On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question

[LiadansWhisper]

Teleportation sits kind of iffy with me as well.

Though if someone would use it during an rp I'd just shrug it off and keep going.

 

Since they would have to stand there and focus completely on the spell for something like 10 minutes in order to actually teleport properly, I can completely understand.

[Branson Thorne]

Teleportation sits kind of iffy with me as well.

Though if someone would use it during an rp I'd just shrug it off and keep going.

 

Since they would have to stand there and focus completely on the spell for something like 10 minutes in order to actually teleport properly, I can completely understand.

 

In which case I'd probably get bored and start drinking or trying to punch out little Lalas

[Mae]

You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.

 

Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.

Yes, look at all those Ishgardians being flung of Witchdrop how much they had a trail by combat!

 

I really think you only get a trail by combat if you have the status for it, rest will just be flung off witchdrop or executed otherwise.

 

As I said, those suspected of being Heretics and those suspected of Heretic Sympathizing are likely treated differently. Tataru Taru has no status anywhere. She's a secretary. You could consider it a diplomatic triviality, but if you return to Dragonhead, those Witchdrop executions were performed by a vile and corrupt individual whose entire goal was death.

 

You can't compare that to actual Ishgardian Law

I believe (I could be wrong) it was mentioned either during those MSQ events or in side-quests that popped up around that time that accused heretics being tossed off the cliff at Witchdrop was a "tradition" prior to Guillaume -- who was relatively new in Dragonhead and Whitebrim -- using it.

[Ashianna]

I think this is a great character concept. While not directly involved in an "underground railroad" of sorts, my character helped another family that was close to her own escape when their father (not hers) was falsely accused some years ago. Their father didn't make it, but his wife and children did, due to the help of a secret few. In my story, those that helped were simply npcs, but perhaps when you have your backstory sorted out, we could say that your "group"/character was part of the secret few that helped.

 

My Elezen is a lesser noble from Ishgard who desires more to heal and help those in need in Ishgard than to be the proper noble daughter her father would like her to be. Feel free to drop me a line if you are interested at all.

[Larson]

You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.

 

Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.

Yes, look at all those Ishgardians being flung of Witchdrop how much they had a trail by combat!

 

I really think you only get a trail by combat if you have the status for it, rest will just be flung off witchdrop or executed otherwise.

 

As I said, those suspected of being Heretics and those suspected of Heretic Sympathizing are likely treated differently. Tataru Taru has no status anywhere. She's a secretary. You could consider it a diplomatic triviality, but if you return to Dragonhead, those Witchdrop executions were performed by a vile and corrupt individual whose entire goal was death.

 

You can't compare that to actual Ishgardian Law

I believe (I could be wrong) it was mentioned either during those MSQ events or in side-quests that popped up around that time that accused heretics being tossed off the cliff at Witchdrop was a "tradition" prior to Guillaume -- who was relatively new in Dragonhead and Whitebrim -- using it.

Yes, but what about people that aid them? Fraternizers. People who might not necessarily share their views but have given them aid. Those who are accused of aiding them but not of holding their dangerous beliefs seem to be detained and tried. Guillaume likely denied many their right to trial and that was allowed by blind faith.

[Sounsyy]

Ishgard has many ways of dealing with heretics. Most seem to result in execution, whether by dropping from Witchdrop, or trial by combat, or simply put to death. I think Vyce's distinction holds some merit, but I'd have to do a more extensive search into the lore behind it. Heretics and Dravanians are put to death, while those who seem to offer them support are first detained by the Inquisition and may be put to Trial or executed for conspiracy to commit heresy later. Those with nobler standing (such as Ser Yuhelmeric) may be given the benefit of a fair trial.

 

At last, it is ours once more... My parents presented this sapphire to me on my wedding day, as my wife and I presented it to Yuhelmeric on his. One day, they would do the same for their son... But for that disgrace of an inquisitor! Suspicion of heresy, what rot! He knew what he wanted from the start.

 

...By the time I secured her release, they had interrogated her for days. She...she was a shadow of her former self. But the final insult─the final twisting of the knife─was when my son took command at the Dusk Vigil and found the ice rondel to be the centerpiece of the newly commissioned sculpture of the Fury. He couldn't prove it was the selfsame one which had vanished, but, oh, he knew... But no more, no more! It is back with the family, where it belongs.

 

A knight patrolling the Brume was approached by a lowborn girl who exclaimed that her parents had given her a beautiful present for her nameday. Although she had been told to keep it a secret' date=' in her excitement she revealed that it was a draconian rosary. Needless to say, the girl's parents will not be returning by supper. I would send her some sweets as thanks for her service to the Holy See.[/quote']

 

Notices have been posted hither and thither for a wanted heretic hiding among the baseborn; yet it seems there are those who would still protect such a sacrilegious traitor. Upon passing by some of the posters' date=' I noticed many scratched up, torn. There are even those who have been defiled by coarse graffiti about the priests and their poor mothers. If the flea-bitten mutts intend to mock me, then I shall have need of mythrite ink, whose properties allow it to project beyond lesser inks which have been applied over it.[/quote']

 

The village of Hemlock in the western highlands of Coerthas was thought to be abandoned, but rumors have surfaced that men are attempting to reclaim the ruins for sinister purposes. The Inquisition would like to send one of their own to investigate, disguised as a farmhand returning home. She must needs look convincing, and thus requires suitable garb.

 

If rumors are to be believed' date=' there are fish in Azys Lla known as bullwhips who jump and thrash when but a mere drop of dragon blood - sweet as nectar to their palate - falls in their vicinity. I shiver with delight when I hear this, for it means a quicker way to discern an accused heretic. Could I trouble you to bring me some fresh specimens to test the theory? Do not take pains to feed them. We have plenty of food available.[/quote']

 

I had a criminal executed for his public display of heresy' date=' but I fear he may have sown seeds of discipleship. When I granted reprieve for a moment of quiet repentance ere the cold steel's cut, the miscreant drew a copy of the sacrilegious tome, the Necrologos, concealed within the folds of his robes. His obsession led him to rip out the pages, scattering them to the reach of strong winds and cackling about his "followers" until I ordered his lunacy be brought to an end. Retrieve the torn pages and exhaust the monstrosities within so no others might succumb to the void's taint.[/quote']

[111]

I play a heretic who escaped and burned down the office with the records of her capture. So she just claims she got off lightly from the inquisition.

 

I don't think there are actually any records of convicted heretics getting anything less than death.

 

Maybe I'm wrong.

[Branson Thorne]

Ishgardians don't really seem to be the take prisoners type, I'd assume if you was even suspected of being or aiding a heretic, your end came about pretty fast.

[Sounsyy]

Ishgardians don't really seem to be the take prisoners type, I'd assume if you was even suspected of being or aiding a heretic, your end came about pretty fast.

 

There are gaols in Whitebrim which you can visit. There's a Roegadyn heretic in one of them and a quest from the gaoler wanting you to bring one of the prisoners a dead rat or something to use in some heretic ritual so he'll shut up about wanting raw bloody meat for an hour. (He thinks the rat is a dragon and he'll turn into a dravanian by drinking its blood.) There's also a guy down there falsely accused of heresy that you end up proving his innocence in the questline.

 

So, yes, there are prisons and they do seem to remain there for some time. However, this could just be because places like Whitebrim and Dragonhead and beyond are outside the city-state and it takes time to get an Inquisitor out there to pass judgement on the prisoners. So they may just use the gaols as a place to hold heretics until they can put them to death.

 

Then again, we have this levequest:

A fugitive that escaped from our grasp some time ago has been spotted in the Dravanian hinterlands. Her body broken and her face scarred with burns, the witch would have been recognizable to anyone had she not disguised herself as a goblin to live amongst the hinterland clans, naught to be revealed until she had been discovered taking off her false mask for a breath of fresh air. I grow weary of the goblins' impunity in attacking our men and harboring a fugitive, so I would employ an adventurer to rid us of the beastmen entirely. Once our path has been cleared and the suspect seized, I intend to peel back the layers of mystery regarding her break from the gaol, fingernail by fingernail.

[Larson]

The Dravanian issue is kindof silly IMO.

 

Iceheart: "Why can't Elves and Dragons be friends?"

 

Midgardsormr: "Wow. Like I don't even. Feelings were such hurt. Boo whore."

[myahele]

It depends, if they are truly heretics then they probably would not want to be rescued and will join/try to join Iceheart and others for safety.

 

In any case, I think being able to use a flying chocobo might be a possibility that could be explored

[Branson Thorne]

It depends, if they are truly heretics then they probably would not want to be rescued and will join/try to join Iceheart and others for safety.

 

In any case, I think being able to use a flying chocobo might be a possibility that could be explored

 

Except for the ballistas located on the walls:)

[Zelmanov]

Yeah..an aerial approach on probably only city with ANTI-AIR TURRETS may not be the best.

[111]

Yeah..an aerial approach on probably only city with ANTI-AIR TURRETS may not be the best.

 

A small, one man chocobo should be able to penetrate the outer defenses.

[Michaux]

I think this is a great character concept. While not directly involved in an "underground railroad" of sorts, my character helped another family that was close to her own escape when their father (not hers) was falsely accused some years ago. Their father didn't make it, but his wife and children did, due to the help of a secret few. In my story, those that helped were simply npcs, but perhaps when you have your backstory sorted out, we could say that your "group"/character was part of the secret few that helped.

 

My Elezen is a lesser noble from Ishgard who desires more to heal and help those in need in Ishgard than to be the proper noble daughter her father would like her to be. Feel free to drop me a line if you are interested at all.

 

That would be great! I really need some connections for Solenne. At this point she is retired from heretic-rescuing (I understand that the whole question of how heretics are being dealt with in Ishgard is now somewhat up in the air in the MSQ?), but having contacts from her old life would be good. Right now she's sniffing around for the next big distraction from her polite upper-class Gridanian life, but you can bet when she finds it it will be just as dangerous (and probably illegal) as her previous exploits. 

 

It sounds like our characters have some things in common, as far as being healers and well-born.

[Michaux]

Ishgardians don't really seem to be the take prisoners type, I'd assume if you was even suspected of being or aiding a heretic, your end came about pretty fast.

 

There are gaols in Whitebrim which you can visit. There's a Roegadyn heretic in one of them and a quest from the gaoler wanting you to bring one of the prisoners a dead rat or something to use in some heretic ritual so he'll shut up about wanting raw bloody meat for an hour. (He thinks the rat is a dragon and he'll turn into a dravanian by drinking its blood.) There's also a guy down there falsely accused of heresy that you end up proving his innocence in the questline.

 

So, yes, there are prisons and they do seem to remain there for some time. However, this could just be because places like Whitebrim and Dragonhead and beyond are outside the city-state and it takes time to get an Inquisitor out there to pass judgement on the prisoners. So they may just use the gaols as a place to hold heretics until they can put them to death.

 

Ah, yes, I remember those quests now. Well, rescuing prisoners from a place like Whitebrim is certainly less dramatic than rescuing them from Ishgard, but it would probably be more doable. Solenne's group probably did more of that and less infiltrating of Ishgard... although the latter is still so appealing to me. I feel that some very clever actors/spies posing as minor nobles might have pulled it off. Maybe I'm just too attached the concept of my character as a mash-up of the Scarlet Pimpernel and Milady de Winter. >.>

 

At any rate, you've all given me a lot to think about! For now I think I'll keep the details of Solenne's past exploits vague. It's not like it's something she goes around talking about to everyone she meets, after all.

[rainichan]

Hnng I just saw this now, and seeing as how Lune is a falsely accused branded heretic, something like this is probably how she got out of Ishgard's reach and into Gridania for hiding until she was relocated to Ul'dah. That was about a year after the Calamity happened, so I'm not sure how long Solenne has been retired from it, but if she was still active then, Lune may recognize her.

[Michaux]

Hnng I just saw this now, and seeing as how Lune is a falsely accused branded heretic, something like this is probably how she got out of Ishgard's reach and into Gridania for hiding until she was relocated to Ul'dah. That was about a year after the Calamity happened, so I'm not sure how long Solenne has been retired from it, but if she was still active then, Lune may recognize her.

 

Solenne would have been active then, yes. We should totally talk! I would love for Solenne to have some connections from her past.

[TheLastCandle]

Yvelont is an accused (but now absolved) heretic who, given recent knowledge made available to him, might be sympathetic to the cause of this "Scarlet Pimpernel" type group. I'd certainly be open to having dealings with Solenne and/or her group at some point. Regardless, adding my voice to the chorus of supporters saying go for it!

[rainichan]

Hnng I just saw this now, and seeing as how Lune is a falsely accused branded heretic, something like this is probably how she got out of Ishgard's reach and into Gridania for hiding until she was relocated to Ul'dah. That was about a year after the Calamity happened, so I'm not sure how long Solenne has been retired from it, but if she was still active then, Lune may recognize her.

 

Solenne would have been active then, yes. We should totally talk! I would love for Solenne to have some connections from her past.

Definitely! Lune's usually really quiet and EVERYONE WANTS TO BRING BE BACK TO ISHGARD so seeing a face that she knows isn't going to do that would probably send her over the moon

[Michaux]

Hnng I just saw this now, and seeing as how Lune is a falsely accused branded heretic, something like this is probably how she got out of Ishgard's reach and into Gridania for hiding until she was relocated to Ul'dah. That was about a year after the Calamity happened, so I'm not sure how long Solenne has been retired from it, but if she was still active then, Lune may recognize her.

 

Solenne would have been active then, yes. We should totally talk! I would love for Solenne to have some connections from her past.

Definitely! Lune's usually really quiet and EVERYONE WANTS TO BRING BE BACK TO ISHGARD so seeing a face that she knows isn't going to do that would probably send her over the moon

 

Awesome! We'll definitely plan something, then!

[rainichan]

Hnng I just saw this now, and seeing as how Lune is a falsely accused branded heretic, something like this is probably how she got out of Ishgard's reach and into Gridania for hiding until she was relocated to Ul'dah. That was about a year after the Calamity happened, so I'm not sure how long Solenne has been retired from it, but if she was still active then, Lune may recognize her.

 

Solenne would have been active then, yes. We should totally talk! I would love for Solenne to have some connections from her past.

Definitely! Lune's usually really quiet and EVERYONE WANTS TO BRING BE BACK TO ISHGARD so seeing a face that she knows isn't going to do that would probably send her over the moon

 

Awesome! We'll definitely plan something, then!

Sounds good to me! Shoot me a PM here, or a /tell! I'm usually on one of three characters at any given time, so a PM might be best.