The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Kage]

Can confirm. A level synced monk waiting for GLA to hit Sastasha boss or Tam-Tara boss... will rip hate off even without using Internal Release...

[Melkire]

Can confirm. A level synced monk waiting for GLA to hit Sastasha boss or Tam-Tara boss... will rip hate off even without using Internal Release...

 

There is nothing quite like taking a level-synced i115 monk into Sastasha Normal, Copperbell Normal, or Tam-Tara Normal and proceeding to ruin the tank's day.

 

Tip for new tanks: if you're leveling and you get synced with a stupidly over-geared monk, start playing spin-the-dragon with everything so that we're not guaranteed our from-behind crit on Bootshine. Granted, a good monk will still be able to get the positioning and timing down, but it'll improve your odds of holding onto the mobs longer.

[Kage]

Why would you do that ; ;

 

Aka yes I did spin around with the mobs, still got agro.

 

The worst part is when I do this because they don't use hate generating combos. Like, RIOT BLADE. >_<

[Melkire]

Why would you do that ; ;

 

Aka yes I did spin around with the mobs, still got agro.

 

The worst part is when I do this because they don't use hate generating combos. Like, RIOT BLADE. >_<

 

Now I'm confused, were you the monk or the tank? :dazed:

 

No fresh tank is going to be able to hold aggro versus a level-synced 50 who really, really wants to peel the mobs off the tank. Putting aside the fact that cross-class skills allow you to take offensive CDs at earlier levels than you should have them at, level-syncing doesn't quite address the issue of i50+ DPS having 2 to 3 more secondary stats on their gear than the new tank does.

 

If a level-synced DPS or a healer wants aggro, the only real recourse for the tank, sadly, is to let them have it.

 

 

 

P.S. Because I love tormenting my FC mates.

[Kage]

I'm the level 36 monk whose only buff is fist of earth. AND stacks...

 

And not hitting things until about three gcds after pull.

 

 

I won't rant about the mrd who face pulled after I mentioned that he could use tomahawk and then when every enemy is in front of him overpower. Instead he just keeps face pulling walking back a little and then dping single target. After trying to guide him several more times I realize why a dps left and couldn't stand 8th anymore when the only reason I stayed was because I mistakenly queued into low level instead of the guiLF hest and all three others were new so I wanted to help but... not at the cost of my admittedly somewhat low amount of patience.

 

 

Oops ranted.

[Kellach Woods]

I've personally had no problems keeping aggro unless I stop Flashing in between combos.

 

But then again my threat gen is stupid high from the fact that I always have top-notch gear due to crafting on-par gear at every level so yeh.

[Melkire]

Damage buff from Greased Lightning is underrated. Likely because it's not as noticeable or perceptible as, say, consistently large criticals from DRGs popping all their CDs together. Wait 'til you hit 40 and gain access to GLIII. But yeah, that sounds like a tank problem, not a level-sync issue, especially seeing as how the person in question was playing WAR.

 

When new and in doubt, spam Overpower 'til you run out of TP and either cry to the BRD/NIN for more or else cry because you realized too late that you have no BRD/NIN in the party.

 

 

Minor rant: Been playing Destiny since my computer gave out on me. The game amounts to little more than "shoot aliens 'til they die". F***ing boring. Missing XIV's PvE so much right now. RP even more so.

[Kellach Woods]

Berserk into Overpower will take care of most situations, Flash twice when debuff occurs, then Overpower more.

[Melkire]

If you're going for overkill, throw Infuriate->Unchained into the mix. :\

[Kellach Woods]

Those aren't really applicable since it's level 50 so not exactly levelling content. IIRC you get Berserk earlier.

[Kage]

It's easy to tank low levels even with level synced players. The issue is knowing the tanking limits you're under or just... plain knowing how to hold threat which is... something not all know about or care about (aka tanks who just decide they only need 1 and leave the others to deal with them).

 

Or you may have the very overzealous DPS. But honestly... I'm letting them get GCDs off! LOTS OF THEM T_T I just stand there awkwardly..

[Kellach Woods]

Y'know those lulls in the game that you don't feel like doing anything.

 

I got one of those last night. They're pretty boring.

[Soalean Monterey]

On the ranting about tanks/tanking

 

I got into a group for King Moggle Mog EX a week or two ago, and we had a Warrior tank. Group goes in, and we wipe before we get the first Moggle-Mog raise done. We ask the tank if he can provoke to do the tankswap.

 

 

Warrior Tank: "I don't have provoke."

 

I was so done.

[Kage]

Reading this

 

Re: Does a healer need Swiftcast?

 

So, I am the healer-mate he is talking about. The whole point here is that I want to spend my game time raising my ilvl gear and doing what I enjoy the most (i'm ilvl 113 and not yet even started t1 of coil of bahamut ). My tank mate would like for me to use my game time raising my THM level, a thing that I find quite boring even if its only a couple of hours and of a lower priority than enjoying poetics farming for better gear, and he used a generalized confirmation of the importance of swiftcast expressed by you redditors to motivate his reasons for me to go get swiftcast instead of raising my ilvl. I understand the swiftcast-is-important argument in general, but nonetheless I defend my right to spend my game time doing whatever I enjoy the most, and will continue to do so above the opinion of the whole of reddit if needed. Me, and only me, will choose the right time for me to go get swiftcast. I'm sure you are smart enough to get my point.

[Warren Castille]

Reading this

 

Re: Does a healer need Swiftcast?

 

So, I am the healer-mate he is talking about. The whole point here is that I want to spend my game time raising my ilvl gear and doing what I enjoy the most (i'm ilvl 113 and not yet even started t1 of coil of bahamut ). My tank mate would like for me to use my game time raising my THM level, a thing that I find quite boring even if its only a couple of hours and of a lower priority than enjoying poetics farming for better gear, and he used a generalized confirmation of the importance of swiftcast expressed by you redditors to motivate his reasons for me to go get swiftcast instead of raising my ilvl. I understand the swiftcast-is-important argument in general, but nonetheless I defend my right to spend my game time doing whatever I enjoy the most, and will continue to do so above the opinion of the whole of reddit if needed. Me, and only me, will choose the right time for me to go get swiftcast. I'm sure you are smart enough to get my point.

 

I'm flashing back to FFXI and the "It's my 12.95" defense when people had the wrong/unleveled/missing subjob.

 

His reasoning isn't incorrect - time is a precious commodity. However, when he's prioritizing HIS free time over three-to-twenty-three other people's free time, he's just being selfish. It's his 12.95, but he's wasting all of our 38.85, or our 297.85.

 

I could say a lot worse, so let me stop here.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

Reading this

 

Re: Does a healer need Swiftcast?

 

So, I am the healer-mate he is talking about. The whole point here is that I want to spend my game time raising my ilvl gear and doing what I enjoy the most (i'm ilvl 113 and not yet even started t1 of coil of bahamut ). My tank mate would like for me to use my game time raising my THM level, a thing that I find quite boring even if its only a couple of hours and of a lower priority than enjoying poetics farming for better gear, and he used a generalized confirmation of the importance of swiftcast expressed by you redditors to motivate his reasons for me to go get swiftcast instead of raising my ilvl. I understand the swiftcast-is-important argument in general, but nonetheless I defend my right to spend my game time doing whatever I enjoy the most, and will continue to do so above the opinion of the whole of reddit if needed. Me, and only me, will choose the right time for me to go get swiftcast. I'm sure you are smart enough to get my point.

 

 

I hope he never lets anyone die. Ever.

[Warren Castille]

I hope he never lets anyone die. Ever.

 

I hope he never expects a WAR to provoke something off of him. "Sorry, was too busy doing other stuff to level GLA. That's boring and not fun."

[Kage]

"Why are you taking so many crits? Don't you have Awareness?"

"Sorry I didn't want to level boring other class to get Awareness."

[Gegenji]

I will admit that having most of the "proper" cross-class skills help a lot. I had Gogon at 20 for basically all his combat classes within the two week trial - something I've mentioned often enough, I'm sure - and having access to all those abilities was really handy. Even just having Cure/Physick unlocked is a great way to reduce downtime when leveling a fresh combat class or help turn a death into a victory.

 

It also helped when I started getting the classes to 50 one by one. I got the casting classes topped first, with ACN being the one in front followed by WHM. May not sound like much, but I had Protect and Stoneskin available for EVERYONE, especially for when I leveled PLD. And as I move through the combat classes now, Blood for Blood and such have proven vital in making sure I feel like I'm not slacking on the DPS front, and I sorely missed all of that when leveling Chachan - not having Mercy Stroke along was annoying, and I just recently made the effort to pick it up.

 

On the other side of the coin, though, you really don't NEED them except in specific situations (i.e. Flash and Provoke). I got Chachan to PLD and NIN 50 without all the skills you "should" have. Heck, I don't even really need Stoneskin on PLD if I have a healer that has it covered. And the damage boosts for NIN I do have (i.e. just Internal Release), I often just completely forget about because I'm focused more on my rotation and mudras. Hasn't been a problem.

 

Swiftcast on a healer, however, is an oddball. It's really nice to have, but think of the situations it's used for mainly, besides summoning/buffing to avoid cast times - rezzing and panic heals. In other words, recovery. That's what you need Swiftcast for, when something goes wrong. If there isn't, then it most likely be left unused. Heck, more often than not I just use it to drop Shadow Nova as a SCH to add to the DPS... not entirely sure what a WHM would use it for when everything's going okay.

 

Thus, I see it as mainly a panic button at its worst and just a minor life improvement at best. Nice to have, but not nearly as vital as people seem to make it out to be if you have a good group. Emphasis on the good group. People who PUG regularly (like Gogon) will most likely want Swiftcast ASAP... or leave the dummies dead and hope they learn.

 

(Though, to be fair, I will probably still try and nab it at some point while leveling Chachan's CNJ for Stoneskin...)

[Sounsyy]

Re: Does a healer need Swiftcast?

 

I mean... more power to that healer for doing what she wants to do with her time. I can respect that. Just... she's gonna have one heck of a time actually putting her Item Level to use without the proper tools. I see she hasn't done Coil yet, so I guess doing the content level she's doing, she feels she doesn't need the skill... which I guess is true... but if she ever wants to do anything above dungeons... IDK.

 

Respect for spending your time as you want to spend it, but sometimes you gotta buckle down and do things that aren't your favorite in order to better your experiences with the things you do actually enjoy. (And everyone else's.)

 

Tanks need to get Provoke. They'll rarely use it, but when you do need it, there's no substitute. Healers get Swiftcast. Even if you rarely use it for Swiftcast-Raise, it can make for a great insta-cure/adlo that may save lives. Swiftcast-Stoneskin II...

[Warren Castille]

"Why are you taking so many crits? Don't you have Awareness?"

"Sorry I didn't want to level boring other class to get Awareness."

 

The "it's not fun" defense is such a stupid slippery slope.

 

"Why don't you pull with Shield Lob?" Oh, class quests were boring, I never bothered with them.

 

"Why are you a class and not a job?" Look, this is how I prefer to play, alright?!

 

"We can't even do roulette together?" The dungeons are boring so I only do Haukke HM. It's the most fun.

 

Ugh.

[Kage]

I know some new tanks who didn't know they should do class quests. One of them went into Toto-rak face pulling everything cause he didn't know there was Shield lob.

 

My first question, realizing that Shield lob was class quest award was "Hey do you have [shield Lob]?"

 

"No what's that?"

 

"Oh it's a an ability that you get from doing your class quests. It'll be really helpful for you when pulling cause you'll have more time to prep your agro and it will pull from a distance."

 

"Thanks! I'll do it next when we finish!"

 

 

Good times were had.

Not good times when people ignore you when you say "Oh if you haven't done it yet, that's ok. Could you [Flash]/[Overpower] more?" T_T

 

 

edit: even in the newer 4 man dungeons, I've run into groups that get wrecked by the first boss in keeper. I had one that insisted on never letting the small ones burst so they set off big chain reactions with the two that are almost forced on you. A death... Swiftcast would be nice. Or a SWIFT BIG HEAL WOULD TOO

[Sounsyy]

The "it's not fun" defense is such a stupid slippery slope.

 

In a similar vein... the people who choose not to do Coil because it's not fun for them but still feel entitled to Coil gear/Coil storyline cutscenes/spoilers. Ugh.

 

Note: No problem with people who can't do Coil because of RL restrictions. No problem with that at all. RL comes first. But people who have the time/item level, but are unwilling to do Coil because too lazy/not fun/don't want to deal with other people in an MMO.

[Gegenji]

edit: even in the newer 4 man dungeons, I've run into groups that get wrecked by the first boss in keeper. I had one that insisted on never letting the small ones burst so they set off big chain reactions with the two that are almost forced on  you. A death... Swiftcast would be nice. Or a SWIFT BIG HEAL WOULD TOO

 

Right, it's great for when something goes pear-shaped. But it in and of itself on your healer won't always save the day. It requires the folks you rezzed to stay alive and/or rez others (in the case of other healers/SMNs).

 

I had a Titan Trial roulette a couple days ago where I literally single-healed the whole thing. The other SCH dropped and would KEEP DYING every time I swiftcast-rez'd him. Meanwhile, three of the DPS were ALSO dead, leaving me with both tanks and a BLM. Granted, I got almost all the commendations at the end (5 out of 7, I believe)... but it wasn't Swiftcast that kept that from being a wipe.

 

It was me spamming Succor, Adlo, and Physick like a man possessed.

 

Note: No problem with people who can't do Coil because of RL restrictions. No problem with that at all. RL comes first. But people who have the time/item level, but are unwilling to do Coil because too lazy/not fun/don't want to deal with other people in an MMO.

 

 

I... I don't run Coil despite being i116 just because I'm still burned out on endgame raiding on WoW. I just want to do my roulettes and then dork around playing pretend with the other peoples. That's where my fun is.

[Kage]

Well if they keep letting themselves to avoidable damage I agree. But sometimes Titan's stomps will kill someone (Yes I've died to stomps because of poor healing as a PLD!!!1111) or things like the Main bomb in Keeper of the Lake.

 

Unavoidable high raid wide damage. Or those big cleaves and crit auto attacks. Swift cure IIs/medica II would be nice.