ULDAH MSQ - If you RP in Ul'dah you should finish MSQ

[Coatleque]

Nothing is safe! Nothing is sacred!

 

I am sure there are some close, personal members of the Order that she DOES trust. They can't all be corrupt.

 

There is of course the unlikely possibility that she has the foresight to either nationalize their businesses and redistribute their wealth or at least break apart the monopolies that give them their influence before removing their legal authority. Dare to dream.

 

 

 

 

Great, so now we move straight over Democracy and go right into a Socialist Dictatorship Just cut out the middle-men.

 

 

 

And also...

 

 

As I said in another post before, Nanamo does have the authority to order her Sworn to take back control of the city by force. She is a monarch after all. However due to many personal and social reasons she has not done so. I wish they would have played more into this notion rather than an outright throwing in of the towel. Seems like she's giving up rather than forcing change.

 

 

[Aya]

 

 

 

It does, and I will gleefully hold onto that assumption until she is shown to lose or the writers are shown to have not thought this through.

 

 

 

 

The good old, "the script writers are on my side!" trick

 

[Coatleque]

Someone summarize for me? Because I am really far behind the story anyways so I'd appreciate it if someone spoiler tag or PM what the discussion was about .

 

Wouldn't mind this myself, please!

 

One Sentence Summary:

 

 

Nanamo Ul'Namo is thinking of abdicating and abolishing her throne in favor of a Republic type government of Ul'dah.

 

 

[Verad]

 

 

Great, so now we move straight over Democracy and go right into a Socialist Dictatorship  Just cut out the middle-men.

 

 

 

 

 

If it's going to work anywhere, it's going to work in a work of fiction.

 

Glory to Arstoztk - er, Ul'dah.

 

[Kage]

Well, i didn't mean that you should finish it to use it in RP but more that I figure if you RP in Ul'dah that you might be interested in the contents and in which you should finish it.

 

Because it seems that come 2.5 it'll be finishing this line.

 

I don't think in 3.0 they will continue this.

[Coatleque]

Well, i didn't mean that you should finish it to use it in RP...

 

True, but it is a very slow day on the forum. And you know we all like to speculate.

 

[LiveVoltage]

Well, i didn't mean that you should finish it to use it in RP but more that I figure if you RP in Ul'dah that you might be interested in the contents and in which you should finish it.

 

Because it seems that come 2.5 it'll be finishing this line.

 

I don't think in 3.0 they will continue this.

Or they might but do it casually. While focusing on the main scenario and what its about is the main point of the expansion, its always good to have quests that allow you to check up and keep tabs on the current situation of the other city states.

 

 

My point validating itself kind of because while the main point of 2.4 was focused around the heretic's and lady iceheart and shiva, they made you go and check up on the current status of Ul'dah and the crystal braves alot. That and we got to see what the doman's were up too, or more specifically their Ninja's.

 

Much to my surprise, the developers portrayed the Historical part of Ninja's accurately by a large account. Congrats to the developer's for doing their research and working hard. Ninjistsu being the odd point out though but ill overlook that.

 

[Seriphyn]

I have total faith in SE's writing. It has shown consistent improvement since 2.1 onwards, and when they address topics that overlap RL scenarios, they have demonstrated a solid knowledge of its general causes/processes.

[Kellach Woods]

I just want another shot of Lolorito grinding his teeth OKAY. Pls tell me if this happens in MSQ.

[ArmachiA]

Looks like there's going to be a huge change for Ul'dah come 3.0. INTERESTING. I love when the Devs through huge life changing decisions into the storyline and mess with the status quo, because it forces our own characters to react. One thing I love about FFXIV, unlike other MMOs, they are willing to move the storyline along quickly and CHANGE EVERYTHING.

 

My character lives in Ul'dah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[Kage]

Yoshi-P mentioned a new "calamity" at fanfest bringing in 3.0 from what I remember of the opening and panels. Perhaps this is part of it?

 

They have mentioned that changes to the ages (especially the recent ones) have been political in nature as well. This sounds like something that could be it too?

[Erik Mynhier]

Just sayin'..... when Raubahn finds out......

 

... she's going to need sunglasses for the blackeye he gives her. RRRRAAAAHHHHH!!!

 

 

Seriously though, that maybe how it runs, Raubahn tells her to stop being emo and suck it up and send her Sworn after those bastards. Turn a whine fest over cakes into an actual civil war. That would be fun.

[Warren Castille]

I do not expect the status quo to change. That would call for a Cataclysm-level of story altering in Ul'dah dialogue and quests and I just don't see that happening. The tease is working as intended, but I'm calling their bluff.

 

Screencap this so you can laugh at me in the build-up to 3.0.

[Erik Mynhier]

Screencap this so you can laugh at me in the build-up to 3.0.

 

No one laughs at a highlander and lives...... unless clown makeup is involved.

[Warren Castille]

Screencap this so you can laugh at me in the build-up to 3.0.

 

No one laughs at a highlander and lives...... unless clown makeup is involved.

 

Especially not once new classes get added.

[Erik Mynhier]

Screencap this so you can laugh at me in the build-up to 3.0.

 

No one laughs at a highlander and lives...... unless clown makeup is involved.

 

Especially not once new classes get added.

 

 

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[Kage]

I think they will mess with the status quo. Much like 1.0 went to 2.0 I think something similar will go 2.0->3.0

 

Not that big with much of the direction but I think there will be very significant changes.

 

Also, I forgot to mention that I guess the last few parts of dialogue from the MSQ regarding a certain dead thing in Mor Dhona will be part of what's going on in 3.0 but I think the whole thing in Ul'dah will be one of the reasons we get quests dealing with the Sil line and the 80 sins.

[Warren Castille]

Well, I'll relent. I'm of two minds on how things go. The one I think is most likely is that dramatic things happen but ultimately nothing changes.

 

However...

 

 

We don't know who Teledji was talking to, and we know he instructed trade routes to be blocked specifically to stymie Lolorito. He's making a powerplay, and his asking for Nanamo to be a "good little Sultana" indicates he needs her to either 1) not do anything, or 2) do exactly what she's doing. If Teledji is a genius-mastermind sort, he might have already figured out that Nanamo would see this as the Greater Good and he might be putting himself into position to seize the empty throne/presidency/whatever. That's what I'm considering our "Bad End" scenario, where Nanamo's sacrifice ends up being for nothing.

 

[Coatleque]

... we get quests dealing with the Sil line and the 80 sins.

 

We shall replace the 80 sins of Sasamo with the 90 virtues of Nanamo

[LiveVoltage]

Well, I'll relent. I'm of two minds on how things go. The one I think is most likely is that dramatic things happen but ultimately nothing changes.

 

However...

 

 

We don't know who Teledji was talking to, and we know he instructed trade routes to be blocked specifically to stymie Lolorito. He's making a powerplay, and his asking for Nanamo to be a "good little Sultana" indicates he needs her to either 1) not do anything, or 2) do exactly what she's doing. If Teledji is a genius-mastermind sort, he might have already figured out that Nanamo would see this as the Greater Good and he might be putting himself into position to seize the empty throne/presidency/whatever. That's what I'm considering our "Bad End" scenario, where Nanamo's sacrifice ends up being for nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

This is just a head cannon scenario in my mind though but if he planned this out and the Sultana steps down and Teledji claims the throne or whatever, it could lead into a full-on civil war between the Syndicate/Merchant lord's and the Sultansworn/Immortal Flames and Rahubahn, as he, being the Nanamo loyalist he is, will want to create the ideal future that Nanamo sought after and lead the war against the syndicate. Just head cannon though.

 

[Erik Mynhier]

This is just a head cannon scenario in my mind though but if he planned this out and the Sultana steps down and Teledji claims the throne or whatever, it could lead into a full-on civil war between the Syndicate/Merchant lord's and the Sultansworn/Immortal Flames and Rahubahn, as he, being the Nanamo loyalist he is, will want to create the ideal future that Nanamo sought after and lead the war against the syndicate. Just head cannon though.

 

 

This is the scenario I expect actually. Not what I want mind you, but these stories and plots in this game.... every damn one of them resemble, seem to be based off of, or are damn sight ripped off of older FF games or games made by the creators of said games. I have played religiously these games since FF1 on the NES, and I'm often surprised when no one notices something then I remember I'm old now and the game being referenced is 20+ years old.

 

 

The hint that is giving it away for me is what we saw in the last mission "Let us cling together". The few plot points we get strike me as similar to the one of the side plots from "Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together". For those who are not aware, the said game was developed by many of the developers responsible for FFT. Many consider it a side game due to its similarities in storytelling, job system, and skills. This dispite the fact it is not officially bart of the series or even a Square game.

 

[Roen]

So many speculations!

 

I am just excited/curious/anxious to see how this story will develop.

[Nyalie Lihzeh]

Can I make my guesses?

 

 

My opinion!

 

o be a republic, not need to be a democracy. I think because the game use the concept of city states, if they will make a republic this republic is not a democratic republic like we have today! This will be a Politeia, like in the Plato book The Republic, this republic were the government is a king, how negate all his possessions only to rule thinking in the great good. One of the requirements of that is the age (45) and the knowledge in history and philosophy (it is why Plate use the therm philosopher-kings). With more age and after see the reign of Calippus of Syracuse Plato, change the base of his republic not in the Knowledge but to the laws.

 

I think re Republic that Your Grace is saying is the roman republic after 4th century BC, because in this time the plebes can join the senate. I think she will dissolute The Syndicate with the exposition of the garlean influence and change this to a elected senate and with that she will be part of this senate or will assume just a symbolic position (Like the monarchy in the present day how are parliamentary constitutional monarchy).

 

the history of Ul'Dah remember me a little the history of the Republic of Venice:

 

 

(...)In the 12th century, the aristocratic families of Rialto further diminished the Doge's powers by establishing the Minor Council (1175), composed of six advisers of the Doge

 

Wikipedia(...)

 

 

 

You all can understand what I say? Or I wrote very badly?

 

[Coatleque]

Something else to consider:

 

 

The fact that Nanamo even -has- the power to 'dissolve' the Syndicate means she could take back control if she wanted to. What she is doing is just plain giving up.

 

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Nanamo is a weak ruler who would rather destroy her family's birthright instead of rising to the occasion and actually -making a bloody decision-.

 

 

 

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And now having finished the MSQ myself, I can only re-iterate what I considered above.

[Sounsyy]

So...

 

I'mma just leave this here...

 

And listen to all the minds go pop...

 

Someone has a third eye...