedule can be a pain, much less being sure if an FC you are hunting down is even active anymore.

 

I think a lot of roleplayers across Eorzea want a more united RP scene outside their usual group of friends, and if connecting some FCs can help with that, I can't see why it would be a bad thing.

 

While not in a FC currently, I think I can address some of this.

 

In the OP, it was advertised as "solving problems". This heavily implies WAY more action than the infomercial setting that was later argued as the point.  ...I think it was bolded somewhere above, but after the split/migration, I can honestly say I'm not going to be reading back trying to find it.

 

Ah, I see. I must have read over that. But on that note, one could assume that this could involve solving the issue of FCs roleplaying outside their FC (not saying this is a problem, saying that some people wish more FCs were public involved.). Or perhaps an issue could be that a particular FC hasn't had much luck integrating into a community, and wants help doing so. Instead of viewing the glass half empty, people could hope for the best and see how this summit plays out and hope for a glass half full. c:

 

Edit: Late, didn't see the post above mine.

[Chris Ganale]

I had immediately taken the phrasing "settle issues" (actual phrasing) to refer to any issues that one FC may have with another. Which is still a far cry from the implications being thrown around that some sort of mafia-esque league of FC nations is the goal here. And that's saying a lot considering I'm easily the most pessimistic person around that is most likely to jump to conclusions of nefarious activity on others' parts.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

[clipped for space]

 

But that's just it. Perhaps the wording in the OP message was too vague, possibly mis-worded or simply written in a way that it was interpretted differently.

 

Bolded for empasis.

The goal of this Summit is to bring together active Free Companies of Balmung to meet, interact, story plan, settle issues, and foster cooperation with other FCs for larger activities.

 

Nowhere in this message does it say anything about the OOC benefits or uses that you implied were the goal. Instead, what I (and likely others) see is a largely IC-centric assembly of only large RP Free Companies, which can easily be made to look like it is for the goal of trying to potentially merge individual FC plots into some giant timeline, make some form of homogenous "standard RP", or otherwise present something that people may take as such without knowing the context behind it. 

 

I've read the entirety of the thread before the split, but many times, these, and other more organizational/mechanical issues were brushed aside. By calling it a "summit" people are going to assume that it's not an FC Informercial. It's going to be seen as a group of FC leaders meeting together to have some form of discussion, as stated in the OP message, about the topics bolded. And when that was brought up, the explanation used to try to refute that didn't address the questions. It answered what was not asked. 

 

If the goal of the FC Leader Meetup was to discuss how to better organize FC resources for future content, why not directly state it that way?

[Chris Ganale]

Erik Mynhierfoster cooperation with other FCs for larger activities.

 

Nowhere in this message does it say anything about the OOC benefits or uses that you implied were the goal.

 

Says right there.

 

EDIT: -Looks at wonky coding- ....Meh. Point got across.

 

EDIT2: Also, flag on bullshit. It's not all big FCs. I don't even recognize half the FCs in that list.