Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread

[LiadansWhisper]

"We" who have no plans​ to leave, however, should not be the ones making such a decision.

[Nodem]

We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.

 

Then they'll tag a different server and go, "Here's your RP server." Then you'll still need to transfer off Balmung.

 

Remember this is from their business PoV of wanting the servers even on the graph above. So having a mass exodus of people from Balmung would be the pipe dream for them.

 

 

In this scenario, people still wouldn't leave Balmung, and we'd begin the cycle anew with wanting Balmung listed as a RP server.

[Val]

We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.

 

It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.

 

There should never, ever be an in-all plan. If anything, hope they listen, but plan for a secondary course of action in case they don't.

 

EDIT: And like Nodem just mentioned above, they'd make everyone transfer and I highly doubt they'd transfer housing over. So people would lose/stand to lose their stuff if they don't jump on it immediately.

[Virella]

We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.

 

It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.

 

There should never, ever be an in-all plan. If anything, hope they listen, but plan for a secondary course of action in case they don't.

 

EDIT: And like Nodem just mentioned above, they'd make everyone transfer and I highly doubt they'd transfer housing over. So people would lose/stand to lose their stuff if they don't jump on it immediately.

That's the thing though, they need to handle it delicately.

 

If there was an official RP server released? I'd very most likely head there. Especially if Balmung remained locked. Mostly because unlike what we are trying to achieve here by shouting were to go, people will probably, highly likely, still be shattered all over the place and nothing will come of it.

 

I feel if they released a RP server, people would slowly start coming over there. With those tiny self proclaimed servers? Not so much.

 

Ultimately I also feel, while everyone is trying to make Balmung the boogieman, trying to throw the burden onto the roleplayers here, those small communities should step up. And some have! But they also should decide were to redirect people to. Because I feel it would be lot better to redirect people to one server instead of six.

 

But us Balmung people? We aren't on those small communities. How can we tell what's better? I only had experience with one EU one, and I didn't like it. People were friendly, but it wasn't what I wanted.

[Momo]

"We" who have no plans​ to leave, however, should not be the ones making such a decision.

 

I think it is the responsibility of the community as a whole as much as we can make it, to decide on further action. It was done once, and it may be harder now, that is true, but it can be done, and it can be helped by those already here.

 

One day in a few years, that may be some our new homes too depending on how all the chips fall, and I would like to have a hand in holding it afloat for that reason alone.

[ArmachiA]

A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players. I would love to make sure this is not a world we go to.

 

This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their friends. It's not above SE to do this.

 

I don't see them adding another world to the Aether datacenter, but I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a free transfer to one of the lower populated worlds there. If they were smart they WOULD just tag an "unused" world the RP server, but that's a highly unlikely hypothetical.

 

I'm concerned for both sides of the fence here.

 

Balmung being locked (And probably locked for awhile, we need to stop saying it's going to be only a month or two, it's not. We all know it's not. Balmung is in dire straights, it's going to be longer) risks Balmung dying as a server due to people quitting and no one new coming in. That's the truth. That's the reality. We'll see a bunch of old blood come back for StormBlood, then people will get bored and quit - and MORE people will follow. No reason for it, that's just how MMOs are. People don't stick around. They have other things to do. SE is choking Balmung and promising it can breath again later. It may be dead by the time that happens. That sounds dramatic, but it is a risk.

 

A new server has the disadvantage of not being well known and no one really deciding what the new server IS. Mataeus is being pushed here but I keep seeing Siren pushed on the official forums. The so-called leaders of each server need to get together and talk about what they are doing so new people feel comfortable rolling in one of the "Wild West" servers. The RPC can help, a lot actually, if we throw are weight behind one server, but we can also look like we're playing favorites too. If we don't care about how it looks, I'd recommend just throwing our weight behind something. Still, the truth is, most people know Balmung as the RP server. They want to be on Balmung. They don't to help build a community, they want to be in one already established. Harsh, but true. People are just more comfortable that way. That gives any server a disadvantage, especially if people treat it as "I'll just roll here till Balmung opens up". Gilgamesh gave it a good go, but thanks to leadership falling into drama (Which is why I recommend NOT HAVING A CENTRALIZED LEADERSHIP) everyone just transferred to Balmung. It's going to be hard to make it successful without some bitterness.

 

It's just so much balls that people have to decide things RIGHT NOW because of what SE did.

[Val]

We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.

 

It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.

 

There should never, ever be an in-all plan. If anything, hope they listen, but plan for a secondary course of action in case they don't.

 

EDIT: And like Nodem just mentioned above, they'd make everyone transfer and I highly doubt they'd transfer housing over. So people would lose/stand to lose their stuff if they don't jump on it immediately.

That's the thing though, they need to handle it delicately.

 

If there was an official RP server released? I'd very most likely head there. Especially if Balmung remained locked. Mostly because unlike what we are trying to achieve here by shouting were to go, people will probably, highly likely, still be shattered all over the place and nothing will come of it.

 

I feel if they released a RP server, people would slowly start coming over there. With those tiny self proclaimed servers? Not so much.

 

Ultimately I also feel, while everyone is trying to make Balmung the boogieman, trying to throw the burden onto the roleplayers here, those small communities should step up. And some have! But they also should decide were to redirect people to. Because I feel it would be lot better to redirect people to one server instead of six.

 

But us Balmung people? We aren't on those small communities. How can we tell what's better? I only had experience with one EU one, and I didn't like it. People were friendly, but it wasn't what I wanted.

 

I agree. I don't think they are capable of handling anything delicately (especially if it's in corporate SE's hands), but a great deal of caution does need to be taken. If there were an official RP server, I'd prolly bail too assuming my partner was willing to do the same and the transfers were free.

 

But I also think if Balmung remains locked long enough and people roll alts/go to one of those alt servers (preferably the one with the biggest community), it has a chance to thrive. It'll still be split, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. 

 

I say that because with a lot of people comes many personalities, and they tend to clash pretty often. I don't think a week has gone by on Balmung that didn't involve some major drama, and some people could stand to be separated tbh.

[Val]

 

Balmung being locked (And probably locked for awhile, we need to stop saying it's going to be only a month or two, it's not. We all know it's not. Balmung is in dire straights, it's going to be longer) risks Balmung dying as a server due to people quitting and no one new coming in. That's the truth. That's the reality. We'll see a bunch of old blood come back for StormBlood, then people will get bored and quit - and MORE people will follow. No reason for it, that's just how MMOs are. People don't stick around. They have other things to do. SE is choking Balmung and promising it can breath again later. It may be dead by the time that happens. That sounds dramatic, but it is a risk.

 

This will, without a doubt, happen, but I don't think it's the end of the world. When enough people quit/bail they'll likely open the server back up and the congestion will be solved. Yes, it could take a while, but I wager people will be too busy doing expansion things/playing with friends they already have to really notice.

[Virella]

Drama will follow wherever roleplayers go though. That's sort of the circle of life for MMO RP.

[Val]

Drama will follow wherever roleplayers go though. That's sort of the circle of life for MMO RP.

 

Oh, without a doubt. But I've never seen a community thrive on it so much as this one. There's always going to be drama, not just in RP, but in MMOs in general. It's the nature of getting people together. But roleplayers are particularly.. uh. Passionate. About things, and are quick to snap at others (as we've witnessed over the past couple of days). Separating that/its people can only be good for the mental stability of the community itself imo.

[ArmachiA]

Drama follows anything. Don't even get me started on end game drama.

[Val]

Drama follows anything. Don't even get me started on end game drama.

 

End game drama, not to derail the thread, is one of the main reasons I quit end-game PvE in general. I did a lot of end game in WoW with one of the top PvE guilds on the server (Silver Hand ftw), and it was something different every week. Internal fighting. Loot rage. Officer drama. Multiple guilds fighting/sabotaging each other for the claim of "server first."

 

Smh.

[Delilah Scythewood]

It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.

^^^ This. Expecting them to do anything short of something they explicitly state they already plan to do usually just ends in disappointment. It also tends to make an argument look like it's coming from a petulant child rather than a rational adult.

 

If people wish to contend this, they need to also keep in mind where SE is coming from as well. This obviously wasn't something done to punish the players but was a necessity towards server congestion and preparing for an expansion launch in about a month.

 

Devs are more likely to listen when you're polite then if you're foaming at the mouth making threats or having impossible expectations.

[Val]

It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.

It also tends to make an argument look like it's coming from a petulant child rather than a rational adult.

 

As a dev myself, I can attest to this. Things are more likely to happen when you come at someone with genuine concern and a well thought out argument. Keyboard raging only ends with people not taking you seriously, getting annoyed, or you misrepresenting the community you're coming from and giving people horrid stereotypical views.

 

And for all we know, they sincerely are doing their best. It may not be great or ideal, but it is what it is.

[ArmachiA]

People have been very polite about it since 2010 though? I don't really recall people being rude to the devs, just venting frustrations on this forums which I'm sure the devs don't even read. Way back in the day, the devs got wind of us wanting an RP server and said they would think about it, but obviously went "Nah", and that's a very likely scenario this time.

 

Doesn't hurt to try though, just have other plans and treat them adding as a contingency.

[Val]

People have been very polite about it since 2010 though? I don't really recall people being rude to the devs, just venting frustrations on this forums which I'm sure the devs don't even read. Way back in the day, the devs got wind of us wanting an RP server and said they would think about it, but obviously went "Nah", and that's a very likely scenario this time.

 

Doesn't hurt to try though, just have other plans and treat them adding as a contingency.

 

Oh definitely, I don't mean in the past. People have been kind. But the people raging/lashing out right now? Not only to devs, but their own server people that are offering legitimate options and opinions? Definitely not helping as much as they think they are.

[ArmachiA]

 

Oh definitely, I don't mean in the past. People have been kind. But the people raging/lashing out right now? Not only to devs, but their own server people that are offering legitimate options and opinions? Definitely not helping as much as they think they are.

 

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense to turn on each other and rage against a non-existent machine. I keep tabs on Nero's thread and the amount of RPers turning on each other over this is startling.

[Kage]

I don't know if people think I'm being rational, thick-headed, or ragey or not. I'm just trying to come at this with the best possible foot forward with realistic expectations.

 

While RP is and always has been secondary, what the community by and large decides will affect me. I am seeing, watching, and weighing in because while I have no real bias or desire towards any particular path (except I do think that consolidating -even more- on Balmung is the worst), I am interested in what will be the outcome and how it affects my friends, the communities they interact with, and myself.

 

Would it be more likely to see a designated-by-SE RP server? Will that mean by and large Balmung's RP community leaves? Will my friends by and large leave?

 

Balmung is locked and another community must now be the one to point to. Will people join there cause it's freer? How does this community do? What are pros and cons of everything being considered?

 

Will people decide on another unofficial server and move en-masse with the incentives?

[Nodem]

A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players. I would love to make sure this is not a world we go to.

This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their

 

I see you've been having deja-vu crica 2008 as well. The entire time I've been speaking of this, I've been having flashbacks to this event. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO US. Reopening the gates to Balmung will 100% CAUSE THIS.

 

You'll notice a lot of this is sounding familiar too. As if it's happening now.

[Kage]

A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players. I would love to make sure this is not a world we go to.

This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their

 

I see you've been having deja-vu crica 2008 as well. The entire time I've been speaking of this, I've been having flashbacks to this event. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO US. Reopening the gates to Balmung will 100% CAUSE THIS.

 

How did FFXI fare afterwards? Did it still do well for long periods of time? Barely a blip in the profits etc? Did it start the decline in the game?

[Nodem]

A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players. I would love to make sure this is not a world we go to.

This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their

 

I see you've been having deja-vu crica 2008 as well. The entire time I've been speaking of this, I've been having flashbacks to this event. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO US. Reopening the gates to Balmung will 100% CAUSE THIS.

 

How did FFXI fare afterwards? Did it still do well for long periods of time? Barely a blip in the profits etc? Did it start the decline in the game?

 

Considering FFXI is still running, and still has subs, and has been running for 15 years now? I'd say pretty good.

[ArmachiA]

 

Balmung is locked and another community must now be the one to point to. Will people join there cause it's freer? How does this community do? What are pros and cons of everything being considered?

 

This is why I say WE - the Balmung community - need to throw our weight into supporting one server. We can't be neutral on it. It sucks, but it's the only way to give the community on a different server any validity. If -we- on Balmung push a certain server is our sister server, then people will feel way more comfortable rolling there. That's how -we- can help a community grow, we don't even have to move, we just have to tell people "Yes, go there. We recommend it." instead of just shrugging our shoulders and going "I dunno there are like 5"

 

I'm not saying we need to make that decision right now, we should probably weigh the pros and cons of each server and their viability. But I think that's how we can help, at least.

[ArmachiA]

A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players. I would love to make sure this is not a world we go to.

This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their

 

I see you've been having deja-vu crica 2008 as well. The entire time I've been speaking of this, I've been having flashbacks to this event. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO US. Reopening the gates to Balmung will 100% CAUSE THIS.

 

How did FFXI fare afterwards? Did it still do well for long periods of time? Barely a blip in the profits etc? Did it start the decline in the game?

 

Considering FFXI is still running, and still has subs, and has been running for 15 years now? I'd say pretty good.

 

As far as I'm aware FFXI is shutting down? Did I hear that wrong?

[Nodem]

This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their

 

I see you've been having deja-vu crica 2008 as well. The entire time I've been speaking of this, I've been having flashbacks to this event. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO US. Reopening the gates to Balmung will 100% CAUSE THIS.

 

How did FFXI fare afterwards? Did it still do well for long periods of time? Barely a blip in the profits etc? Did it start the decline in the game?

 

Considering FFXI is still running, and still has subs, and has been running for 15 years now? I'd say pretty good.

 

As far as I'm aware FFXI is shutting down? Did I hear that wrong?

 

Celebrating it's 15th anniversary soon. http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/campaign/wcb/index.html?b=1705

[Arrelaine]

I think we should wait to make any hard decisions about another server until we see what servers will be free to transfer too. I think that's going to help immensely, though I'm still hedging bets on Mateus, as long as there's not an influx of people going there. Granted, it would have to be a lot of people, but.