Liberal police state

[ShoggMommy]

I really dislike the seemingly feigned outrage over this. If people are receiving multiple warnings and getting into trouble then the burden is on their shoulders rather than being a problem with the site's moderation.

It's not unusual for a site to employ a 'three strikes and you're out' approach. It's also not unusual for a site to make the use of gifs/images impossible or frowned upon. You can't embed such things into posts over on WoW's official site for instance.

 

I'm far from a prude but it does get tiring to be reading an interesting thread only for someone to post a silly image that is then given a lot of attention/praise. If it's a silly thread/forum game then it's perfectly fine in my eyes but let's be honest here: if there's a debate going on about Au Ra and someone swoops in with a 'this again lol' comment and silly image then it's going to risk dragging the thread through the dirt.

 

There's a time and a place for them - and they're much better suited to threads that aren't going to be heavy on debate/in-depth responses.

 

However a lot of gifs are breaking the rule in the manner that they're dropped down with an intent to provide little to no contribution other than to 'lul' mentality as Graeham has pointed out in the above. (I do apologize if this doesn't make much sense, I'm pretty tired and I'm going to call it an evening now as I've had to edit this a few times to try to clarify things.) I'm quoting the post because it's quite true. The fact that they derail legitimate, interesting debates and often times turn the thread nearly into something very close to "yo' momma' jokes" and completely off of the original topic is harmful.

 

Just as the way of using memes as a "I'm not passive aggressive, I'm funny, see I'm funny!" weapon against a person is harmful. Using them in a snide-y manner is against the rules so yes, they are harmful in that case and they certainly don't contribute at all when used like this.

 

I'll use the au ra threads as an example as well. As when I first found out about the au ra I was super excited and I wanted to see what others thought about them, and lo' it became a slag-fest of slinging mud + the drop-in memes thing turns a good thread into a complete train-wreck.

 

I personally would like to see gifs removed from discussion threads if people aren't going to use them appropriately.

 

Could I ignore them? Yes, and often times I do. But when they turn a thread into garbage it's disheartening. Also, just to say I'm not going to directly link to any post where this is an example as it would fall under the name-calling thingy.

 

I will also agree that many sites do not allow the use of memes in such a way. The mod teams just don't want to deal with it because it causes derail often.

[Alothia]

Alright, I've held my peace until I calmed down, and now I feel sufficiently well rested to respond to this thread as a whole.

 

Not everyone is going to like all the rules all the time. It's a fact of life. Does that mean you don't have to uphold them? No. Does that mean we can't discuss them in a peaceful manner? Also no. But raging in a thread that uses a title that is hyperbolic and incendiary is not discussion. It's rabble rousing. If I remember correctly, there is a thread that is specifically for discussion of the rules. I think that the majority of what is being said there could have been said there.

 

In the first post, the warning that is in question was given by me. Before I gave the warning, I checked with the two other mods that happened to be online to see if I was correct in giving the warning. While the thread was in the Off-Topic forum, it seemed to be of a fairly serious nature. People were contributing to the thread in an insightful and well thought out manner. While I appreciated the humor in Edda's post, it didn't fit with the spirit of the thread, I felt. Again, this is why I tried to get consensus from the other moderators before taking any action. Both moderators online agreed with my assessment, and I went forward with the warning. My justification was that, although it was funny, it did try to derail the thread somewhat. No one is saying that you can't post pictures at all in threads. But it didn't add anything to the discussion other than a haha. If the picture and comment had been followed by something that contributed to the thread as a whole, I would have taken no issue with it. I think that that's the line that we're trying to fall on. Sure, there are some threads where just a picture is warranted, like the ones specifically labeled as picture/gif threads. There is a tendency for people to go off onto tangents of image/meme/gif postings, and so I was trying to keep that from happening. I'm not as verbose in explaining things as Melkire is, so forgive me if this comes off as disjointed. I'm doing what I can.

 

There is going to be times when people don't think things are fair. I get that. Again, raising a hubbub over it isn't the way to get your voice heard. In general, I think we're more likely to hear out a well thought out post that is sent to us in PMs than an entire thread to calling us a "police state."  I think that goes for most people.

 

As far as the number of warnings that it takes to get a permaban, I'm in the camp that says that perhaps what we've set is even too much. How many chances does it take to understand what is expected? I don't want this to be a place where anyone can say whatever they want with no expected consequences. There's a reason I love this website and this community as a whole. We're not like some of the other RP sites for other games. We've always had a higher standard for our members. I don't think that it's a bad thing. And we can agree to disagree on that point. I'd rather have a place with some semblance of order than chaos. There's a reason I avoid places like 4chan. Again, some people don't like that. You're entitled to your opinion. 

 

Many people in this thread have left valid concerns, and it's something that we as a mod team are taking into consideration. We're trying to clarify the rules so that everyone can be consistent: mods and non mods alike. You're going to make mistakes. We're going to make mistakes. We're only human. I will reiterate...if you're feeling angry or emotional, take a step away from the keyboard. I've had to do it before. I had to do it last night. 

 

I don't have much else to say on the subject. I just wanted to get my thoughts down before I lost it all. This is a great community with a great player base. I'd like to see us come together to figure this all out together. But I can't make people stay if they dislike how things are done. I can only say that we'll try and work with suggestions and we'll take thoughts into consideration. But we can't listen to everyone. Keep that in mind. Someone is going to end up unhappy, and as much as it sucks, it's the truth of the matter. 

 

Happy journeys in Eorzea and here on the RPC. I'll probably go quiet for the rest of the day, but I'll be keeping tabs on stuff. If you need me, you know how to get a hold of me.

[Gone.]

... so let me get this straight.

 

You're upset that a post which clearly violates the RPC rules (which in themselves are quite cut and dry) resulted in a warning issued to the poster in the most open, transparent way possible?

 

And you think this is somehow 'liberal policing'?

 

Image macros aren't funny; they're a cop-out devoid of any real critical thinking, the most blatant shitpost one can ever make on a forum. It doesn't add to the discussion in any rational way. It veers it off-course in one obnoxious, self-indulgent swoop.

 

The RPC moderation team dealt with the situation accordingly, if not admirably so. That they're willing to let your thread stay open when it truthfully amounts to nothing more than a disproportionate knee jerk reaction is a testament to that in the fullest extent.

[Sailor July]

Perfectly said, Alothia!

 

hauntmedoitagain, I can say that I use gifs often, and they often portray me perfectly. Me, or my humor, or my beliefs. I can understand not using them in this discussion or that one, but I wouldn't rule them out all together. They do have their purpose for some of us.

[Askier]

I think it boils down to this:

 

Do your tax dollars pay for this web site?  No?  So it's not government property and therefor not public property to the people and not subject to public opinion.

 

Does your monthly internet fee to a private company go to paying for this website's upkeep?  No?  Then you aren't paying for the rights to use this website.

 

Is this website privately owned and required you to sign a policy agreement form to use it where you agreed to all the rules? You bet ya.

 

So, in the end, you might disagree with something this website does.  But it's up to the discretion of the moderators and owners of this website to decide how things ultimately play out.  If I buy a house and I want to paint the inside blood red, it's my right to do so. And if I let people in and they don't like the color, I'm under no obligation to change it.

 

However, I think Freelance and ALL the moderators here do an excellent job giving us a place to indulge out hobby and socialize while also listening to our opinions if we disagree with something.

 

EDIT: Also, had to add this, linking this to the idea of a liberal police state is just tacky and ,honestly, reduced any validity of your comment to zill.

[Ignacius]

On that note, what the Hell is a "liberal" police state?  I mean, leftist I'd understand, but liberal police state is an oxymoron.  A police state is, by definition, totalitarian.

[Erik Mynhier]

So I read all of it. Very slowly I watched this thread unfold all day. I wanted to post here and there but wanted to get a feel and understanding of both sides. I believe what I am seeing is a growing/changing community. A year ago we had a smaller site here. Sure numbers were there but I only counted maybe 15 active posters, myself included. Yes I know there were more then 15 users on the site, and more then that posted, but those 15-20 were the majority of posts. Now a year later, the number of majority posters have doubled. I count about 30 people who post most of the posts.

 

So as the numbers go up, new ideas showed up. More people meant more conflicting opinions. Now it wasn't just WHM/DRG threads that flamed, but many different things not set off arguments. New words (not really new but new here) started appearing. Words like hyperbole, echo chamber, baiting, populars, hugbox, and so on. In what seems like a sudden shift, but looking back was a gradual change, the site became divisive. So mods do as they normally do, claim rules had always been the rules, and began to enforce them more then they did. This causes some (mostly long time users) to become irritated. Yes the rules were always there in some form, but the smaller size of the community allowed for more personal interactions, fewer people, with fewer misunderstandings because everyone knew everyone and there was an understanding of people. Older users remember that personal feel, that looser use of rules and feel the tightening as the rules are changed to effectively handle the larger and less personal community.

 

A similar situation has been effecting the Red Wings for the last few months. Where as we are still personal and friends, as our numbers have grown, rules had to be put in place where before it was more an understanding among friends. Again we are all friends and friendly, but as different people joined, with differences in how they do things, it had to be organized more and became less personal. An example I can give is that in the early days of the FC there was no rule on bad mouthing or being toxic, however when a few new people joined, several members decided that they were not like them or something like that. Names were called, like "terrible" and "bitch", and even though they tried hard to not let it be known what was said behind the back, my ears are sharp, and friendships with others outside the fc leaned to me things said in confidence. This back and forth, old and new, caused a rift. Feelings were hurt, moves made in secret, friendship and understanding were lost. There was no set rule about such behavior and yet I thought it was understood, and as the fc leader that was my shortcoming I felt.

 

I do things differently now. The fc is no longer run on a "gentleman's agreement" as it was before. There are rules in place to keep fragmentation from growing as it did. Rules that protect new members from distrust and disrespect. And a more cut and dry, and by virtue, a more transparent method of punishment. We recently let a member go, something in the past I never would have done. This was more then a fc I use to think, its a family.... but it is not. The member in question violated rules, was warned publicly, and on the third warning removed from the rolls. I felt bad but it had to be done. To me as the oldest member here, I can see what we are now, and though good and even stronger and more focused then we were, I can see what was lost. And on that I worried that I would dry up my own fc, and a few did go, but in time were replaced by better people. And though it is less "a family" now, there is a focus now, a feeling of unity. We are all on the same page, no room to misunderstand what is expected, and from that transparency we form friendships which feel more trustworthy.

 

So from all that I sort of see on a larger scale what is happening in the RPC. More and more people coming in, different ways of seeing things (ie, gifs disruptive & gifs not disruptive), rules changing to meet the needs, hells even new leadership on the way. There will be whispers in secret, feelings hurt, and so on. But if we manage to hold fast through the changes, we may come out stronger then ever.

[Aduu Avagnar]

Confirmed; memes and videos and all that fun stuff are fine as long as they're relevant and not posted to derail or instigate trouble.

So, teachable moment #3.

 

That video up there? And that meme image post? Those are both warnable posts. "Spurious off-topic posts, including meme images and patent nonsense." It's right there in section 1. Derailing threads with that stuff is a very, very quick way to run up your warning level. Does that mean you can never post such things? No. If you include some content and context as well and the image or video is germane to your post, then it's fine. If the thread is about meme images or videos, have fun. The policies are about context and purpose.

 

Consider this your "tap on the shoulder" notice. Next time's a formal warning.

With respect, the rules have not been modified. The policies just clarify and standardize how we're going to be enforcing them.

 

 

 

 

 

The whole thing about Meme's was brought up before the new moderation policy was put in place. A lengthy discussion was had, and as far as I was aware most people here were involved in that discussion also, and I had thought had come to accept, if not fully agree with said rules and clarifications provided (see above).

[Edvyn]

ive been noticing this weird pattern where people who push for the rpc to be handled with kid gloves are also super condescending to people who disagree with them

 

kinda goes against the philosophy, doesn't it?

 

the "tolerant" people are the least tolerant of all

 

Mod Note: Belittling/Baiting. User was warned for this post. - Melkire

[Aduu Avagnar]

No one is calling for kid gloves. The mods decided that it was required to actually be more stringent with the rules that everyone agreed to when signing up to the website.

 

That's being responsible and owning what you say.

[Aduu Avagnar]

On that note, what the Hell is a "liberal" police state?  I mean, leftist I'd understand, but liberal police state is an oxymoron.  A police state is, by definition, totalitarian.

it's probably the same sort of thing as a Liberal Fascist.... at least in the way that it tends to be used now.

[allgivenover]

This topic having over a hundred replies and thousands of views is just sad. No wonder Freelance is jumping the admin ship.

[Gone.]

This topic having over a hundred replies and thousands of views is just sad. No wonder Freelance is jumping the admin ship.

 

I don't think posts like this really help the situation any.

[Edvyn]

No one is calling for kid gloves. The mods decided that it was required to actually be more stringent with the rules that everyone agreed to when signing up to the website.

 

That's being responsible and owning what you say.

and why did the mods decide that, i wonder? could it be because roleplayers were doing what roleplayers do best and making drama out of nothing?

 

the rules revisions weren't a random decision made on the fly, they were a reaction to a barrage of complaints

 

i have seen this kind of ridiculous shit happen in pretty much every rp community ive been part of (and it probably wasnt just me, surely im not that much of an impact on people). someone inevitably works themselves into rectal fission over the idea that they're being picked on, these people gradually form a loud and demanding group, administration goes on a witch hunt and things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins

 

it always happens, it's a fucking farce when it happens and im both amazed and appalled that it keeps happening no matter where i go

 

when will you people learn???

 

youre gonna miss me when im gone

[Nebbs]

This topic having over a hundred replies and thousands of views is just sad. No wonder Freelance is jumping the admin ship.

 

I don't think posts like this really help the situation any.

 

I am lamenting that non game/RP related posts are taking over

[allgivenover]

This topic having over a hundred replies and thousands of views is just sad. No wonder Freelance is jumping the admin ship.

 

I don't think posts like this really help the situation any.

 

I am lamenting that non game/RP related posts are taking over

 

^ This here. 

 

The RPC has increasingly become more about arguing the meta of the website itself than having to do with role-play. 

 

Hell, if it were me in control this topic would have been gone the moment I saw it. And if OP and others didn't like it or wanted to cry about a "liberal police state", I'd tell them that the RPC is a privately owned website and that I didn't owe them shit. They're free to go make their own role play website where tedious off topic debate is allowed.

[Aduu Avagnar]

No one is calling for kid gloves. The mods decided that it was required to actually be more stringent with the rules that everyone agreed to when signing up to the website.

 

That's being responsible and owning what you say.

and why did the mods decide that, i wonder? could it be because roleplayers were doing what roleplayers do best and making drama out of nothing?

 

the rules revisions weren't a random decision made on the fly, they were a reaction to a barrage of complaints

 

i have seen this kind of ridiculous shit happen in pretty much every rp community ive been part of (and it probably wasnt just me, surely im not that much of an impact on people). someone inevitably works themselves into rectal fission over the idea that they're being picked on, these people gradually form a loud and demanding group, administration goes on a witch hunt and things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins

 

it always happens, it's a fucking farce when it happens and im both amazed and appalled that it keeps happening no matter where i go

 

when will you people learn???

 

youre gonna miss me when im gone

personally? no I won't but that's cause I don't feel we're close, and as such, it will simply be a meh feeling. I will think it is sad that you felt you had to leave, but that will be it.

 

The reason, to my knowledge, that the rules were clarified was that the moderation team felt that the environment within the RPC had deteriorated to a point were taking action was felt to be an appropriate step. They are also members of the community, and have a fairly good grasp of the environment they want to promote. Most of them having been here since 1.0.

 

Yes, the number of complaints received likely went up as the community deteriorated. Which it did. That is a basic causality, and likely to be expected.

 

Also, to state that 'things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins' is a gross error. They were always against the rules, however there was more leniency given in that past. It is now felt that the leniency has been taken advantage of, and the mods are now being more proactive.

 

Don't like the rules? No one is telling you to stay.

[Winters Knight]

This topic having over a hundred replies and thousands of views is just sad. No wonder Freelance is jumping the admin ship.

 

If I remember correctly, what I just read in his post states that he is stepping down for personal reasons. I doubt I'm the only one - new as I may be - that sees this comment of yours as a bit of a stretch.

 

   1. The thread is posted in Off-Topic, which I would believe everyone browses for some laughs and insanity.

 

   2. The original posts were simply in place to establish how silly the accusation of "police state" was.

 

   3. From there the conversation simply grew as a conflict. The masses love conflicts. Don't believe me, watch the news. Conflict conflict filler conflict. And so more people - such as myself - threw their hat into the ring.

 

And so here we are. I don't think this thread as a whole reflects negatively on the RPC, and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally find that making obscure statements that impede upon the privacy that another has asked for is nothing short of rude.

 

Let individuals discuss what they will, but don't name drop. And most certainly do not drop names for reasons which you do not truly comprehend.

[Edvyn]

No one is calling for kid gloves. The mods decided that it was required to actually be more stringent with the rules that everyone agreed to when signing up to the website.

 

That's being responsible and owning what you say.

and why did the mods decide that, i wonder? could it be because roleplayers were doing what roleplayers do best and making drama out of nothing?

 

the rules revisions weren't a random decision made on the fly, they were a reaction to a barrage of complaints

 

i have seen this kind of ridiculous shit happen in pretty much every rp community ive been part of (and it probably wasnt just me, surely im not that much of an impact on people). someone inevitably works themselves into rectal fission over the idea that they're being picked on, these people gradually form a loud and demanding group, administration goes on a witch hunt and things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins

 

it always happens, it's a fucking farce when it happens and im both amazed and appalled that it keeps happening no matter where i go

 

when will you people learn???

 

youre gonna miss me when im gone

personally? no I won't but that's cause I don't feel we're close, and as such, it will simply be a meh feeling. I will think it is sad that you felt you had to leave, but that will be it.

 

The reason, to my knowledge, that the rules were clarified was that the moderation team felt that the environment within the RPC had deteriorated to a point were taking action was felt to be an appropriate step. They are also members of the community, and have a fairly good grasp of the environment they want to promote. Most of them having been here since 1.0.

 

Yes, the number of complaints received likely went up as the community deteriorated. Which it did. That is a basic causality, and likely to be expected.

 

Also, to state that 'things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins' is a gross error. They were always against the rules, however there was more leniency given in that past. It is now felt that the leniency has been taken advantage of, and the mods are now being more proactive.

 

Don't like the rules? No one is telling you to stay.

it's like you didn't even read my post, you're just spouting the same tired points you've been trying to smugly shut other people down with for the past month or so

 

the mods felt this the mods felt that community deterioration theyve been round a long time they must be right dont like it leave youre wrong but im not gonna tell you why im just gonna use words like "causality" and "error" to make my arguments for me instead

 

i dont like the rules so im gonna bitch about them incessantly until im forced to stop, and then when im forced to stop im just gonna bitch somewhere else, i will bitch so goddamn hard that my keyboard will be sticky with sweat, tears, spilt coffee and drool

 

im gonna throw tantrums the likes of which the internet's never (read: always) seen and you're gonna watch me

 

 

Mod Note: Attempting to undermine moderator actions/decisions, Section 4. User was warned for this post. Warning resulted in 100% warning level and a one week temporary ban. - Melkire

[allgivenover]

This topic having over a hundred replies and thousands of views is just sad. No wonder Freelance is jumping the admin ship.

 

If I remember correctly, what I just read in his post states that he is stepping down for personal reasons. I doubt I'm the only one - new as I may be - that sees this comment of yours as a bit of a stretch.

 

   1. The thread is posted in Off-Topic, which I would believe everyone browses for some laughs and insanity.

 

   2. The original posts were simply in place to establish how silly the accusation of "police state" was.

 

   3. From there the conversation simply grew as a conflict. The masses love conflicts. Don't believe me, watch the news. Conflict conflict filler conflict. And so more people - such as myself - threw their hat into the ring.

 

And so here we are. I don't think this thread as a whole reflects negatively on the RPC, and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I personally find that making obscure statements that impede upon the privacy that another has asked for is nothing short of rude.

 

Let individuals discuss what they will, but don't name drop. And most certainly do not drop names for reasons which you do not truly comprehend.

 

I'm just going on a limb here and guessing that in addition to this topic Freelance's private message box is probably stuffed with angry messages. 

 

I don't know Freelance at all really, but watching what goes on here all the time and having been a mod elsewhere I've seen what angry forum users will do to an inbox, and there's certainly a LOT more anger here than where I was a mod. 

 

So yeah, I'm speculating about private reasons, but that's a far cry from name dropping. Name dropping is something you do to make yourself seem more important in a certain community. I don't see how bringing up Freelance's PUBLIC statement to step down and speculating that it might be because managing this place is a nightmare is name dropping.

 

Finally, I don't see the point in telling me to "let people" do anything. I'm not a mod and would never ever seek to be one here after seeing the shit this community is capable of stirring up. So how about we turn that back on you and I tell you to "let me" say my piece about a topic that I frankly think is shitting up the community here?

[Aduu Avagnar]

No one is calling for kid gloves. The mods decided that it was required to actually be more stringent with the rules that everyone agreed to when signing up to the website.

 

That's being responsible and owning what you say.

and why did the mods decide that, i wonder? could it be because roleplayers were doing what roleplayers do best and making drama out of nothing?

 

the rules revisions weren't a random decision made on the fly, they were a reaction to a barrage of complaints

 

i have seen this kind of ridiculous shit happen in pretty much every rp community ive been part of (and it probably wasnt just me, surely im not that much of an impact on people). someone inevitably works themselves into rectal fission over the idea that they're being picked on, these people gradually form a loud and demanding group, administration goes on a witch hunt and things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins

 

it always happens, it's a fucking farce when it happens and im both amazed and appalled that it keeps happening no matter where i go

 

when will you people learn???

 

youre gonna miss me when im gone

personally? no I won't but that's cause I don't feel we're close, and as such, it will simply be a meh feeling. I will think it is sad that you felt you had to leave, but that will be it.

 

The reason, to my knowledge, that the rules were clarified was that the moderation team felt that the environment within the RPC had deteriorated to a point were taking action was felt to be an appropriate step. They are also members of the community, and have a fairly good grasp of the environment they want to promote. Most of them having been here since 1.0.

 

Yes, the number of complaints received likely went up as the community deteriorated. Which it did. That is a basic causality, and likely to be expected.

 

Also, to state that 'things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins' is a gross error. They were always against the rules, however there was more leniency given in that past. It is now felt that the leniency has been taken advantage of, and the mods are now being more proactive.

 

Don't like the rules? No one is telling you to stay.

it's like you didn't even read my post, you're just spouting the same tired points you've been trying to smugly shut other people down with for the past month or so

 

the mods felt this the mods felt that community deterioration theyve been round a long time they must be right dont like it leave youre wrong but im not gonna tell you why im just gonna use words like "causality" and "error" to make my arguments for me instead

 

i dont like the rules so im gonna bitch about them incessantly until im forced to stop, and then when im forced to stop im just gonna bitch somewhere else, i will bitch so goddamn hard that my keyboard will be sticky with sweat, tears, spilt coffee and drool

 

im gonna throw tantrums the likes of which the internet's never (read: always) seen and you're gonna watch me

and it's almost as if you've simply ignored those points cause they don't kowtow to your percieved freedoms on this site.

 

lets break it down for you. The community atmostphere within this group has deteriorated (or gotten worse, if you are unsure as to what it means). This is a fact. Even when there was heated debate and argument over which server for people to join, balmung or Gilgamesh, it was never this bad. As the mods have been part of that community, seeing it go through said deterioration, they are entitled to try and step up their game by actively policing the rules that you agree to when you sign up to this site.

 

I shouldn't have to tell you why that is.... it's just basic common understanding that moderators are there to, wait for it, moderate the users and the threads to ensure that they conform to the aforementioned rules.

 

believing that using specific words like errors diminishes my argument shows that it wasn't fully understood by yourself, so apologies if the language I have used is more simplistic for you this time.

[Edvyn]

No one is calling for kid gloves. The mods decided that it was required to actually be more stringent with the rules that everyone agreed to when signing up to the website.

 

That's being responsible and owning what you say.

and why did the mods decide that, i wonder? could it be because roleplayers were doing what roleplayers do best and making drama out of nothing?

 

the rules revisions weren't a random decision made on the fly, they were a reaction to a barrage of complaints

 

i have seen this kind of ridiculous shit happen in pretty much every rp community ive been part of (and it probably wasnt just me, surely im not that much of an impact on people). someone inevitably works themselves into rectal fission over the idea that they're being picked on, these people gradually form a loud and demanding group, administration goes on a witch hunt and things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins

 

it always happens, it's a fucking farce when it happens and im both amazed and appalled that it keeps happening no matter where i go

 

when will you people learn???

 

youre gonna miss me when im gone

personally? no I won't but that's cause I don't feel we're close, and as such, it will simply be a meh feeling. I will think it is sad that you felt you had to leave, but that will be it.

 

The reason, to my knowledge, that the rules were clarified was that the moderation team felt that the environment within the RPC had deteriorated to a point were taking action was felt to be an appropriate step. They are also members of the community, and have a fairly good grasp of the environment they want to promote. Most of them having been here since 1.0.

 

Yes, the number of complaints received likely went up as the community deteriorated. Which it did. That is a basic causality, and likely to be expected.

 

Also, to state that 'things that were never seen as a problem in the past are suddenly mortal sins' is a gross error. They were always against the rules, however there was more leniency given in that past. It is now felt that the leniency has been taken advantage of, and the mods are now being more proactive.

 

Don't like the rules? No one is telling you to stay.

it's like you didn't even read my post, you're just spouting the same tired points you've been trying to smugly shut other people down with for the past month or so

 

the mods felt this the mods felt that community deterioration theyve been round a long time they must be right dont like it leave youre wrong but im not gonna tell you why im just gonna use words like "causality" and "error" to make my arguments for me instead

 

i dont like the rules so im gonna bitch about them incessantly until im forced to stop, and then when im forced to stop im just gonna bitch somewhere else, i will bitch so goddamn hard that my keyboard will be sticky with sweat, tears, spilt coffee and drool

 

im gonna throw tantrums the likes of which the internet's never (read: always) seen and you're gonna watch me

and it's almost as if you've simply ignored those points cause they don't kowtow to your percieved freedoms on this site.

 

lets break it down for you. The community atmostphere within this group has deteriorated (or gotten worse, if you are unsure as to what it means). This is a fact. Even when there was heated debate and argument over which server for people to join, balmung or Gilgamesh, it was never this bad. As the mods have been part of that community, seeing it go through said deterioration, they are entitled to try and step up their game by actively policing the rules that you agree to when you sign up to this site.

 

I shouldn't have to tell you why that is.... it's just basic common understanding that moderators are there to, wait for it, moderate the users and the threads to ensure that they conform to the aforementioned rules.

 

believing that using specific words like errors diminishes my argument shows that it wasn't fully understood by yourself, so apologies if the language I have used is more simplistic for you this time.

i pick fights with chumps like you for sport, i've seen the internet smartguy act plenty of times before and it doesn't work no matter how hard you try to push it

 

your language doesn't matter to me, i can understand everything you're telling me, you're just not giving me facts - my actual concern is that you don't understand what you're saying

 

if it's a fact, prove it. show me the deterioration. stop talking down to people and trying to show a bunch of forum nerds how clever you are for talking like a fucking android

[Ignacius]

On that note, what the Hell is a "liberal" police state?  I mean, leftist I'd understand, but liberal police state is an oxymoron.  A police state is, by definition, totalitarian.

it's probably the same sort of thing as a Liberal Fascist.... at least in the way that it tends to be used now.

 

It still doesn't make any sense.  Totalitarianism isn't "liberal" no matter what the ideology is.  You can't strictly enforce anarchy.

 

I mean, either way, it does feel pretty toxic on this forum.  I think it'd do for people to just step back and take a breath.

 

I mean, we do still talk about RP here, right?

[Ignacius]

i pick fights with chumps like you for sport, i've seen the internet smartguy act plenty of times before and it doesn't work no matter how hard you try to push it

 

your language doesn't matter to me, i can understand everything you're telling me, you're just not giving me facts - my actual concern is that you don't understand what you're saying

 

if it's a fact, prove it. show me the deterioration. stop talking down to people and trying to show a bunch of forum nerds how clever you are for talking like a fucking android

 

You just showed everyone the deterioration, ironically.

[Edda]

and it's almost as if you've simply ignored those points cause they don't kowtow to your percieved freedoms on this site.

 

lets break it down for you. The community atmostphere within this group has deteriorated (or gotten worse, if you are unsure as to what it means). This is a fact. Even when there was heated debate and argument over which server for people to join, balmung or Gilgamesh, it was never this bad. As the mods have been part of that community, seeing it go through said deterioration, they are entitled to try and step up their game by actively policing the rules that you agree to when you sign up to this site.

 

I shouldn't have to tell you why that is.... it's just basic common understanding that moderators are there to, wait for it, moderate the users and the threads to ensure that they conform to the aforementioned rules.

 

believing that using specific words like errors diminishes my argument shows that it wasn't fully understood by yourself, so apologies if the language I have used is more simplistic for you this time.

Bad form, dude. Not really sure what you're trying to pick a fight about, as you've said essentially nothing that hasn't already been discussed thoroughly, but the snide attitude isn't doing you any favors, and only contributes to the deterioration you mentioned.