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The Decline of Gilgamesh


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Hey all, haven't been around too much since my sub ran out a few weeks ago (and I didn't resub as I was in a bit of a rut, and then got stuff going irl).

 

Looking to come back for 2.3 in a couple week (if not sooner) and I've been talking to a couple of my old contacts - and the state of Gilgamesh is almost appalling. 

Driftwood Coast - THE big RP FC seems to be in dire straits with more and more people 'drifting' away, Wayward Star has literally 'jumped ship' to Balmung along with the Echo Knights and The Black Sails seems to have shipwrecked with the loss of many hands. As well, Gold and the Blue Moon Healing Centre have locked their doors to the public.

 

Now, I'm not a huuuge RPer, but I did enjoy it from time to time and liked to poke my various character's heads in to see what was going on and try to make connections. Of course my main's place, Parker's Wulver's Den is still in existence (though rather empty with me not ingame for a bit), but I can't believe what I'm hearing about Gilgamesh! What's going on guys?

 

If Gilgamesh is truly going up or down in flames, I would like to know (I have a number of characters and my FC there). Please let me know the circumstances and such below, I may have been away for a bit, but I don't want to come back to find few if any friends remaining...

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It was a sad decision to make, it was not mine alone, heck, I hadn't suggested it and it wasn't made lightly. We've always had a great love for the Gilgamesh community and have supported it right from the beginning.

 

But the community isn't what it once was, we've had a fantastic time and a lot of stories to tell, met lots of great people, seen them come and go, but I don't think our RP would continue to survive if we remained. There were drama llama issues going on in The Goblet, which we know to house a number of popular RP FC's, we did our best to resolve them, but it did become a drain on many of us. To the point where we started feeling more introverted and the decline of players didn't help - not really a community 'feeling' anymore. We welcome RP and respect people's RP, so we love RP with people outside of our FC. The numbers are also a lot smaller compared to what they were.

 

I've found typically when talking Gilgamesh vs Balmung, typically people would say you get a lot more RP on Balmung (also open world RP), but you're more likely to get quality RP on Gilgamesh - though quality is not exclusive to either and of course, nothing is guaranteed. But it's based on the experiences reported back to me. But now, I think Balmung is looking to be the brighter place for us.

 

Also, for us many of our friends in RP have come and gone, we have left a handful behind, regrettably (yourself included), which is why it wasn't a light decision.

 

Seeing Drift completely split, that was a big surprise, it was almost like seeing a god fall. It makes me glad we've managed to keep our FC in order for so long, but again, if we stayed, I suspect we would eventually meet the same fate and we love what we have going, so we'd never want that fate, not until at least we grow sick of each other. :P

 

Though, it will be *fun* saving up for another house. We've had to leave ours behind on Gilgamesh as you know, but hey, most of us craft and we have wealthy Russian investor :P So maybe we can make the funds in due course.

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I was -briefly- a part of Driftwood. When I first got involved with the guild, it was really fun. I met a lot of the members in the Goblet and was looking forward to making new friends. But as time went on, stuff which I can only assume to be drama started happening within the guild and people, some of whom I had been RPing with just a few days before, started randomly leaving. It was kinda...disheartening. Especially when I was out of the loop like that. I wanted to know what was wrong so I could see if I could do anything to help, but every time I tried to confront someone about it, they beat around the bush and left me with more questions than answers.

 

I don't really mean to be calling anyone out here. I enjoyed my time in Driftwood, but I personally think the guild could have lasted if there was better communication. By the seven hells, I didn't even know the guild was closing down on the 16th until I logged in to the game a day before. I wasn't the most active guild member, I know that. It turned out more tough than I imagined to balance playing with my RL friends (who only want to run dungeons and stuff) and RPing.

 

It was sad to see it go. I tried sticking with the RP scene for the past few days, but the community is pretty much dead especially with guilds like Wayward Star going to Balmung. All that remains are very closed off cliques. If you ask me, I say go for Balmung instead of Gilgamesh at this point if you want to center your playtime around RP. Otherwise, Gilgamesh may provide a better casual RP atmosphere, but it is "EX mode" to get into the community now. The last few events posted on the Gilgamesh board weren't even really RP events but a PVE guild trying to recruit people into their rosters.

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Is it too late to say I told you so? I've been saying that since before launch splitting the RP community in two directions was a bad idea, particularly since all that seemed to be going to Gilgamesh was a smaller community more focused on tight cliques and making a name for themselves, but for the most part I've had to hold my tongue because that seems to be a taboo thing to talk about here. I'm not going to lie--I've run into a lot of players on Balmung who've transferred here from Gilgamesh because they were dissatisfied there. Most new players, events, and linkshell/FC ads I see here on the RPC are more often on Balmung than Gilgamesh. There are still some awesome role-players, FC's, and LS's on Gilgamesh, but I do have to say Balmung is more active in the RP community these days.

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I see no decline in Gilgamesh. ^_^ And am actually genuinely surprised reading this. Sorry you feel that way but you are more than welcome to come to events (there are always some, and linkshells that advertise them). I know of more than a few active linkshells/fcs.

 

Hit me up in game if you want invites to IC linkshells or have questions about events.

 

I find this sort of thing to be really toxic towards a community that I love. I see a lot of people complaining about not finding RP but unwilling to attend events or be a part of the community.

 

But if you do want to show up, we're waiting there for you. ; )

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^ It's kind of unfair to assume they aren't TRYING though. If you, personally, are in the inner circle of the RP community in Gilgamesh, you won't even feel the declined and that's probably how it is for you. However, if you are NOT, the decline will be felt much faster.

 

Saying "lol it's not, how dare you! Go to events!" doesn't fix your problem and shows me everything thats wrong with Gilgamesh.

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Is it too late to say I told you so? I've been saying that since before launch splitting the RP community in two directions was a bad idea, particularly since all that seemed to be going to Gilgamesh was a smaller community more focused on tight cliques and making a name for themselves, but for the most part I've had to hold my tongue because that seems to be a taboo thing to talk about here. I'm not going to lie--I've run into a lot of players on Balmung who've transferred here from Gilgamesh because they were dissatisfied there. Most new players, events, and linkshell/FC ads I see here on the RPC are more often on Balmung than Gilgamesh. There are still some awesome role-players, FC's, and LS's on Gilgamesh, but I do have to say Balmung is more active in the RP community these days.

 

I am glad someone is speaking up about this because this is exactly how I feel. It is not what Gilgamesh players want to hear but from my experiences the RP community is not big enough for more than one RP server for ANY MMO except maybe WoW. The game has been out for a while at this point. I understand the original reason for Gilgamesh was so that newcomers could get a fresh and fair start on a non-legacy server but those differences likely aren't all that noticeable anymore for new players.  That really hurts Gilgamesh's chances of getting fresh blood when non legacy servers are not really different from legacy ones at this point.

 

Overall I have to agree with Faye. Splitting the RP community probably wasn't a good idea.

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*puts on Magic Admin Hat*

 

I think there's a legitimate discussion that can be had here (particularly among those on Gilgamesh who are staying or have left sharing their reasons why), but if it starts devolving into a "neener-neener, Balmung's better" or "Balmung's a bunch of cliquish arses" flamefest, I'll be locking the thread and handing out warnings to the parties involved.

 

Don't make me be mean. :cry:

 

EDIT: I would gently suggest Balmung players bow out of this thread as a kindness to Gilgamesh players and a favor to me. If you really want to reopen the "two RP servers" discussion again, please start a new thread for it. Thanks.

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^ It's kind of unfair to assume they aren't TRYING though. If you, personally, are in the inner circle of the RP community in Gilgamesh, you won't even feel the declined and that's probably how it is for you. However, if you are NOT, the decline will be felt much faster.

 

Saying "lol it's not, how dare you! Go to events!" doesn't fix your problem and shows me everything thats wrong with Gilgamesh.

 

To be completely fair I wouldn't say I'm part of an inner circle. And now that folks know the invitations are completely open perhaps it won't be so difficult for them to join in.

 

People can feel free to approach me at any time. Don't be scared!

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...if you place two water droplets next to each other, the smaller one is going to be the one that moves the most when the larger one absorbs it.

 

Smaller bodies are inevitably pulled in towards larger ones. This holds true for celestial bodies as well as financial ones... and communities in general, too.

 

GRAVITY, YO.

 

 

 

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Zoe - maybe they're not so much intimidated as they are unaware that you're there/available? I know that tends to be a problem with smaller communities. I remember back when I was helping run a small vBulletin board for Legend of Zelda fans. Our membership was really, really small for the longest time... then we made an effort to advertise and get our names out there wherever and whenever possible, and membership bloated. I really have no better word for it other than "bloated".

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I know I shouldn't comment but I was mentioning to a few others that there -seemed- to be a recent shift. Perhaps it's really not so for those who -are- getting RP but perhaps it's -much- more so for those who used to have some but are now not seeing it.

 

There's been at least one other thread in less than 2-3 weeks time however about people talking about how they started or plan to migrate from Gilgamesh to Balmung. I remember at least one other where people did talk about how it was still thriving but it was in the housing areas etc. It's at least something worth talking about.

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Well, for one thing, I can honestly say The Black Sails isn't shipwrecked at all. We've just had several new people join us and are actually more active than ever. While we did have people make another FC, I fully encouraged it because I think it's a great idea to have more groups with more RP concepts.

 

We've been RPing in the cities, and each night we have walk up RP joining us, or people whispering us interested in applying. The interest is absolutely still here on Gilgamesh and I've yet to have any real trouble finding RP outside of my own FC. I know a lot of people are somewhat hesitant to venture out into the world and RP at NPCs and the like, but I've personally yet to be trolled and often pick up a little bit of random RP doing it.

 

On top of that, I've seen a TON of events going on. We had a small personal party with our FC the other evening, there was a bar crawl going on last night, and there's another event going on tonight at the Silver Bazaar. There's also a larger event, a Black and White Ball in the works, though the date for that is not yet set.

 

All in all, I'm happy here. One of our new recruits just transferred from Balmung and told me they preferred the community here, so the server "issue" is definitely one of choice. While our community isn't as large, my personal experience is that I find less trolling here than when I'm on my Balmung alt.

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If Gilgamesh is burning or dying or declining as everyone here thus far seems to claim, then it is truly the fault of the community at large, and not these 'clique' groups as some have mentioned!

 

I have been trying to recruit for a RP company for MONTHS!! and even with Drift and Wayward and all the others rage quitting over stupid crap (face it.. that's all this is.. stupid and petty crap.  It's a game.  Play to have fun and ignore the drama unless it's a planned part of the story.), you would think that a RP Company that is trying to start would get a few people from these sinking wrecks... but have I?

 

Not one single person has noticed, spoken to, or asked any questions about my company, it's RP ideals or even given interest to join.  Not one!  You've all been more then happy to play the rats and call this a sinking ship.

 

You want to say Gilgamesh is on the decline and try to point fingers.  Point away.. just get the target and direction right.

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I've noticed an influx of Gilgamesh people coming to Balmung recently.  If all else fails, come on over.  There's plenty to do and you might find some familiar faces.

Probably the soundest advice I can give you. But that would start to mean that Balmung is the only "dedicated" RP server.

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Having done endgame on Gilgamesh and minor RPing I think the server is not dead. Really as long as there is still one or two groups of people still roleplaying the server can't die. But the golden age of Gilgamesh RPing is over, I used to see open world RP quite often but (When I last had subs) it was noticeably declining and somewhat quickly. It became where the only RP I saw was at events I would pass by.

These events I imagine were hosted by the RPing free company Giants. The ones who were active on aggressively recruiting people. But with the supposed fall of the RPing giants it is like a ruined mega city with a few RPers of old and new hiding in its ruins. And when you have a few small invisible groups who only RP internally. You can forget there is even a RP community at all. The golden age of RP on Gilgamesh is over. Now the chances of it going into a new era of greatness are there, But it will not be today, nor tomorrow. I believe should this game ever recieve another massive intake of players like WoW Did after Vanilla. Then Gilgamesh has a chance to thrive again. As it still has the appeal of being open range and not having all the rules that need followed if you were to come to Balmung.

So I do not think Gilgamesh as died, or that it ever will. It is simply nothing of what it once was. and is more of a haven for the quiet internal RP. in a nice small countryside town.

Meanwhile Balmung is new york. It is natural people are going to want to go there because I mean... IT IS NEW YORK? But there are people who don't like big cities and will love Gilgamesh.

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I wouldn't say RP on Gilgamesh is dead, not at all. We've by no means 'rage' quit.

 

That said, no, the community isn't what it once was, which is fine. People move on. There has been a decline in population for a while and that does affect RP. Whilst there has been some issues, but we did our best to resolve them and we did persevere. We found in the end the best decision for *us* was to jump ship, that said, it's only the best *perceived* decision. Our house and FC still exist on Gilgamesh and we still have alts on there, it could be we actually come to regret the decision, we are well aware of the phrase "the grass is always greener". We could find we hate Balmung so much that we want to pull our hair out.

 

I have been trying to recruit for a RP company for MONTHS!! and even with Drift and Wayward and all the others rage quitting over stupid crap (face it.. that's all this is.. stupid and petty crap. It's a game. Play to have fun and ignore the drama unless it's a planned part of the story.), you would think that a RP Company that is trying to start would get a few people from these sinking wrecks... but have I?

 

 

FYI, we're not a sinking wreck, as an FC, we're as strong as ever. We're not feeling the need to recruit, it has rarely been an issue for us. We keep ourselves a moderately small FC and keep it cozy. The only time we've had to push a recruitment drive was after Christmas when we took a big dip, but we recovered and have been a comfortable size ever since. We've always picked up our members doing what we do best: RPing and making friends and placing ourselves in parts of the RP community. We also use our OOC LS to join up with all of our friends from other FC's and communicate with our community that way too. Yes, some of the people jumping off of these FC's server jump and I agree the ideal thing is for everybody to continue to support their community, we've been doing that for a long time, but in the end, we've decided to do what we think's best for us. After all, we use the motto "FC comes first".

 

Drama in Wayward Star is absolutely minimal, in fact, it has been a long time since anybody in the FC has had an issue with another member, because we are relaxed, but where drama has occurred, it has involved people outside and to a degree they can be ignored - though ignoring a problem isn't always the best means of dealing with it. We found 95% of the issues were resolved, but that doesn't change the reasons behind members all wanting to jump. This wasn't a council decision, but a practically unanimous decision of the FC.

 

I don't think Gilgamesh will die as a community - at least for a while (I wish not to claim anybody's immortal), but at the same time, we felt for us, a move would improve RP for us. I think it is accurate to say that the community isn't what it once was, because so many different faces have come and gone. By no means is it a jab at Gilgamesh, because I have absolutely loved my time there, I don't regret it one bit and I say that to the "I told you so's". I also suspect that the server jump won't be something we regret either.

 

But in terms of recruitment? I don't wish to be ignorant, but I am not familiar with your FC. I don't know if it helps, but we've kept links through the Coalition/Adventurers Guild LS groups and through different RP events, showcased our RP, invited people into our OOC LS group, been inclusive and invited people to RP on a fairly regular basis, building arcs with people, not just in the FC and it's by these links that we've attracted people into wanting to join, so when a person does move on, it's not a big hit and we can keep a comfortable flow of members. Because FC members comes first and get more of a say in how we do things, so they do gain something by being a part of the FC and get to feel a part of the crew.

 

 

 

So I do not think Gilgamesh as died, or that it ever will. It is simply nothing of what it once was. and is more of a haven for the quiet internal RP. in a nice small countryside town.

Meanwhile Balmung is new york. It is natural people are going to want to go there because I mean... IT IS NEW YORK? But there are people who don't like big cities and will love Gilgamesh.

 

I think this is a fair analogy. Gilgamesh you could say was a bigger more bustling town, but is now a nice small countryside town. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. We already are aware of the disadvantages of moving to New York, hence we're prepared.

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I'll have to agree with what Faye has said. While the RP I've found on Balmung is not always the quality I personally desire, it at least is there and open and you're almost always able to find it. To that end, we've also discussed at length and I thoroughly believe that the RP community, as a whole, is entirely too small to split for whatever reason.

 

I played during the original days of Warcraft and, quite honestly, you couldn't go ANYWHERE in the world without finding SOMEONE doing public RP. People were walking down the streets, living in some of the houses, guard guilds were doing guard things and there was absolutely no shortage of villains willing to sacrifice themselves for villainy things, and some heroes too!

 

This isn't necessarily a critique on the RP here as a whole, but it certainly isn't as large as it was then. This is in part due to the RP community being split between various games and interests and whatnot. However, splitting an already small and certainly dwindling community is not going to do anything but make it harder to find RP.

 

As for Gilgamesh, I can't really say anything on the server as I've never rolled a character there. I do, however, find an increasing number of people I've met being either transfers or rerolled characters from there. Is Balmung better? Idunno, but I certainly enjoy the community it has thus far, however it may be.

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So I do not think Gilgamesh as died, or that it ever will. It is simply nothing of what it once was. and is more of a haven for the quiet internal RP. in a nice small countryside town.

Meanwhile Balmung is new york. It is natural people are going to want to go there because I mean... IT IS NEW YORK? But there are people who don't like big cities and will love Gilgamesh.

 

I think this is a fair analogy. Gilgamesh you could say was a bigger more bustling town, but is now a nice small countryside town. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. We already are aware of the disadvantages of moving to New York, hence we're prepared.

 

 

I didn't want to really say anything to that quote but I think you are both wrong. Fair and simple. It's true Gilgamesh doesn't have much of a presence on the RPC, and there are many reasons for that but it is /not/ because we are inactive or 'small town roleplay'. It is generally agreed upon that RPC is not exactly a friendly environment for us because of how people from Gilgamesh are viewed here. This attitude spreads to people playing on Gilgamesh and then they leave because they are told on this site that Balmung is better.

 

Who's to say one server is better than another?

 

I do not intend to come off as offensive, so I say this with all due respect, but we see this happen all the time.

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No, I understand that completely. This is about the most I've posted on here for a long time.

 

I wasn't implying inactive at all. The population is smaller, there's not a big open world roleplay - though it does exist - one of the wonderful things about the Goblet is that it is home to many RP FC's - sure Shade & Drift no longer exist and we've packed our bags, but we're not the only presence - Black Sails is another major FC there, for example and the's also Gold.

 

The idea of a small country town is that almost every family knows one and another. That is a good thing, there has been a lot of cohesion in the Gilgamesh community, everybody's connected to somebody somehow. It's doesn't mean there's less activity, a small country town can be extremely eventful. At least, this is how I understood the analogy.

 

Who's to say one server is better than another?

 

Nobody. They're two different servers with two different communities. It's purely down to what people want out of a server's community.

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