[Spoilers] 3.1 MSQ and Others Discussions

[Zelmanov]

Emmellain and Artoirel are tossing some mad shade about in the cutscenes.

 

But in that final one I thought that was just him not paying attention one bit, he is not someone with goals and motivation, he just wants to romance girls.

[Tortles]

Emmellain and Artoirel are tossing some mad shade about in the cutscenes.

 

But in that final one I thought that was just him not paying attention one bit, he is not someone with goals and motivation, he just wants to romance girls.

 

There's potential for him to cause some trouble, but it could also just be him being lazy and not wanting to do anything as usual.

 

With Artoirel having doubts about whether or not they should even be a high house given the nation's, maybe Emmanellain wouldn't want to give up their way of life and may end up supporting rebels.

[Kage]

Is it possible that Emmannellian has different thoughts about how the House should be compared to Artoirel. Artoirel strikes me as a dutibound type, more like Haucherfant than Emmannellian. Perhaps Emmannellian is worried about his place in the house now that his father is stepping down.

[LiadansWhisper]

Well, the other thing that occurred to me is that there's a long, LONG history of younger sons coveting the power and prestige of the older son. In fiction (and sometimes in History), they tend not to fully grasp or understand the responsibility that comes with the position of power, and see only the power itself and the prestige it nets them.

 

It wouldn't be the first time a younger son turned traitor, tired of being in the shadow of an older sibling. >.>

[Kage]

Well, the other thing that occurred to me is that there's a long, LONG history of younger sons coveting the power and prestige of the older son.  In fiction (and sometimes in History), they tend not to fully grasp or understand the responsibility that comes with the position of power, and see only the power itself and the prestige it nets them.

 

It wouldn't be the first time a younger son turned traitor, tired of being in the shadow of an older sibling.  >.>

That's occurred to me as well.

[Shoshopu]

I know I'm a bit late to the topic but re: the blessing and the echo???

 

It seems to me that you can't have the Blessing without having the Echo, but you can have just the Echo without the Blessing. That was always my assumption and I don't see why Alphinaud's reaction to Krile's revelation changes things? Perhaps it'd make more sense for him to be surprised that she has the same Blessing the player presumably has instead of being surprised that she just has the Echo, but eh? Weird writing? I'm still thinking they definitely aren't the same thing, though.

 

Also maybe "Hydaelyn's blessing" could be a colloquial term for the Echo (as it is granted by Hydaelyn and is generally benevolent, so, a blessing, in a general sense), but is a different from being a literal Warrior of Light. Perhaps the characters themselves haven't realized the difference (or come up for an alternative term for it)?

 

I like the note that no two manifestations of the Echo are the same, though. Even though I think that was the general understanding of it for a lot of people that really supports the way lots of folks in my FC have been RPing around the Echo. There are more ways to have the Echo than just understanding soul-whispers or having visions, even if we haven't seen them all.

[Ignacius]

Just wanted to posit here that the Ascians have stated pretty explicitly that they're using the power of the Echo, but they are not evidently possessed of the Blessing of Light.  So they must be two different things.

 

Also, when you're divested of the Blessing of Light and regaining it, you still seem to be able to see the past all Echo-like.  So they're definitely not the same thing.

 

It could be that you need a blessing of something to make the Echo work and those beings that can use it without the Blessing of Light are getting a blessing from something else.

[Cynel1]

Im starting to have another theory that the Warriors of Darkness were from a Alternate Universe.

[Aaron]

After looking for no reason i found something that may interest those who believe/disbelieve that aether plays a part in being able to kick pillars or anime jump.

 

From Thancreds updated wiki

 

Y'shtola later confides to the Warrior of Light that she suspects the reason Thancred did not originally attempt to teleport out of Dravania was due to a side-effect of the Lifestream distorting his aether to the point of unable to use any form of magick, including teleportation.

 

 

 

Seems some Eorzeans are naturally capable of superhuman feats seeing as how it doesn't look like Thancred was using any aether vs the WoD nor Rabaughn againy Ilbred

[FreelanceWizard]

Just wanted to posit here that the Ascians have stated pretty explicitly that they're using the power of the Echo, but they are not evidently possessed of the Blessing of Light.  So they must be two different things.

 

Also, when you're divested of the Blessing of Light and regaining it, you still seem to be able to see the past all Echo-like.  So they're definitely not the same thing.

 

It could be that you need a blessing of something to make the Echo work and those beings that can use it without the Blessing of Light are getting a blessing from something else.

 

Personally, I think this falls under the "unreliable narration" rule that Fernehalwes has brought out. It's clear neither the Scions nor the Students of Baldesion actually know what the Echo is, and they usually conflate it with the Blessing of Light. Personally, I feel that the Echo is probably a prerequisite for the Blessing of Light (or the Blessing of Darkness?), but more importantly, I think it's fair to say that Krile is speaking based on her knowledge, which isn't 100% accurate based on the Ascians' use of the Echo.

[Kage]

HOWEVER, the inability to manipulate Aether is SEPERATE from his ability to jump insane heights and have cheesy anime clashes against the Warrior of Darkness...

 

which throws a wrench into a lot of RPC's head canons about aether in combat (like EVERYONE is an aether user, be it gladiator or mage.)

Perhaps manipulating aether is a much more different beast than using it in combat. Teleporting requires a great amount of it and a great deal of concentration. Perhaps the use of aether in combat does not require finesse with aether manipulation or a great deal.

 

Think you missed these posts.

 

The direct quote from Y'shtola in English version is:

"As a result, I strongly suspect that his ability to manipulate aether has been compromised. Simply put, Thancred may no longer be able to wield magicks.

 

It would do much to explain why he chose to remain within the wilderness instead of seeking us out. He would have been compelled to rely solely on traditional methods of travel, significantly prolonging his journey. And when he learned that..."

 

 

As I posited earlier, teleporting requires great deal of actual supply and -control-. Wielding and manipulating aether and magic may be a completely different deal than aether being unconsciously or subconsciously to enhance one's body. A lalafell vs a roegadyn or a highlander in physical combat for example. A lalafell would not be concentrating so much to wield or manipulate aether so much so that the nature of a race is to just use what -we- consider to be super human feats.

 

Or you know, it's just natural to do those we consider super-human and aether is doing jack squat.

[Aaron]

No i saw the post alright.

 

But so far there's really nothing saying that aether is needed to pull superhuman feats. Heck i even remember people don't know how DRG do their jumps. They just chuck it up as aether. Lalafell seem to be an exception if anything rather than the norm.

 

But when you think about it everything in game that requires the use of aether has had some prequisite notice either visually (you see it) aka teleporting or text wise.

 

When Raubahn kicked that pillar and thancred fought the WoD there was no hint of any aether being used at all.

[Kage]

The Vanu Vanu tribe quests told me I was like a feather in comparison to them so that is why I should go and help otherwise the cage would break.

 

< Lalafell.

 

That's just rude. :>

[Kage]

The Greystone confirmed

 

 

Hey guys,

 

Just popping in to remove all ambiguity: Greystone is a bastard surname. That is all. Carry on!

[Kage]

It looks like people have gotten the /sundrop dance!

 

I AM LIKE 3-4 DAYS BEHIND AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS

 

You can see it in action here!

 

 

 

Note that this dance is based off the Maori Haka, which has slight differences between the male and female versions. This is also reflected in-game with the Vanu Vanu when you see Lani and Lanu dance together.

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[g0ne]

Right, so when I initially finished 3.0, I thought that maybe our character had an evil doppelganger who would end up being the Warrior of Darkness, considering that the CG trailers and stuff focus on the generic Warrior of Light, and the silhouette at the end of 3.0 mirrored that.

 

But now there's not one, but 5 Warriors of Darkness, and the leader is our one and only widely recognized Hyur!

 

Which brings me to my next question. All the cinematics we've seen so far, and the midlander we saw in them, well, are those cinematics supposed to represent the generic Warrior of Light, our characters, or was it this Warrior of Darkness all along?

 

Another thing that's been bothering me since the Warriors of Darkness have appeared now, and because they're sided with the Ascians for some reason, is that what if our character, the Warrior of Light, is unknowingly doing something wrong. Something that they have yet to listen to or learn, that the Warriors of Darkness know, which is why they are with the Asicans. It also fits in for me as to why Urianger is even willing to enter into discussions with the Ascians who have so many times caused us so much trouble, and potential deaths, and a death in the case of Moenbryda!

 

I'm so so confused now, someone needs to clarify this for me. Square Enix, you're making me lose sleep trying to come up with answers!

 

On a side note, did the Miqo'te Bard WoD have a unique hairstyle, or am I not paying attention to the available hairstyles much?

[Kage]

Found someone who recorded a video of the meeting.

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For now I'm going to separate our groups into these: Answers WoL, WoD, and us.

 

Answers WoL includes Hyur WAR, Roe PLD, Miqo BRD, Lala WHM, and Elezen BLM.

 

WoD includes this same very team but their armor has been augmented and dyed.

 

Don't know if Answers WoL = WoD but we know that WoD experienced the same thing as the Answers WoL. We even see the WoD fighting Ascian!

 

Here's a pic of the Answers WoL Miqo Bard

 

And here's the female hairstyles. I would say it is likely to be one of the three haircuts (difference is in the hairband color). Can't confirm atm because in these vids her hat is adding to the limited visibility.

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[Jana]

It looks like people have gotten the /sundrop dance!

 

I AM LIKE 3-4 DAYS BEHIND AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS

 

You can see it in action here!

 

 

 

Not enough leg movement on the female Miqo'te ;w;

 

*returns to hiding from 3.1 spoilers*

[Jana]

 

Didn't realize I'd be doubleposting oops

[Therese Villefort]

Yeah, personally i believe the whole Urianger deal is something along the lines of "There is more to it than the Ascians simply being the bad guys, there is a not-so-small aspect that the WoL and the other Scions don't know but which is super duper important, yet i cannot tell them about it for reasons."

 

Some sort of side aspect mission only Urianger can do, which runs parallel to the story and no one would understand even if he tried to explain, so its his to bear alone. And which will probably get revealed some time later as some big twist.

 

Probably something along the lines of "Where there is light there HAS to be darkness", some balance shebang, like someone said the ascians might be something akin to forces of nature. Who knows.