The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Steel Wolf]

Let me pay forward, then! Though this is guesswork.

 

During that phase, a finger is rotating and pointing at each quadrant in a roulette. Eventually it stops, and anyone in that quadrant gets straight up murdered. Now, this is guesswork on my part, but I believe if the Hourglass is still up for that quadrant, it freezes everyone in it so they can't escape. I was in one of the quadrants at the end of the roulette at least twice with a dead Hourglass and was able to just waltz on out of it before the murder beam.

 

AAAH! Oh okay. I mean, it looked like bad so I kept away from whatever quadrant got pointed at, but it was still nice to get the whys and the hows. Thanks! :3

[Gegenji]

You shared info?

 

*votes dismiss*

 

MY ONLY FLAW IS A CARE TOO MUCH. :cry:

[Warren Castille]

Now that I've done the three new dungeons, I'm already trying to plot which pulls to make one jumbo pull. Keeper of the Lake seems to be the "friendliest" of them due to the gating, though WP looks plenty easy to do if you don't mind risking murdering yourself.

 

I did every single pull yesterday by itself, though. I felt so patient... and so slow.

[Melodia]

You shared info?

 

*votes dismiss*

 

MY ONLY FLAW IS A CARE TOO MUCH. :cry:

*Reports to the GM*

 

 

LOL *hugs*

[Kage]

Let me pay forward, then! Though this is guesswork.

 

During that phase, a finger is rotating and pointing at each quadrant in a roulette. Eventually it stops, and anyone in that quadrant gets straight up murdered. Now, this is guesswork on my part, but I believe if the Hourglass is still up for that quadrant, it freezes everyone in it so they can't escape. I was in one of the quadrants at the end of the roulette at least twice with a dead Hourglass and was able to just waltz on out of it before the murder beam.

 

AAAH!  Oh okay.  I mean, it looked like bad so I kept away from whatever quadrant got pointed at, but it was still nice to get the whys and the hows.  Thanks!  :3

I believe that the roulette stops when the last hourglass drops. So when you're on the last hourglass... BE CAREFUL

[Enteris]

Now that I've done the three new dungeons, I'm already trying to plot which pulls to make one jumbo pull. Keeper of the Lake seems to be the "friendliest" of them due to the gating, though WP looks plenty easy to do if you don't mind risking murdering yourself.

 

I did every single pull yesterday by itself, though. I felt so patient... and so slow.

I had the same feeling of slowness from my caution with the pulls as well. I haven't done Keeper yet (time constraints), but I honestly thought AK had better chain/lump pulls than WP... especially with those vines adding vulnerability to the mobs. 

 

WP felt like too many closed doors in the way... I dunno. Plus, the pulls with the standards... do the standards have to die to open the door, or can you just tug all the moving mobs to the end of the hall and aoe them down, thereby leaving the standards alive?

 

Side note: Out of the two I have run... WP is snorefest boring to me. Even Sastasha HM is more exciting, imo.

[Melodia]

 

I believe that the roulette stops when the last hourglass drops. So when you're on the last hourglass... BE CAREFUL

Silly Kage....

 

*Votes dismiss for sharing info*

 

 

((I swear that is the last time. I couldn't resist))

[Warren Castille]

Now that I've done the three new dungeons, I'm already trying to plot which pulls to make one jumbo pull. Keeper of the Lake seems to be the "friendliest" of them due to the gating, though WP looks plenty easy to do if you don't mind risking murdering yourself.

 

I did every single pull yesterday by itself, though. I felt so patient... and so slow.

I had the same feeling of slowness from my caution with the pulls as well. I haven't done Keeper yet (time constraints), but I honestly thought AK had better chain/lump pulls than WP... especially with those vines adding vulnerability to the mobs. 

 

WP felt like too many closed doors in the way... I dunno. Plus, the pulls with the standards... do the standards have to die to open the door, or can you just tug all the moving mobs to the end of the hall and aoe them down, thereby leaving the standards alive?

 

Side note: Out of the two I have run... WP is snorefest boring to me. Even Sastasha HM is more exciting, imo.

 

I felt the exact opposite. AK felt like annoying trash (seriously, they lock that stuff into the walls!) whereas WP didn't feel like it stopped you from running and grabbing lots at once. The whipping vines in AK are a nice addition but when your shit it stuck on geometry it doesn't work so great.

 

You can ignore standards in WP, meaning you can sprint through that area and pull like, 10 things at once. It's pretty horrific without cooldowns, though. Like, all of them. Can still probably do two at a time and go fast.

 

Keeper is probably the most straight forward. There's hard walls that go down when trash is dead, and nothing to stop you from clumping trash.

[Dravus]

I like that there's gating to stop massive pulls. Spamming AoE over and over bored me terribly back in WoW so I prefer it when I'm in a group with a cautious tank and/or healer.

[Gegenji]

Now that I've done the three new dungeons, I'm already trying to plot which pulls to make one jumbo pull. Keeper of the Lake seems to be the "friendliest" of them due to the gating, though WP looks plenty easy to do if you don't mind risking murdering yourself.

 

I did every single pull yesterday by itself, though. I felt so patient... and so slow.

I had the same feeling of slowness from my caution with the pulls as well. I haven't done Keeper yet (time constraints), but I honestly thought AK had better chain/lump pulls than WP... especially with those vines adding vulnerability to the mobs. 

 

WP felt like too many closed doors in the way... I dunno. Plus, the pulls with the standards... do the standards have to die to open the door, or can you just tug all the moving mobs to the end of the hall and aoe them down, thereby leaving the standards alive?

 

Side note: Out of the two I have run... WP is snorefest boring to me. Even Sastasha HM is more exciting, imo.

 

I felt the exact opposite. AK felt like annoying trash (seriously, they lock that stuff into the walls!) whereas WP didn't feel like it stopped you from running and grabbing lots at once. The whipping vines in AK are a nice addition but when your shit it stuck on geometry it doesn't work so great.

 

You can ignore standards in WP, meaning you can sprint through that area and pull like, 10 things at once. It's pretty horrific without cooldowns, though. Like, all of them. Can still probably do two at a time and go fast.

 

Keeper is probably the most straight forward. There's hard walls that go down when trash is dead, and nothing to stop you from clumping trash.

 

I... I liked WP more because I got to save tonberries and the music was nice. :blush:

 

SPEAKING of WP. Is it actually bad to kill the banners on the last boss? The tank I had said not to do it and basically just had us running around as he spread them horribly about the room (I would've moved just to the edge of the previous one so there's overlap and thus more free space). He also said to ignore the idols unless we needed space and just deal with the defense bonus.

 

Again, a situation where I was dealing with people who apparently knew the fights and decided to be either quiet on them or vague as freaking possible. I need to know these things for when I run through with Chachan and actually have to TANK the fights.

[Dravus]

We ended up ignoring the banners in my group during the last boss. They boost his damage but they don't seem to stack with each other. We did kill the idols that occasionally popped up though and did our best to avoid as much of the incoming damage as possible. The doom mechanic is negated by being healed to full so an attentive healer is a must.

[Kage]

I had a harder time running ST last night than I did LotA.

 

We did have one troll trying to fubar the raid but when you have 5 other Tanks~

 

Someone decided to attack the allagan bomb or having the vassago too close to him buffs him. Because the first pull and I see him blowing up and I go "Why is he getting so fat so fast?" The balloons and napalms weren't going to the middle, we were blowing him up pretty fast. -I don't remember this mechanic so much!!-

 

Wiped on Phlegethon cause some healer facepulled and the tanks brought it to far off corner. Didn't see the pads up. I think that was my first wipe on the fight @_@

 

ST though... no wipes but ugh. The amount of HPS I did as SCH was SO MUCH. FUCK YOU ALL I'M A SCH. Yes I know I have a baby whm but the WHM just does Cure IIs and barely ever does the raid wide heals! D: ALSO STOP MAKING US ALL NEARLY DEAD AT THE END. Kill slimes. TANK ADDS OMFG. "Can we please stop having the healers get ganked by trash mobs and adds?"

 

"agreed" - says tank.

 

SAYS TANK WHO STAYS ON BOSS AND IS NOT GRABBING ADDS WHEN THEY AREN'T MT.

 

:<

[Gegenji]

The doom mechanic is negated by being healed to full so an attentive healer is a must.

 

I found that particular bit out after the fact because the tank didn't deign to tell me and I was too busy looking at the health bars to notice the boss' little spiel about it.

 

Lost one of the DPS to it, discovered the secret when it popped on someone I was healing and I saw it vanish after a crit Physick. No more Doom deaths after that.

[Sounsyy]

I... actually don't have a vent today. (SHOCKING RIGHT)

 

So yesterday I ran AK, WP, WoD, and KotL twice each. Tanking each time. I'll be honest, I still don't know most of the mechanics for WoD. I think I figured most of the stuff out, but WoD is still a cluster- honestly.

 

Eyeball alternate red blue red blue. Look away on Mortal Gaze. If you get doom run to lighted panel. When the Hourglasses spawn, kill them asap, as that will stop the rotating pointer finger of doom. When the finger stops, gtfo of that pie slice or die. Lv100 Flare and Lv150 Death, soak or run out, but the number of people hit cannot equal Lv100 (ie 2 people) or Lv150 (3 people) respectively or else death.

 

WP seemed like the most straightforward dungeon out of the lot. I STILL don't understand the mechanics of the 2nd fight with the standards. Like... wut? They give debuffs or they raise your attack, but if you hit the one that boosts your attack, boss casts Toad on you. Oh and I found out tank should just ignore standards cuz you might get lowered fire resistance.... and that was scary painful. Last boss, just ignore standards, rotate the boss around the outside of the room clockwise/counterclockwise, moving after each standard. Kill idols and don't rotate boss out of Idol puddle cuz as long as it's up he's got the buff anyways. Can usually kill well before making it 270 degrees around the circle.

 

AK I really enjoyed, just because of how different the mechanics stood out from other dungeons. I did all my runs blind with my FC and when we went into first boss of AK I may or may not have gotten 6 stacks of vulnerability as a tank..................... dat next cleave doe. And OMG that demon wall gauntlet. First time we did that we finished with like 3 seconds to spare. There was some screaming going on.

 

 

OH, I do kind of have a gripe! WTF SE! I catch all of the Big Fish to get my Ironworks Rod for my FSH and then you turn around a put in an EVEN BETTER ROD that's actually super easy to get?! Like, I already have all the mats for it, I just need more Gigant Clams - which are actually super easy to catch and have low requirements for catching them. ?????????????? So mad.

 

Mkay, so much for not having a vent today.

[FreelanceWizard]

What we determined for WP was...

 

 

 

For the second boss, determine which color gives you the Damage Up buff and ensure someone picks that up each round, otherwise the boss gets it (and for me, at i109, 6-7 stacks is basically unhealable with the other damage coming out). Ignore the other colors except for the one that does Toad, since you'll need that to undo the random Toad.

 

For the third boss, yeah, ignore the Standards but kill the Idols. Also, be sure to save the healer when the adds pop. Staying close to the boss helps protect people against eating the giant cone AE; we did that on the second boss of AK, too, since that Confuse is super-annoying.

 

 

[Gegenji]

What we determined for WP was...

 

 

 

For the second boss, determine which color gives you the Damage Up buff and ensure someone picks that up each round, otherwise the boss gets it (and for me, at i109, 6-7 stacks is basically unhealable with the other damage coming out). Ignore the other colors except for the one that does Toad, since you'll need that to undo the random Toad.

 

For the third boss, yeah, ignore the Standards but kill the Idols. Also, be sure to save the healer when the adds pop. Staying close to the boss helps protect people against eating the giant cone AE; we did that on the second boss of AK, too, since that Confuse is super-annoying.

 

 

 

Oh god that Confuse. Hate that Confuse. It caused so many wipes. Huge cone and he ALWAYS seems to be at one side of the room, turning it inward so there's nowhere to go.

 

In fact, our kill in my run of the place only came from us having him low enough that the remaining DPS and tank could finish him off after Confuse ruined our day. And even then it was close, tank was only one still up at the end. Totally got my commendation.

[Aris]

Thank you all for the understanding responses regarding my last post. 

 

It surprises me that some don't enjoy blind runs - they're my favourite! Did WoD as healer about an hour after the servers opened and everyone was new, took the full two hours and we couldn't clear the last boss, but it was so much fun! But I imagine I was quite lucky as the everyone was pretty chilled throughout the whole thing.

 

..This is more of a happy post than a rant post. (Maybe we should have a 'positive experiences' thread too? )

 

A rant to make it appropriate: Keeper last boss as SMN is awful. Awful.

[Gegenji]

It surprises me that some don't enjoy blind runs - they're my favourite thing about each patch. Did WoD as healer about an hour after the servers opened and everyone was new, took the full two hours and we couldn't clear the last boss, but it was so much fun! But I imagine I was quite lucky as the everyone was pretty chilled throughout the whole thing.

 

I have nothing against blind runs. My Battle on Big Bridge run was done blind. Someone said they were new and not to spoil anything, so we went in without any information and had ourselves a grand old time.

 

My issue lies in people who either assume you should already know the fight - or refuse to tell you pertinent information - despite being told that you're new. I don't mind blind runs, but if no one is wanting to be surprised? Please tell me things! Especially if I'm the tank or healer!

[Aris]

It surprises me that some don't enjoy blind runs - they're my favourite thing about each patch. Did WoD as healer about an hour after the servers opened and everyone was new, took the full two hours and we couldn't clear the last boss, but it was so much fun! But I imagine I was quite lucky as the everyone was pretty chilled throughout the whole thing.

 

I have nothing against blind runs. My Battle on Big Bridge run was done blind. Someone said they were new and not to spoil anything, so we went in without any information and had ourselves a grand old time.

 

My issue lies in people who either assume you should already know the fight - or refuse to tell you pertinent information - despite being told that you're new. I don't mind blind runs, but if no one is wanting to be surprised? Please tell me things! Especially if I'm the tank or healer!

 

Oh it wasn't aimed at any one here, just where Melodia commented that someone said "wait so we're going in blind? Ugh.."

YES WE ARE WHOO. 

 

What you've said is definitely frustrating. ;;

[Warren Castille]

I like to go in with juuuuust enough information to be dangerous. It's no secret I spoil stuff for myself in regards to mechanics and whatnot just because, as a tank, I think it's more important I not kill us all with placement and give us a chance at winning. That doesn't mean I know anything, though.

 

Last night doing Keeper, I knew about the OHKO mechanic. I knew how to avoid it. What I DIDN'T know what the actual-how-to-avoid-it way. So, we do the first step, my party does the second step, and I TAKE THE EXPLOSION ON THE FACE AND DIE.

 

Whoops.

 

Didn't make the mistake twice, but it made for a fun encounter. Similarly, I knew about the totems for the second WP boss but not specifically what they did. OOPS, 6K FIRESPIT, 4K FIRE.

 

I can't understand fights until they've killed me. I try to skip through the "Why did that kill me" ahead of time, though.

[Kage]

I know this is about venting but...

 

OHKO in Keeper?

 

Do you mean you weren't in the bubble?

[Melkire]

Probably wasn't in the bubble. Tsk tsk, Warren. Halatali HM / Leviathan mechanic.

[Gegenji]

He couldn't trouble to bubble?

[Aduu Avagnar]

I like to go in with juuuuust enough information to be dangerous. It's no secret I spoil stuff for myself in regards to mechanics and whatnot just because, as a tank, I think it's more important I not kill us all with placement and give us a chance at winning. That doesn't mean I know anything, though.

 

Last night doing Keeper, I knew about the OHKO mechanic. I knew how to avoid it. What I DIDN'T know what the actual-how-to-avoid-it way. So, we do the first step, my party does the second step, and I TAKE THE EXPLOSION ON THE FACE AND DIE.

 

Whoops.

 

Didn't make the mistake twice, but it made for a fun encounter. Similarly, I knew about the totems for the second WP boss but not specifically what they did. OOPS, 6K FIRESPIT, 4K FIRE.

 

I can't understand fights until they've killed me. I try to skip through the "Why did that kill me" ahead of time, though.

The fun thing about the WP fight? The totem's change there effect each time you fight him.

[Warren Castille]

Yeah. What bubble? Too busy watching HP, watching dragon, watching Mid, watching AoEs, watching cast bar. I don't look at very many game elements when I've got so much UI to agonize over.

 

Now I know what the relevant parts to agonize over are.