XIV Updated - SoF Nerfed!

[Kage]

So.

 

After having to do actual work to find the answer to this question (i.e., playing the actual game) and now knowing that I cannot depend on the RPC to answer the questions that matter, I can confirm that the Shiva mount does indeed play Oblivion, the shittiest primal song. For those of you who were wondering, you're welcome.

 

Due to this outrage, I have cancelled my subscription, uninstalled the game, threw my hard drive in the microwave, and called the police.

So.

 

Maybe some people are actually -not able to play the game right now- and would rather talk about stuff that -does not require them to.-

[Trigonxv]

rip steps I will miss seeing people flail about with your mechanics and the ensuing arguments when failure happens. It was at least for me some moderate entertainment when it was clear no one wanted to listen

[Aduu Avagnar]

So does the Shiva mount play the amazing first phase song or that second phase abomination?

 

Please respond, this is a much more important issue than posturing about SoF ever being hard or not.

So.

 

After having to do actual work to find the answer to this question (i.e., playing the actual game) and now knowing that I cannot depend on the RPC to answer the questions that matter, I can confirm that the Shiva mount does indeed play Oblivion, the shittiest primal song. For those of you who were wondering, you're welcome.

 

Due to this outrage, I have cancelled my subscription, uninstalled the game, threw my hard drive in the microwave, and called the police.

Or you could read the first page where warren confirmed that they gave the primal mounts the primal music?

[Steel Wolf]

So.

 

After having to do actual work to find the answer to this question (i.e., playing the actual game) and now knowing that I cannot depend on the RPC to answer the questions that matter, I can confirm that the Shiva mount does indeed play Oblivion, the shittiest primal song. For those of you who were wondering, you're welcome.

 

Due to this outrage, I have cancelled my subscription, uninstalled the game, threw my hard drive in the microwave, and called the police.

 

I like that song.

 

Fite me.

[Zyrusticae]

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

 

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

"make friends"

 

I'm sure that's easy and simple for all you social butterflies out there, but for someone like me you may as well ask me to climb the friggin' moon.

 

You may then (rightfully) ask me why I am playing an MMORPG, but then I would have to retort that this is the closest thing to a modern remix of the original Final Fantasy games we've had in close to a decade now and there are many reasons to play an MMORPG besides social interaction.

 

And also, what Melodia said.

[Flickering Ember]

So.

 

After having to do actual work to find the answer to this question (i.e., playing the actual game) and now knowing that I cannot depend on the RPC to answer the questions that matter, I can confirm that the Shiva mount does indeed play Oblivion, the shittiest primal song. For those of you who were wondering, you're welcome.

 

Due to this outrage, I have cancelled my subscription, uninstalled the game, threw my hard drive in the microwave, and called the police.

 

I like that song.

 

Fite me.

*slowly raises  hand*

 

So do I.

[Edda]

I like that song.

 

Fite me.

:cry:

 

Or you could read the first page where warren confirmed that they gave the primal mounts the primal music?

There are two different songs that play when you fight Shiva! You should be able to look up the fight on YouTube, though the first phase usually does not last very long.

[Kellach Woods]

Maybe it won't be mixed by a person sensible of hearing and I'll be able to ACTUALLY HEAR IT.

 

I'm not a fan of the pop-rock sound, but I'm willing to give it a chance. I just hated the transition and the fact that I could scarcely hear it.

 

Later someone confirmed that they were the post-signature attack themes if they had any. So you get Under the Weight for the earth pony, etc.

 

* * *

 

I also play MMOs because I like the idea of a ton of people doing the same thing, interacting with one another.

 

Then they say something in chat, and I realize I really don't like people all that much.

[Warren Castille]

They gave the mounts the trial music. Not sure if it's Final Phase music or not. Regardless, I've now got the urge to enable mount themes and farm Ramuh...

 

I CONFIRM NOTHIIIIIING

[Aduu Avagnar]

There are two different songs that play when you fight Shiva! You should be able to look up the fight on YouTube, though the first phase usually does not last very long.

sorry, second page then:

It's dependent on the primal music in question. If it has phases, it's the post astral flow music from what I've seen. For example, on Gullfaxi, it starts Titan's theme right after he uses Earthen Fury. Where as with Xanthos, it just starts with the beginning of Garuda's theme since there's no transitions.

 

I imagine Shiva's and Leviathans start post astral flow, and Ramuh and Ifrit are the full songs.

[TheLastCandle]

If I remember correctly, monks and dragoons (now) do not need the positionals to keep their buffs up. Yes you do not maximize your dps but you do more dps when alive than you do dead. Always.

 

Correctamundo on Dragoons! No more do we rely on flanking for Heavy Thrust or being behind targets for the Impulse Drive combo. Monks still have to do dat dance, though.

 

@FlickeringEmber: I haven't done SoF as a Monk (in fact, I've only ever tanked it) but this is what I do for similarly large targets. You want to stay at the "edge" of the open part of the target circle for your back attacks. That way, all you have to do for the hit to count as a "flank" is shift slightly so that you're just barely on the solid part of the circle.

 

 

That way you shouldn't have to be near its footfalls and suffer massive damage.

[Dravus]

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

 

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

"make friends"

 

I'm sure that's easy and simple for all you social butterflies out there, but for someone like me you may as well ask me to climb the friggin' moon.

 

You may then (rightfully) ask me why I am playing an MMORPG, but then I would have to retort that this is the closest thing to a modern remix of the original Final Fantasy games we've had in close to a decade now and there are many reasons to play an MMORPG besides social interaction.

 

And also, what Melodia said.

 

I wouldn't class myself as a 'social butterfly'. So no, it's not easy. If people are shy then that's something people can sympathise with but if they want to do group content then...they're going to have to interact with other people. Especially if they don't want to rely on the duty finder.

 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a player that doesn't have issues to deal with. At the end of the day, though, there's plenty of routes to go down when it comes to finding groups to tackle content. It might take time, effort and more than a few failures but that applies to most aspects of life.

[Kellach Woods]

Honestly if I were to monk it up in this instance I'd ask for a cannon position - less of a chance to screw up rotation and I can probably be more useful that way.

[Melodia]

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

 

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

"make friends"

 

I'm sure that's easy and simple for all you social butterflies out there, but for someone like me you may as well ask me to climb the friggin' moon.

 

You may then (rightfully) ask me why I am playing an MMORPG, but then I would have to retort that this is the closest thing to a modern remix of the original Final Fantasy games we've had in close to a decade now and there are many reasons to play an MMORPG besides social interaction.

 

And also, what Melodia said.

 

I wouldn't class myself as a 'social butterfly'. So no, it's not easy. If people are shy then that's something people can sympathise with but if they want to do group content then...they're going to have to interact with other people. Especially if they don't want to rely on the duty finder.

 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a player that doesn't have issues to deal with. At the end of the day, though, there's plenty of routes to go down when it comes to finding groups to tackle content. It might take time, effort and more than a few failures but that applies to most aspects of life.

 

 

I do interact with people. Daily. So my question for you and the community maybe is, when PF groups repeatedly fail or fail to form, and friends won't help, and DF is impossible (I am looking at you FCoB)....what does someone in my shoes do? Just suck it up and accept that I won't get a clear?

[cuideag]

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

 

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

"make friends"

 

I'm sure that's easy and simple for all you social butterflies out there, but for someone like me you may as well ask me to climb the friggin' moon.

 

You may then (rightfully) ask me why I am playing an MMORPG, but then I would have to retort that this is the closest thing to a modern remix of the original Final Fantasy games we've had in close to a decade now and there are many reasons to play an MMORPG besides social interaction.

 

And also, what Melodia said.

 

I am sorry to say that I'm not a social butterfly at all! But I do see when people offer help, or when there's groups up on PF, and so on. It's a great way to meet people to do content with, even if "hey let's clear this" is your only point of social contact.

[cuideag]

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

 

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

"make friends"

 

I'm sure that's easy and simple for all you social butterflies out there, but for someone like me you may as well ask me to climb the friggin' moon.

 

You may then (rightfully) ask me why I am playing an MMORPG, but then I would have to retort that this is the closest thing to a modern remix of the original Final Fantasy games we've had in close to a decade now and there are many reasons to play an MMORPG besides social interaction.

 

And also, what Melodia said.

 

I wouldn't class myself as a 'social butterfly'. So no, it's not easy. If people are shy then that's something people can sympathise with but if they want to do group content then...they're going to have to interact with other people. Especially if they don't want to rely on the duty finder.

 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a player that doesn't have issues to deal with. At the end of the day, though, there's plenty of routes to go down when it comes to finding groups to tackle content. It might take time, effort and more than a few failures but that applies to most aspects of life.

 

 

I do interact with people. Daily. So my question for you and the community maybe is, when PF groups repeatedly fail or fail to form, and friends won't help, and DF is impossible (I am looking at you FCoB)....what does someone in my shoes do? Just suck it up and accept that I won't get a clear?

 

You can give up, or you can give it another go. How far you make it through content is wholly up to you. The help is out there. It really is! Heck, hit me up if you need help with things. I'm not in any of those clear LSes but I love doing Primal Extremes, for example.

[Zyrusticae]

I wouldn't class myself as a 'social butterfly'. So no, it's not easy. If people are shy then that's something people can sympathise with but if they want to do group content then...they're going to have to interact with other people. Especially if they don't want to rely on the duty finder.

 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a player that doesn't have issues to deal with. At the end of the day, though, there's plenty of routes to go down when it comes to finding groups to tackle content. It might take time, effort and more than a few failures but that applies to most aspects of life.

"Shy" is one thing, but I have crippling social anxiety stemming from a severe and irrational fear of rejection from failure that prevents me from taking any positions of responsibility that includes especially leading any parties through difficult trials where everything going wrong is on my head AND THINGS WILL GO WRONG.

 

When I am only responsible purely for my own performance, I excel. That's enough for me. When I am responsible for the livelihood of others, I stop having fun. It reminds me of going through group projects in school and having to deal with the pressure of having to perform, only to learn that the other group members aren't pulling their weight and I am doomed regardless because I cannot possibly carry the group to an A on my own and - let's be serious here, why in the Seven Hells would I WILLINGLY, VOLUNTARILY subject myself to that kind of hardship? Why, why, why would I do that when this is supposed to be fun and recreational and relaxing and not a bloody struggle to the finish?

 

I mean, I already avoid raiding anything close to current Coil specifically for these reasons (and more), so why should I be forced into it in a mandatory story dungeon that gates an entire expansion's worth of content?!

 

If anything, I would want them to remove the requirement to clear SoF entirely so I can just move the hell on with my life and do things I actually ENJOY doing!

 

All I ask from my mandatory group content is that it be easy and simple enough to not turn into a frustrating slog, and Steps of Faith has been the exact opposite of that, earning my ire and hatred forevermore. Even after nerfs, I doubt I'm going to find any enjoyment out of this.

[Dravus]

I don't get angry. I don't rant - I pick myself up and work on finding a way to complete it. Usually that involves making use of the party finder, asking for help from some friends or even making it known on this very site that I'm eager to get a particular bit of content over and done with.

 

Thiiiiis. When all else fails, make friends. I believe we even have some linkshells showcased here on the RPC specifically for helping folks clear content.

"make friends"

 

I'm sure that's easy and simple for all you social butterflies out there, but for someone like me you may as well ask me to climb the friggin' moon.

 

You may then (rightfully) ask me why I am playing an MMORPG, but then I would have to retort that this is the closest thing to a modern remix of the original Final Fantasy games we've had in close to a decade now and there are many reasons to play an MMORPG besides social interaction.

 

And also, what Melodia said.

 

I wouldn't class myself as a 'social butterfly'. So no, it's not easy. If people are shy then that's something people can sympathise with but if they want to do group content then...they're going to have to interact with other people. Especially if they don't want to rely on the duty finder.

 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a player that doesn't have issues to deal with. At the end of the day, though, there's plenty of routes to go down when it comes to finding groups to tackle content. It might take time, effort and more than a few failures but that applies to most aspects of life.

 

 

I do interact with people. Daily. So my question for you and the community maybe is, when PF groups repeatedly fail or fail to form, and friends won't help, and DF is impossible (I am looking at you FCoB)....what does someone in my shoes do? Just suck it up and accept that I won't get a clear?

 

Well, like I said earlier it'd be worthwhile making a thread on this site asking if there's people willing to team up and try and get through a particular bit of content together. There's a high chance a lot of people are in the same boat. 

 

If that doesn't work then you'll just have to repeat the various methods of getting a group together and hope for the best.

[Edda]

sorry, second page then:

It's dependent on the primal music in question. If it has phases, it's the post astral flow music from what I've seen. For example, on Gullfaxi, it starts Titan's theme right after he uses Earthen Fury. Where as with Xanthos, it just starts with the beginning of Garuda's theme since there's no transitions.

 

I imagine Shiva's and Leviathans start post astral flow, and Ramuh and Ifrit are the full songs.

 

Imagine is a profoundly powerful word.

 

I do interact with people. Daily. So my question for you and the community maybe is, when PF groups repeatedly fail or fail to form, and friends won't help, and DF is impossible (I am looking at you FCoB)....what does someone in my shoes do? Just suck it up and accept that I won't get a clear?

No. Honestly, this is probably the most predictable advice ever, but I do really believe it. You will get a clear. What is important is that you don't stop trying. Balmung is a huge server, so it is really only a matter of finding the right people - the people who mesh well with your attitude and how you play, and who share the same interest in clearing and helping with content. Remember, you can't win if you don't play, but if you give up you will most certainly never clear anything.

 

There is an abundance of tools for you to use at your disposal. The official and fan forums. Party Finder. Shout. Hell, I've gotten tons of clears just by whispering people in PF who are looking for 'experienced players only,' despite not having much experience myself. Just keep trying dude, you'll get it.

[Kage]

Honestly if I were to monk it up in this instance I'd ask for a cannon position - less of a chance to screw up rotation and I can probably be more useful that way.

 

Once cannons aRe down you can also actually dps without him moving. Lb may be different

 

 

You might ask friends "when arent you busy? " You might ask on these forums, setting up a doodle getting 6-7 others to say they will help you. You don't give up. You give up you're done.

 

I've repeatedly mentioned on these forums and in other linkshells that I. Queue. Into. steps. Or. Join. PFs. I see when bored to help people with Steps.

 

I've found others who do the same thing. I mean my weekend is busy with my brother's wedding and a friend's wedding but if you and others can find a time, do it. The worst part is finding people who give up quickly.

[Warren Castille]

I spent weeks wiping to T5 in DF because somehow everyone but me seemed to die to Twisters. I spent a lifetime of grueling hells dying to Titan EX because somehow everyone but me seemed to die to Landslides.

 

These fights blow. If you don't arrange a party to help you clear it, you bleed yourself on the grindstone and hope it works out before you're out of parts to grind.

[Kellach Woods]

never bothered with the EXes. guess I should just to learn them

[Aaron]

* Warren Castille gets back on the elitist soapbox.

 

Saying "This game is easy" should automatically link your raid and EX achievement lists.

 

Edit: Along with what % of Echo you cleared them with.

I've cleared all the Ex and can reliably farm them but I stopped coil after T9 because SOMEONE RUINED THE ENDING FOR ME!

 

s-still S-Senpai notice me please? ;_; I-I want to make you proud D:

[Warren Castille]

never bothered with the EXes. guess I should just to learn them

 

That's the tricky part: DFing those fights requires not only you to have learned the encounters, but for seven other people to have as well.

 

I've cleared all the Ex and can reliably farm them but I stopped coil after T9 because SOMEONE RUINED THE ENDING FOR ME!

 

s-still S-Senpai notice me please? ;_; I-I want to make you proud D:

 

I'm just venting. I'm about as casual as they come, but I don't think this game is "easy." I've done my time raiding in WoW and had a lot of success in FFXI and it's very simple to mistake learning something and executing something for it being, well, simple.

 

I think it's a holdover of my younger days: People who weren't doing the content we were doing would repeatedly tell everyone struggling on it how "easy" things were, based on the truly elite having overcome it in a faster frame of time. If you don't have the experience, the actual experience of having met something, defeated it and overcome it (hence my call for "farm status") I think it's dismissive to declare something simple because you know so-and-so from world-first-FC managed to get past it in the first day.

 

I know you've got legit raiding chops, Aaron.

[Kellach Woods]

That's the tricky part: DFing those fights requires not only you to have learned the encounters, but for seven other people to have as well.

 

The worst part I think would be learning the necessary tankswaps assuming I'm going as WAR. If not, it's standard DPS fare of don't stand in shit.