White Mage Story Idea - Knowingly that I'll be bashed for this.

[Aldotsk]

I am trying to make a character who is sleeping in a void embryo inside the Lost City of Amdapor, but when couple of characters visit the place - the embryo tends to break, and the girl happens to be in a dormant sleeping state who does not remember anything that has happened to her, but her only existence and her abilities show that she is clearly a white mage. Would this plot be even valid and legit enough that I can actually create a white mage? 

 

I am rather curious and no, this is not a troll question because I am highly convinced that I want to make a white mage character in a sense that it supports it.

[Tiergan]

I think that anyone who would feel that you are breaking the lore by RPing a White Mage would just find this even more lore-shattering.

 

Personally, I feel that you would be better to simply going with the idea that White Mages are undergoing a quiet revival like other job-classes and just be very subtle about being a white mage. Void embryos and being locked in a dormant sleeping state for years and years (how many years has Amdapor been gone again? A century? Maybe more?) - is a lot harder to swallow than the elementals very cautiously loosening their restrictions on non-padjal white mages.

[Aldotsk]

Wouldn't someone literally be telling her to not reveal that she knows white magic due to the history changes? To this character, she'd know nothing but her own abilities and her names, but she doesn't remember what exactly happened. 

 

Sleeping in a dormant state for centuries can happen with conservation by magic at any terms. Which is why I kind of asked if it's even possible to really have a white mage character in a story as long as you make it original.

[Erik Mynhier]

As a confirmed Lore-bender, and enemy to all lore-nazis, I still steer clear of WHM and DRG rp. Those two are just to touchy. But that said I love time travel rp (if anyone remembers adult Lenna). So if you do this, I will not be mad, in fact I think I would want in on this.

[Pumpkinweed]

I am trying to make a character who is sleeping in a void embryo inside the Lost City of Amdapor, but when couple of characters visit the place - the embryo tends to break, and the girl happens to be in a dormant sleeping state who does not remember anything that has happened to her, but her only existence and her abilities show that she is clearly a white mage. Would this plot be even valid and legit enough that I can actually create a white mage? 

 

I am rather curious and no, this is not a troll question because I am highly convinced that I want to make a white mage character in a sense that it supports it.

 

Technically, you can make anything work so long as you don't go over the top and have phenomenal cosmic powers. I have to agree though, a character sleeping in the Lost City, while original, would in many ways come off like a mary sue for several reasons:

 

1) Being that she's a white mage, amnesia or not, she is going to have a pivotal role in the world's existence since the white mage's are all but gone.

 

2) When you have to ask: 'how did she seal herself', 'why did she seal herself', 'why did she suffer amnesia', ect. and you are the creator of the story asking for confirmation, you're basically tossing a rock into the dark hoping it won't hit something. Again, it just sounds like she's way too important.

 

I could go on and on, but I advise that if you polish the story and play it carefully you might make this work. Telling people on the forums or OOCly in the game will kind of destroy the magic and mystery of the character. It never hurts to just make the character, role play it out at an early level and see what others think of it based on interactions.

 

If there are a lot of negative comments, chances are it kind of won't be accepted. If you can get away with it, then you clearly played it carefully and ought to continue.

 

In the end, it's up to you and how to tell the story. I personally think it's way too over the top but that doesn't mean you can't make it work. Surprise us all. :thumbsup:

[Roswyn]

If I have my lore right, her memories really wouldn't matter. The moment she started practicing succor she'd anger the elementals and Kan-e-Senna and the padjals would notice.

 

It's difficult to create a white mage character in the sense that....it's almost impossible to do so without involving NPC's that are on the same level of the Sultana then you have to create a reason for them to allow your character to use this and no one else's and that would be the origin and catalyst of a lot of butthurt.

[LiadansWhisper]

If I have my lore right, her memories really wouldn't matter. The moment she started practicing succor she'd anger the elementals and Kan-e-Senna and the padjals would notice.

 

It's difficult to create a white mage character in the sense that....it's almost impossible to do so without involving NPC's that are on the same level of the Sultana then you have to create a reason for them to allow your character to use this and no one else's and that would be the origin and catalyst of a lot of butthurt.

 

This is correct.  Supposedly the Elementals are keeping active tabs on who is using Succor and if it's not got a Padjal tag, they have an issue with it.

 

Except for that one guy.  ¯\(°_o)/¯

 

But seriously, please play whatever the hell you want.

[Sounsyy]

Gods, as if I didn't just kill my brain like two seconds ago in the last post... I HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK!

 

90% lore canon as well!

 

So Amdapor existed somewhere between 1500 and 3000 years ago during the time of the 5th Astral Era. It was a city blessed by the Elementals with the gift of Succor, aka White Magic. During the end of the 5th Astral Era, a great war between Black Mages, White Mages, and Scholars called the War of the Magi broke out. Gone absolutely crazy with power, the Black Mages repeated the mistake of ancient Allagan Emporer Xande and opened SEVERAL voidgates in order to unleash the Seven Hells on their enemies. Meanwhile, White Mages and Scholars attempted to seal these Voidgates and destroy the Voidsent Black Mages had spawned in this world. (At great person costs, I'll add.)

 

Now, let's combine this with the story of Wiyu, an Allagan Summoner from the Third Astral Era who did battle with the Dark Divinity roughly 5000 years ago. Ultimately unable to defeat Odin, Wiyu sacrificed herself in order to seal Odin away. It wasn't until the 7th Umbral Era 5000 years later that her seal was finally broken and Odin re-released upon the realm.

 

So what I'm thinking is this... we know from E-Sumi-Yan that 1600 years ago, in one of the final great battles between Amdapor and the Black Mages, the Black Mages open several Voidgates and summon the Void King, Diabolos to destroy Amdapor. What if during that battle, your Amdaporian White Mage character pulled a Wiyu and sacrificed herself to seal one of those nondescript Voidgates and she was sealed away with it? (Not necessarily Diabolos's, but a general Voidgate.) So now, 1600 years later, those seals guarding Amdapor are beginning to fail. What if hers fails now too, and she is released from her own seal. Then a party of adventurers who are purging the city of Amdapor during a "dungeon run" find her body, aethersick and disoriented. There's your in for White Mage.

 

Thoughts?

[ArmachiA]

^ That's why I like "Lore-Nazi's"

 

You can make MOST THINGS FIT if you try.

[Aldotsk]

That actually sounds pretty cool!

 

I'll try  to work it out and modify it based on your idea. I think it will definitely fit with the lore now

 

But yeah of course, I'll keep the whole WHM on low profile in public especially Gridania. *cough*

[Tiergan]

First thing I want to get out of the way is: RP whatever is fun for you. You pay money for this game, you might as well have fun RPing in it. Not everyone may agree with it, but I'm sure you'll find people who are fine with it and will RP with you.

 

Now that I got that out of the way, my only question is - if you're just trying to find a way to have a white-mage character, why run with the idea of her being in stasis within Amdapor? We know next to nothing about Amdapor, SE hasn't provided us a whole lot of information about the civilisation. You basically have almost no backstory to fall back on for your character other than that she's an amnesiac with White Magic that was found in the Lost City of Amdapor.

 

She would have no history to really help enrich her story and if you gave her any memories at all that she eventually remembered, they would have to be insanely vague in order to avoid completely making up what Amdapor's culture, society, etc were like (only to run the risk of SE releasing lore in the future that completely contradicts it.)

 

If you go with the idea that perhaps she was found in the Shroud with no prior memory of anything other than that she was in some kind of stasis bubble with the mysterious ability to wield White Magic - you could open up your character to having any manner of history you like, without any restrictions that being from Amdapor would impose.

[Sounsyy]

Oh one thing I just realized! Continuity check!

 

Hyur hadn't yet migrated to Eorzea during the time of Amdapor, so your character would have to be either Elezen or Keeper Miqo'te! (I guess technically speaking they could be Lalafell or Roegadyn as well, but we have lore evidence of Elezen and Keepers inhabiting the Shroud during the 5th Astral Era.)

[LiadansWhisper]

Gods, as if I didn't just kill my brain like two seconds ago in the last post... I HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK!

 

90% lore canon as well!

 

So Amdapor existed somewhere between 1500 and 3000 years ago during the time of the 5th Astral Era. It was a city blessed by the Elementals with the gift of Succor, aka White Magic. During the end of the 5th Astral Era, a great war between Black Mages, White Mages, and Scholars called the War of the Magi broke out. Gone absolutely crazy with power, the Black Mages repeated the mistake of ancient Allagan Emporer Xande and opened SEVERAL voidgates in order to unleash the Seven Hells on their enemies. Meanwhile, White Mages and Scholars attempted to seal these Voidgates and destroy the Voidsent Black Mages had spawned in this world. (At great person costs, I'll add.)

 

Now, let's combine this with the story of Wiyu, an Allagan Summoner from the Third Astral Era who did battle with the Dark Divinity roughly 5000 years ago. Ultimately unable to defeat Odin, Wiyu sacrificed herself in order to seal Odin away. It wasn't until the 7th Umbral Era 5000 years later that her seal was finally broken and Odin re-released upon the realm.

 

So what I'm thinking is this... we know from E-Sumi-Yan that 1600 years ago, in one of the final great battles between Amdapor and the Black Mages, the Black Mages open several Voidgates and summon the Void King, Diabolos to destroy Amdapor. What if during that battle, your Amdaporian White Mage character pulled a Wiyu and sacrificed herself to seal one of those nondescript Voidgates and she was sealed away with it? (Not necessarily Diabolos's, but a general Voidgate.) So now, 1600 years later, those seals guarding Amdapor are beginning to fail. What if hers fails now too, and she is released from her own seal. Then a party of adventurers who are purging the city of Amdapor during a "dungeon run" find her body, aethersick and disoriented. There's your in for White Mage.

 

Thoughts?

 

It's pretty freaking awesome actually.

[Aldotsk]

Hyur hadn't yet migrated to Eorzea during the time of Amdapor, so your character would have to be either Elezen or Keeper Miqo'te! 

 

CURSES. T_T

 

I have to choose Elezen!? ... ((/racist perfectly!)) j/k.

 

I wanted to do Hyur but I guess I'll always ICly Fantasia it. ;D ...if I could  really.

[Aldotsk]

She would have no history to really help enrich her story and if you gave her any memories at all that she eventually remembered, they would have to be insanely vague in order to avoid completely making up what Amdapor's culture, society, etc were like (only to run the risk of SE releasing lore in the future that completely contradicts it.)

 

If you go with the idea that perhaps she was found in the Shroud with no prior memory of anything other than that she was in some kind of stasis bubble with the mysterious ability to wield White Magic - you could open up your character to having any manner of history you like, without any restrictions that being from Amdapor would impose.

 

This is other option I could go too. I'll see what I like and come up with it this week by posting here. Both you and Sounsyy made it  to a point here and I really appreciate  it!

[Warren Castille]

Question regarding white mages and succor:

 

Succor has to be permitted to you, correct? Is it a situation where the elementals lend that power to you, or is it that they just don't mind if you reach for it with their permission?

 

I ask because, if they are allowing people to dip into that resource, it would almost make more sense for them to withdraw that allowance once the host has died. If Succor is the library book, the elementals are the librarians retrieving them. If this was the case, it'd be entirely possible your white mage steps out of her bubble with no magic to draw on.

 

Conversely, if it's merely permission-based, it'd make for an interesting scene when she first practices again. Elementals are primal forces so I doubt they'd notice it'd been 1600 years between castings, but I suspect there'd be SOME reaction to her starting over. Could be fun if all of her spells are accompanied by sudden gusts of wind or random, seemingly-from-nowhere rains.

[Berrod Armstrong]

Gather your friends and other roleplayers enthusiastic about the concept, and you all can make something about it together. It seems to be workable, and the only reason or justification you need to actually do it?

 

"Because it'll be fun."

 

Go for it, and write some stuff about it on the bulletin board so I can creep enjoy some good reading!

[Sounsyy]

Succor has to be permitted to you, correct? Is it a situation where the elementals lend that power to you, or is it that they just don't mind if you reach for it with their permission?

 

I...it's difficult to answer this question because lore is very hazy on the subject.

 

In 1.0, Succor is demonstrated to us by Raya-O-Senna (when she uses it to take down an Elemental!), but the Player Character couldn't use Succor until an Elemental named Oha-Sok bestowed the gift upon the PC. In the final WHM quest, "The Chorus of Cataclysm" Oha-Sok actually becomes our White Mage AF robes so that the PC might carry her power wherever the PC went.

 

This raised quite a few questions at the time. Is our power temporary? Can we only wield succor so long as we are blessed by the Elementals? How many other Elementals are going to sacrifice themselves so people outside of the PC can become White Mages?

 

In 2.0, things take an even stranger twist. The ghost of an eccentric Elezen Padjal (we didn't even know Elezen Padjal were possible in lore until this guy shows up!) bestows upon the PC his soulstone so that the two younger Senna siblings can use us as a third wheel White Mage, despite the fact that they could have asked E-Sumi-Yan, O-App-Pesi, or their own sister Kan-E-Senna to do the job.

 

So essentially, because a nutjob Padjal ghost gave you his soulstone, it's a green light for you to be trained in White Magic by the other two Padjal. The Elementals seem to have little to no say in the matter, as the Padjal are literally training you in Succor for the sole purpose of taking out an Elemental.

 

So...

Succor has to be presented to you? Yes, the gift must be bestowed upon you in some form or fashion before being able to become a White Mage. Whether this is because an Elemental judges you and finds your soul to be pure and incorruptible (1.0) or because a Padjal thought it was a good idea (2.0).

 

In the case of Aldotsk's new character, her Amdaporian would have received the gift directly from the Elementals (perhaps even born with Succor?). Even though the Elementals summoned the flood to wipe magic off the planet, I don't think her character would have been affected by said flood while locked away within her seal. Similar to how Diabolos seems unperturbed by said events after his seal eventually fades.

 

I also don't believe that the Elementals would pull her power while inactive just because they believed her dead. Similar to how my 1.0 PC didn't lose her succor just because she went into Louisoux's time warp. Sure I had do the WHM quests over to get Holy back, but I think that's more the "new game" mechanics than lore.

 

 

On a tangent... (forgive me) but in both the 1.0 and 2.0 WHM quest lines we are threatened repeatedly that the Elementals can withdraw their gift of succor. Which has led rise to the belief that they can flick it on and off like a switch. However, my observations of the lore don't seem to corroborate this. Quite often in 1.0 (not in 2.0 because SE made Elementals a background flavor instead of a way of life ugh) we see Conjurers and Padjal square off against Elementals using conjury and succor. "Beckon of the Elementals," "Seeds of Initiative," and "The Chorus of Cataclysm" all display Succor being used against the Elementals to great effect.

 

If, like most people say They can, why don't the enraged Elementals in "The Chorus of Cataclysm" just turn off the PC's access to Succor before finishing her off and unleashing the Greenwrath upon the whole Shroud? We never see them even attempt such things. The only thing angered Elementals attempt to do, is kill the one who angered them. (Or temper him and turn him into a Wildling... but SE doesn't like Elementals so they conveniently left that out of 2.0... ugh)

 

So I'm starting to think that that threat of having our power "revoked" actually means "if you abuse this gift, we're going to kill you."

[ZindelloTarantella]

 

So I'm starting to think that that threat of having our power "revoked" actually means "if you abuse this gift, we're going to kill you."

 

Or perhaps the Elementals aren't as all pervading and powerful as we are led to believe? Or perhaps they are altogether bunk and there is something else at work using 'Elementals' as a cover? :evil:

[Sounsyy]

Or perhaps the Elementals aren't as all pervading and powerful as we are led to believe? Or perhaps they are altogether bunk and there is something else at work using 'Elementals' as a cover? :evil:

 

Noooooo, the Elementals are very real and very scary.

 

(Skip to 2:20 if the video doesn't automatically.)

 

"Beckon of the Elementals" and "The Call of Nature" are also terrifying examples of the Elementals in their prime. "Beckon of the Elementals" even has a nice cutscene of O-App-Pesi getting owned by an Elemental.

[ZindelloTarantella]

Or perhaps the Elementals aren't as all pervading and powerful as we are led to believe? Or perhaps they are altogether bunk and there is something else at work using 'Elementals' as a cover? :evil:

 

Noooooo, the Elementals are very real and very scary.

 

(Skip to 2:20 if the video doesn't automatically.)

 

"Beckon of the Elementals" and "The Call of Nature" are also terrifying examples of the Elementals in their prime. "Beckon of the Elementals" even has a nice cutscene of O-App-Pesi getting owned by an Elemental.

 

If I don't believe in them then they can't possibly exist or effect me! That's how it works right? RIGHT!?

 

No but seriously, it would almost be a satisfying little twist if it turned out that it wasn't the Elementals but some mad cult with a weather machine.

 

Also since this is from 1.0 I can completely ignore any and all implications and actions since it's from THAT DEAD GAME HUR HUR! /sarcasm

[FreelanceWizard]

Without wanting to open up a big can of worms here, the 2.0 MSQ talks a bit about how the Elementals have been diminished in the Seventh Umbral Era; I'm thinking particularly the remembrance ceremony in Gridania and Alphinaud's commentary afterwards. There's also the presence of Castrum in the Shroud, as well as Garleans just sort of wandering about (not just in the Sylphlands, but in the MSQ generally).

 

What I don't think there's any debate on is that the White Mage and Gridania lore in 2.x is all over the place in themes and even statements of facts, which is part of why there's such strong and divergent opinions on the matter, IMO.

[Aldotsk]

For race wise, would I need to come up with a good reason of how this white mage looks similar to Hyur than Elezen/Keeper? I am rather curious because if not, I'd like to see if Fantasia would be the last option (Which I hate doing because everyone change their appearance ICly by Fantasia or some experiment gone wrong haha;; )

[ZindelloTarantella]

Without wanting to open up a big can of worms here, the 2.0 MSQ talks a bit about how the Elementals have been diminished in the Seventh Umbral Era; I'm thinking particularly the remembrance ceremony in Gridania and Alphinaud's commentary afterwards. There's also the presence of Castrum in the Shroud, as well as Garleans just sort of wandering about (not just in the Sylphlands, but in the MSQ generally).

 

What I don't think there's any debate on is that the White Mage and Gridania lore in 2.x is all over the place in themes and even statements of facts, which is part of why there's such strong and divergent opinions on the matter, IMO.

 

Thanks for this reminder! I had forgotten about that little mention mostly because it was sort of a one-off line that wasn't brought up again, even in the WHM quest line. I suppose Gridanians would be the last people in Eorzea to admit that the Elementals aren't as powerful as they once were and frankly, I kinda support the idea. The game has enough primal forces to worry about without needing to kiss ass (lore-wise) to yet ANOTHER pack of primal forces that we can't see or that have any major quest-line effect (which I don't think they ever do in the main story of 2.x)

[Sounsyy]

No but seriously, it would almost be a satisfying little twist if it turned out that it wasn't the Elementals but some mad cult with a weather machine.

 

LOL it was those dang thespians from the new Mog quests all along! Curses!

 

 

What I don't think there's any debate on is that the White Mage and Gridania lore in 2.x is all over the place in themes and even statements of facts, which is part of why there's such strong and divergent opinions on the matter, IMO.

 

This.

 

 

For race wise, would I need to come up with a good reason of how this white mage looks similar to Hyur than Elezen/Keeper?

 

Considering Hyur don't show up in Eorzea for another thousand years post-Amdapor's demise, I think you would have to have a whopper of an excuse as to why there's a Hyur sealed inside a 1600 year old Amdaporian tomb.

 

Considering the bloody race-wars which went on for about 500 years between Elezen and Hyur when Hyur eventually did migrate to Eorzea in the 6th Astral Era, I don't think its possible to say either that your Amdaporian Hyur was part of some lesser known sect of Hyur who migrated 1000 years early.

 

Your Amdaporian probably wouldn't even know what a Hyur was, much less seen one. Which could be something interesting to roleplay. Maybe as she's walking around she sees this strange race that has no baring in her own memories. Maybe she finds them beautiful. Maybe she wishes she was like them. Idk.