Wolph Het Glacius

[Oli!]

Well after scrapping my first idea I was playing around with the idea of making a Garlean after seeing a thread complaining that there really aren't as many willing to try roleplaying as a Garlean. I've always fancied the idea of creating a potential villain and recently got all the glamour pieces from Odin-san so I thought about putting it to good use with a story to tell. 

 

I'm responding specifically to this.

 

If that's not what you meant, then that's fine, but it's really unclear what exactly you're trying to go for at this point, at least to me.

 

Also, whether or not a villain is stereotypical or out to ruin lives doesn't really matter much when it comes to the establishment of conflict; any type of villain is part of a duality. Without encounters with their opposite, the title of "villain," regardless of what it denotes, becomes meaningless.

 

Just something to think about.

[Ozma]

Queen Ami

 

NO. Nononononono *star wars scream*

 

Queen Padmé Amidala.

 

As far as Padjal go, I highly advise against it or anything related to it.  Padjal are extraordinary beings of white magic chosen as children by the elementals of the Twelveswood. They are highly regarded mentors and political figures, and are known by name by the NPCs of the Twelveswood. Playing one is not recommended and will probably get you some backlash. It would be like trying to tell people you are a daughter of Nymeia.

 

Haha no I'm not interested in playing a Padjal. I just thought I'd bring it up because I had some questions about the race and wondered if it was possible for Garlea to give birth to a Padjal since Padjal seemed to be born to Hyur bloodlines. Wasn't sure if it was a Black Shroud specific Hyurs or if it was global.

[Garalona]

Yeah, I've been saying all this in respect to the "potential villain" line as well. I don't think you'll be a cackling Saturday morning cartoon, but the very nature of MMO kinda ties your hands on what all you can do—thus why I keep stressing simplicity.

 

And that's the thing, it's a very, VERY delicate balance that really requires the "heroes" you're working with to be on the same page as you, otherwise it can turn into a back and forth of "got you" "nuh uh" in and of so many words.

 

If you're doing this as a general concept and not within the confines of a somewhat controlled, self-contained plot, you need to be ready to drop hints and foreshadow things that will give people the CHANCE to be able to be able to best you or bring things to SOME sort of resolution. Otherwise it really is a Saturday morning cartoon scenario of "until next time" forever. If you're gonna have a dark secret, it needs to be a threat to your survival, there needs to be a very real danger of getting found out.

 

And let's face it... My friend in that anecdote was a crap villain for basically shaking his ass in people's faces with his "perfect disguise" and in the end NO ONE was happy, least of all him.

 

So what sort of conflict do you see your character inspiring? What do you think might be their downfall?

[Unnamed Mercenary]

Queen Ami

 

NO. Nononononono *star wars scream*

 

Queen Padmé Amidala.

 

As far as Padjal go, I highly advise against it or anything related to it.  Padjal are extraordinary beings of white magic chosen as children by the elementals of the Twelveswood. They are highly regarded mentors and political figures, and are known by name by the NPCs of the Twelveswood. Playing one is not recommended and will probably get you some backlash. It would be like trying to tell people you are a daughter of Nymeia.

 

Haha no I'm not interested in playing a Padjal. I just thought I'd bring it up because I had some questions about the race and wondered if it was possible for Garlea to give birth to a Padjal since Padjal seemed to be born to Hyur bloodlines. Wasn't sure if it was a Black Shroud specific Hyurs or if it was global.

 

Padjals are pretty much limited to being a Black Shroud thing. The only [alive] Padjal who has ever left the forest has been Kan-E Senna, and that's because she was out and about as a political figure. Because Padjal are selected for their Hearer abilities, it's fairly safe to assume that a Garlean would like not be chosen because their ability to be a Hearer/competent Conjurer is nonexistant. :

 

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=6101&highlight=White+Mage

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=6139&highlight=White+Mage

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=7627&highlight=White+Mage

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=8388&pid=110703#pid110703

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=10545&highlight=White+Mage

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=11199&highlight=White+Mage

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=11551&highlight=White+Mage

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=11951&highlight=White+Mage

 

 

[Ozma]

As a general concept I haven't really fleshed out or set in stone what her Achilles heel would be and how she will meet her ultimate downfall. I'm sure it pays to flesh it out so I have a general idea what will happen but at this point in time I thought I'd rather leave it out for the time being and expand on it as I roleplay to get a better idea of what kind of roleplaying communities are out there already and gauge how or why they would affect her in the way it would affect her which will give me hints as to what kind of threat she will have to face. At the moment as I have no characters or interaction with Balmung Ishgard, everything is a bit of a blur and left for limited improvisation.

 

I will of course be dropping hints here and there so that roleplayers may pick up on those hints and eventually find out that the two people are actually one. It would be boring to let it go on forever and I'm all for it if she does eventually get killed by a Highlander zealots among many that might hunt her down. Ultimately though I would like to first try roleplaying with others and choose who I'll be giving those hints to. I don't want a random coming up to me and suddenly pick up all the hints and play Sherlock Holmes. When it's time to kill her off I will be happy to give out more obvious clues and that will ultimately bring her downfall. Public execution themed and Ishgardian Court themed Roleplay might also be interesting too in that regard haha. Re-enactment of Trial by Combat?  

 

And let's face it... My friend in that anecdote was a crap villain for basically shaking his ass in people's faces with his "perfect disguise" and in the end NO ONE was happy, least of all him.

 

I'm now curious as to how he was advertising to people that he is who he was with a disguise. At most times I won't be portraying her as remotely related to Garlemald. I'm guessing he had a similar idea but I'm sort of curious as to how he went about it. 

 

Biggest problem for me in that regard is probably that I don't know Balmung at all. Been meaning to make an alt there for the past weeks to try the waters but wasn't able to because Balmung never opens up for character creation. I have this community's testimony of how general roleplayers will react and some may turn to godmodding for the sake of it but I would still like to believe I'll encounter decent roleplayers who won't abuse the Diviniation Card. 

 

With that said I've yet to flesh out the ideas for how or what the adventurer Sion would be doing once she's in Ishgard. How this experience away from home would influence and build her character would be an interesting thing to see. Will she ultimately become a turncoat like Lucia or walk another path is probably entirely up to how she perceive her experience while roleplaying there and the kind of people she comes across.

 

 

Padjals are pretty much limited to being a Black Shroud thing. The only [alive] Padjal who has ever left the forest has been Kan-E Senna, and that's because she was out and about as a political figure. Because Padjal are selected for their Hearer abilities, it's fairly safe to assume that a Garlean would like not be chosen because their ability to be a Hearer/competent Conjurer is nonexistant. :< ...now, the child of a Garlean and a power Hearer -could-, but that's a very big stretch and very unlikely. 

 

 

Haha thank you for clarifying that. Yes I figured it might have been a Black Shroud only thing as it wouldn't make much sense for the Elementals to allow a Padjal to be born so far away from the Black Shroud.... though that in itself might bring different ideas into the table. 

 

What if there was a reason for a Padjal to be born outside the Black Shroud and willed by Elementals for a specific task or purpose? 

 

Food for thoughts but rest assured, not an idea I would be interested in personally.

[Garalona]

On my phone so quoting in portions is rough, but by the time the most wanted bit happened I had given up the villain game. My friend's character had a very distinctive manner of speaking that he didn't change in the least, which was what raised so much suspicion, but then it was a land of haughty people so it was easy to argue it could be anyone, too. I still only had hearsay to go on, but I imagine both sides could have stood to give a little. There was never a resolution.

 

I've honestly never RPed around Ishgard, so I can't speak to the type of people you'll run into there, but Virella just happens to run the Linkshell coordinating RPers based there. I mostly RP anywhere but since my character has a thing about nobles and Ishgardians.

[Ozma]

Ah there's a good chance that Sion Lohel would be a wandering adventurer exploring the rest of Eorzea when she's not formally required to serve her role in Ishgard. I think this is when I can build on her character as an individual and not a political pawn of the senate so there's a good chance that we might run into each other. 

 

Given Sion's initial heritage, when she's not required to be Wolph she would most likely go back to the kind of person she was living in the slums. A free spirit who just got away from the hell hole of Garlemald. An adventurer eager to explore and re-discover herself.

[Oli!]

Out of curiosity, is there a particular facet of the character that you're trying to draw out by using the diplomat angle, or is it just a reason for them to be where they are?

[Ozma]

Out of curiosity, is there a particular facet of the character that you're trying to draw out by using the diplomat angle, or is it just a reason for them to be where they are?

 

Work in progress is what I want to say haha  

 

If you have potential ideas to share please feel free to give me some pointers and I'll definitely reflect on it when I begin to expand on the idea.

[Oli!]

The reason why I ask is because it seems a little thrown in there, I can't really find much of a correlation between that and anything else, especially considering her former skills and temperment. If you're unsure yourself what it's doing there, then I would question its inclusion. I'm of the mind that you should know what purpose things serve when adding to a character.

 

The approach to character building that I would suggest is deciding what kinds of stories you wish to tell with a character, and then developing them based on that backing. Personal questions regarding the possibility of diplomacy aside, it seems as if the diplomat angle, her backstory, and her attempt at rediscovery are spreading the character rather thin. In other words, it seems as if she's covering too little ground on too many things; either many of those things will end up becoming irrelevant due to her development  (at which point it becomes a bit of a waste to put them in), or she won't develop very far in any areas in order to continue holding onto the others.

[Virella]

Out of curiosity, is there a particular facet of the character that you're trying to draw out by using the diplomat angle, or is it just a reason for them to be where they are?

 

Work in progress is what I want to say haha  

 

If you have potential ideas to share please feel free to give me some pointers and I'll definitely reflect on it when I begin to expand on the idea.

Everyone has been doing this, you just come up with ridiculous bullshit while everyone is politely telling you not to do. I'm done with it. Your character is retarded, what could be forgiven, but your ooc attitude about receiving any constructive feedback is just being met with defensive crying, what is even worse.

 

You know, next time just don't make a post here. You just want praise, not feedback.

 

/back to afk land for a few more days, byebye.

 

Mod Edit: User was reprimanded and placed on post moderation for this post.

[Ozma]

Out of curiosity, is there a particular facet of the character that you're trying to draw out by using the diplomat angle, or is it just a reason for them to be where they are?

 

Work in progress is what I want to say haha  

 

If you have potential ideas to share please feel free to give me some pointers and I'll definitely reflect on it when I begin to expand on the idea.

Everyone has been doing this, you just come up with ridiculous bullshit while everyone is politely telling you not to do. I'm done with it. Your character is retarded, what could be forgiven, but your ooc attitude about receiving any constructive feedback is just being met with defensive crying, what is even worse.

 

You know, next time just don't make a post here. You just want praise, not feedback.

 

/back to afk land for a few more days, byebye.

 

Mod Edit: User was reprimanded and placed on post moderation for this post.

 

First of all thank you for being brutally honest about conveying your thoughts without sugarcoating anything. If that's how you sincerely thought about this thread and myself for having a very different idea about a concept that may or may not work, I'll simply accept and respect that as your opinion. 

 

As I mentioned roleplaying is something very new to me and I've yet to transfer over to Balmung to try it out. I do apologize if some of the ideas I wanted to work with simply sounded retarded in your own words. I'll admit as someone who was invited to play Heavensward with friends, I did end up trying to rush through the msq so that I can do current content with my friends who had been playing this game for years, as such I am what I am a complete amateur who might make mistakes by using ideas globally not accepted. This very thread was meant to put some of these raw ideas on the chopping board to have the more experienced roleplayers to give their insight as to what works and what definitely does not work. To great extent I see that the very idea is seen with much negativity (and hostility? lol) especially coming from you.

 

I do feel regretful if you truly felt that this was a thread designed to gain empty praises. The only other regret I have is that I seem to have greatly offended you and this might mean that I have little to no chance to join your linkshell for some Ishgard RP, something that originally attracted me to this site in the first place to try my hand at roleplaying. You might think I'm joking but I genuinely was attracted to the idea of a Ishgard RP though it's a pity that with such open hostility I don't think I'll be very wanted in that linkshell.

[Warren Castille]

First of all thank you for being brutally honest about conveying your thoughts without sugarcoating anything. If that's how you sincerely thought about this thread and myself for having a very different idea about a concept that may or may not work, I'll simply accept and respect that as your opinion. 

 

As I mentioned roleplaying is something very new to me and I've yet to transfer over to Balmung to try it out. I do apologize if some of the ideas I wanted to work with simply sounded retarded in your own words. I'll admit as someone who was invited to play Heavensward with friends, I did end up trying to rush through the msq so that I can do current content with my friends who had been playing this game for years, as such I am what I am a complete amateur who might make mistakes by using ideas globally not accepted. This very thread was meant to put some of these raw ideas on the chopping board to have the more experienced roleplayers to give their insight as to what works and what definitely does not work. To great extent I see that the very idea is seen with much negativity (and hostility? lol) especially coming from you.

 

I do feel regretful if you truly felt that this was a thread designed to gain empty praises. The only other regret I have is that I seem to have greatly offended you and this might mean that I have little to no chance to join your linkshell for some Ishgard RP, something that originally attracted me to this site in the first place to try my hand at roleplaying. You might think I'm joking but I genuinely was attracted to the idea of a Ishgard RP though it's a pity that with such open hostility I don't think I'll be very wanted in that linkshell.

 

It's a recurring theme here: People will post threads asking for critique and then shoot down anything offered while they defend their concept they wanted critiqued, which is sort of the antithesis of asking for critique.

 

When adding hooks to your character, less is more. Doing one angle or gimmick well will always go further than having a dozen different things to give yourself an in to a situation.

[Aldotsk]

As I mentioned roleplaying is something very new to me and I've yet to transfer over to Balmung to try it out. 

 

....You might think I'm joking but I genuinely was attracted to the idea of a Ishgard RP though it's a pity that with such open hostility I don't think I'll be very wanted in that linkshell.

 

Since roleplaying is new and you've not actually moved to most populated server with lot of roleplayers, perhaps it's best to not really start with discussing what you think is right than what you think is wrong. No one is here to start telling you that your idea is dumb, but if you are new to roleplaying and don't know much about the lore... then people will just raise their white flags or red card at you and give you the same hostility as written above.

 

If you are new to something, you are a student or intern. Whatever you learned or you know so far are just basic informations and whoever are your senior students/collegues, supervisors or teachers will tell you to wash up those basic information and follow their regulations and information that they give to you. But even if you "nicely" try to argue about the information and rules that they given to you, you will be disliked. 

 

Your character is your character and your ideas. But if you want to improve your character and you want to learn about roleplaying, then you should at least understand what Virella's trying to say. (except the hostility part)

 

I also suggest you not to feel discouraged from joining Balmung or roleplaying. You might actually meet good people and like roleplaying than you think really.

[Warren Castille]

People aren't wrong about the perfect villain disguisey stuff, though. All that serves to present to the community is "neener neener, I'm smarter than all of you."

 

Secret villains should never be talked about in public, otherwise you're begging for trouble. I mean, it really comes down to a few things: You either get people who figure it out sooner than you expect, or you get people who just metagame in figuring it out, or you get into arguments OOC about how people couldn't have known yet, which is also difficult because now you're telling other people how perceptive they're allowed to be, which isn't good for obvious reasons...

 

Dual-personality angles don't work in RP if people know that's what you're doing OOCly. Also as mentioned, as soon as someone knows the trick to it all of your work is shot in the foot; You're now a Criminal with a capital C and that means your IC NPC stuff is shot, your not able to RP in hubs because Heroes will go after you, and your only recourse is to lose (read: die/get arrested) or... no, that's basically it with strangers.

 

Maybe I just don't understand it. You're wanting to play a Garlean in a game where the Garleans are the bad guys. By and large, once that tidbit comes out, you're not going to be welcome anywhere in public. Imagine if this was WoW, and your character came out as a cross-faction sympathizer. Or if this was TOR and you're trying to play a Sith deep in Jedi territory. All of that build-up gets detonated the moment the line is crossed.

[Branson Thorne]

If it makes you feel any better, I've changed a few of my character wikis and reworked my rp at least a dozen times to best fit into the advice I was given by other Rpers.

 

Even now, when I create a new character, the first thing I do is ask several people to examine it and let me know what should be changed.

 

Take this saying to heart when it comes to rping in Balmung

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

 

You have a whole thread of awesome, active Balmung rpers here, myself included, use them to make your character better in the long run!

[Warren Castille]

Oh, here it is.

 

I'm bound to have a very difficult time but that's what makes roleplaying as a Garlean feel like a bit challenging. I'd imagine it would be the equivalent of a Scarlet Crusader walking around in Stormwind while wearing the tabard.

 

 

 

 

To continue beating on the point, no, no it isn't. It's the equivalent of being an orc walking around in Stormwind yelling LOK'TAR over and over.

[Garalona]

Seriously, why not just snip all the backstory you've got after Sion falls from the airship? Maybe she lost her arm, maybe she didn't. Maybe that happened later and she only recently got a replacement thanks to Ishgardian engineering.

 

That's one of the first rules of writing: kill your darlings. You may really like the ambassador idea, the double identity angle, etc but it's too much. It's a mess. I'm telling you right now it's an over complicated mess.

 

You've got a good foundation of a character there— a half-breed with a chip on her shoulder becomes a killing machine, gets roped into a conspiracy to try and assassinate the Emperor (probably BECAUSE she's a half-breed and considered disposable, unlike a pure breed Garlean), it all goes horribly wrong.

 

That part is solid.

 

 

So what if she landed in Doma BEFORE the Empire stomped through, found an Au Ra ninja master who taught her new skills and allowed her to find peace with herself? She realizes relentless conquering and subjugation is not the way, yadda yadda yadda, but then whoops here comes he Empire, so much for that peaceful new life.

 

If they found out she's actually not dead she is FUCKED, so she has to flee to Eorzea with all the other Doman refugees, much as she may want to either stand & fight for her new home or even rejoin them and go back to her old one. She can't do either, it sucks, is probably still a sore point.

 

Maybe she wants to find a way stick it to the Empire somehow. Maybe she wants to meet with other defectors, see how they cope. There's a lot of angles to work it. Is she ashamed of her old killing machine self? Does she try to repress it only to have it come out in the heat of battle? Does that embarrass her if so? Or is she totally zen these days, like a new person?

 

Think about what she wants, what she's afraid of, because weaknesses are ultimately even more important than strengths.

[Garalona]

Fuck it, while I'm at it I'll add this:

 

The Empire DOES NOT CARE about diplomacy. The way they see it, they are shining the light of civilization on heathen nations, just like Rome was. The outsiders may put up a fuss, but they'll see they're better off after they've been living under Imperial rule for a generation or so. The idea of conjurers is just hilariously backwards to them. Politely asking rocks to heal your cuts? That's what science is for, you stick waving yokels.

 

They're not going to send Ambassadors to try and improve relations. They don't care how other nations feel about them. There's just "The Empire" and "Will Eventually Also Be Part of the Empire".They were annoyed when they were successfully repelled the first time, but they're just going to march back in, reoccupy their outposts, and resume their plans to conquer for the glory of a new emperor. All the first victory told them is they have to press their boot down harder to get the results they want.

 

Someone who went in trying to play negotiator offering terms other than "surrender or else" would be considered a lunatic at best, and would probably be quietly dealt with by one of their many already embedded spies before even having the chance to reach out.

 

So, in summary, a Garlean Ambassador would be dead before they even got an audience with anyone of any import. And THAT'S why the idea just won't work, and also the real reason people would laugh in your face IC.

[Kage]

Maybe I just don't understand it. You're wanting to play a Garlean in a game where the Garleans are the bad guys. By and large, once that tidbit comes out, you're not going to be welcome anywhere in public. Imagine if this was WoW, and your character came out as a cross-faction sympathizer. Or if this was TOR and you're trying to play a Sith deep in Jedi territory. All of that build-up gets detonated the moment the line is crossed.

Maybe I haven't done much reading but I saw this.

 

I can point at a person who regularly RPs here who has told multiple people that he is Garlean (while hiding the pureblooded traits). He has not been run out or lynchmobbed and he is occasionally seen healing people and such.

 

I have not seen the IC reaction to this character as people say would happen.

 

granted none of these characters or player characters are actively proposing the subjugation of eorzea, but there is no lynch mob just because someone is garlean.

[Warren Castille]

granted none of these characters or player characters are actively proposing the subjugation of eorzea, but there is no lynch mob just because someone is garlean.

 

Execution is everything.

 

We're talking about someone asking about the validity of being a Garlean killing-machine-captain-general-turned-diplomat-to-talk-Ishgard-into-surrender.

 

Not exactly a grey area in terms of subjugation, you know?

 

Edit: Not to mention being so great at murder that they were apparently in the Emperor's rolodex when it came to special contacts.

 

Double edit: To borrow a phrase that's been used a bit lately in various places, this character sounds fine from a fiction standpoint but not very approachable from a roleplaying standpoint. There are subtle but distinct differences in the two.

[Leggerless]

I'm... conflicted over this character. Is she designed for storytelling or RPing? I'm failing to see how well she works with the latter.

 

Additionally, here's an amazing test I found that should check your character's power level.

[Caspar]

She would make a good villain NPC, exempting the near-impossible diplomat angle. I don't think I need to state that a lot of people would be wary of RP with such an agressively significant (from a setting standpoint) character if you're planning on making her your RP main. These characteristics are way more similar to NPCs in my character's background, as they are powerful and don't have much room to grow. Think about what you want to do in the future with the character. She's already accomplished so much. Is anything really going to challenge her anymore?

[-no longer matters-]

Okay I think I can come in here and comment on this.

 

https://wiki.ffxiv-roleplayers.com/pages/Dinah_Sirensong

 

Okay so yeah I have a character in the same vein albeit much different. Here's the thing it's a very difficult concept to pull off beyond being a plot character. You really can't do everyday RP and if you do you have to watch your P's and Q's so hard because people will pay attention, and will peg you.

 

Having a villain character is fun, but you REALLY have to have a cast of heroes to play with, or else you're going to find it hard to make connections.

 

Now if you have all this you're good to go, just remember you have an uphill battle to fight with anyone not in your story circle.

 

My honest recommendation is if this is a character you want to pursue, have a secondary character on hand for everyday and social RP as well.

[Ozma]

So what if she landed in Doma BEFORE the Empire stomped through, found an Au Ra ninja master who taught her new skills and allowed her to find peace with herself? She realizes relentless conquering and subjugation is not the way, yadda yadda yadda, but then whoops here comes he Empire, so much for that peaceful new life.

 

If they found out she's actually not dead she is FUCKED, so she has to flee to Eorzea with all the other Doman refugees, much as she may want to either stand & fight for her new home or even rejoin them and go back to her old one. She can't do either, it sucks, is probably still a sore point.

 

I earnestly love this idea and development that I want to adopt this into her story. After putting more thought into it I think it would be best to make this change after reading through multiple feedbacks I've gotten so far that the idea I'm pursuing is over complicated. I do understand the reasoning for the number of objection against the idea since Garlemald as a nation is hell bent on subjugating Eorzea into imperial rule and there's no room to ask or wonder if this is the general consensus of everyone within Garlemald's political structure judging from the general perspective of the community. Reason why I thought that there was room to question this and pursue it is mainly because we know so little about Garlemald's political structure and the people involved that makes up for that structure as we do with Ishgard of Ul'dah. 

 

This is just my guess but prior to Heavensward, if someone had made a character like Aymeric who served as a diplomat between Ishgard and the three nation that wished to talk about peace, this very idea would most likely have been met with the same objections since Ishgard as a nation wanted to keep it's neutrality. At the time we honestly couldn't have known what the political hierarchy of Ishgard was like other than intelligent guesses some of which probably turned out to be true and others turned out to be a neat surprise. As we don't know the inner workings of Garlemald how can we be absolutely certain that there is no faction who goes against the idea of world domination in their politics without being Yoshi? Unless it's been stated by the developers otherwise I thought there can't be an absolute certainty that there is no such factions within Garlemald that didn't fancy the idea of world domination and dictatorship. The hints I got was that there were attempts before where Garlemald's dictatorship was challenged by 9 usurpers (reason for their rebellion was vague unless it was absolutely certain that they were just another dictator who wished to replace the emperor) so I think there might be room to question that not everyone went along with the idea because Garlemald operates like a hive mind. 

 

For that reasoning I thought it could be reasoned with then that there might be such a faction who oppose the empire but is a very part of that same empire. Horrible comparison I know but similarly Aymeric and the Temple Knights, were part of Ishgard but had differing views than the total neutrality sought by Ishgard and he worked to collaborate with the other nations against the Pope's judgment. 

 

But in any case, I won't be pursuing with this idea as it seems that the general community won't acknowledge this reasoning and I do understand the logic behind that perfectly well. Hell, even I was highly skeptical about it at first when it was all written down on paper but I thought to convince myself that depending on how it's all executed it might just turn out to be viable and fun. I figured that depending on how it's played out, it might even become Camp Dragonhead 2.0 just with Ex-Garleans who desire peace between the 4 nations and their homeland aiding a different cause. Yes at this point you're all thinking I'm mad lol. But I thought it might give a nice foundation for those wanting to rp as a Garlean deserter to find reason to remain loyal to Garlemald (not the Emperor) by working with the rest of Eorzean nations to work out peace. 

 

 

Thank you so much for all the input. I know it's been one stressful ride for some of you trying to educate a stubborn noob to the point a few of you seems to have lost their patience during the course and I sincerely want to apologize for that. I've transferred over to Balmung but I find myself now wondering if I should scrap the idea altogether along with a name change depending on what I salvage from the current character. 

 

Lastly are there any FC/Linkshells that focuses on the Doman Refugees and Ninjas?