The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Enteris]

A quick list of bullshit things I saw during my Zeta completion:

 

Bards who open up on Garuda at max range and the people who bitch about placement.

 

Bards who open up on Shiva at max range and the people who bitch about placement.

 

Healers with 5.5k HP who don't try to curebomb to grab Garuda's adds.

 

Off-tanks who, seeing that healers aren't grabbing Garuda's adds, do not attempt to move them away so we stop being Wick3d Wh33l3d.

 

Healers who are so inclined to DPS that they let tanks die during Garuda.

 

Wiping to Gaurda fucking Hard Mode in two-thousand-god-damned-fifteen because muh heel deepz.

 

People who still expect Eruptions to get stunned.

 

Only seeing one card drop in 12 mahatma.

Good to know I'm not the only one experiencing these issues on Garuda. I've given up hope for the speed runs I grew used to when farming light and instead opt to always tank the adds, now. I'd rather spend the extra minute (if that) killing off the adds instead of wiping and having to redo the whole fight.

 

Also, general statement about people who claim they know the dungeons, but then die to avoidable mechanics (read: first boss in AK hard... go go face laser).

 

Edit to second this:

If your main tank is a shield oath paladin with nearly 9500 HP and he's still dying because you don't cure him, you're in the wrong. Flatly. I had a couple fights where my sword-oath-and-str-gear set was getting me killed, I hoped changing would fix it.

 

It did not.

[Kage]

When DPS is cooking, Garuda's already nearing sub-15% before sisters make it to the group. One healer spamming big cures to keep their attention for the remaining few seconds seems a better sale to me than risking tanks getting smoked because stone 2 exists.

 

If your main tank is a shield oath paladin with nearly 9500 HP and he's still dying because you don't cure him, you're in the wrong. Flatly. I had a couple fights where my sword-oath-and-str-gear set was getting me killed, I hoped changing would fix it.

 

It did not.

Most trials roulette groups do not hit that mark. At least the ones I've joined. In fact, some people do still hit the phases afterwards where you need to run around the arena AND I've still seen the phase where you need to be in the middle.

 

Tanks who have no situational awareness suck ass.

 

 

 

Those are shitty healers no question. But you aren't getting heals either if a healer is getting wicked wheel'd either. Most of the sisters's will interrupt my casts.

[Ha'uruh Nunh]

When DPS is cooking, Garuda's already nearing sub-15% before sisters make it to the group. One healer spamming big cures to keep their attention for the remaining few seconds seems a better sale to me than risking tanks getting smoked because stone 2 exists.

 

If your main tank is a shield oath paladin with nearly 9500 HP and he's still dying because you don't cure him, you're in the wrong. Flatly. I had a couple fights where my sword-oath-and-str-gear set was getting me killed, I hoped changing would fix it.

 

It did not.

Most trials roulette groups do not hit that mark. At least the ones I've joined. In fact, some people do still hit the phases afterwards where you need to run around the arena AND I've still seen the phase where you need to be in the middle.

 

Tanks who have no situational awareness suck ass.

 

 

 

Those are shitty healers no question. But you aren't getting heals either if a healer is getting wicked wheel'd either. Most of the sisters's will interrupt my casts.

 

 

He was specifically talking about Zeta farming - 6 of 8 or more Zodiac wielders farming usually Garuda, and the amount of Stone II we saw was pretty appalling. Nobody's impressed by Stone II spam damage, outside of Cleric's Stance, while DPS are pushing in the sisters phase. Those WHMs need to put their damage-peens away and heal.

[Kage]

I know, because a lot of Zeta farmers still run into Trials roulette and can't tell upside from down because a few people are underleveled and hence not meeting a decent percentage on Garuda.

 

The amount of awareness people have for the people in their party is very low.

[Tyndles]

When doing my trial roulette the last 3 days, we've gotten the "first time" bonus, and two of those days the tank was complaining about the lack of dps. 

 

No shit there's not much dps, 2 of them have less than 4000 HP, so we need to do it a little differently.

 

People are jerky.

[Warren Castille]

I know, because a lot of Zeta farmers still run into Trials roulette and can't tell upside from down because a few people are underleveled and hence not meeting a decent percentage on Garuda.

 

The amount of awareness people have for the people in their party is very low.

 

We're discussing apples and oranges here. Trial roulette is trial roulette. People spamming a lights fight for maximum efficiency I'm going to hold to a higher standard. If you're i120+ you had better know what you're doing. Naturally that all goes out the window when there's truly random people joining.

[Kage]

If you think that Light/Mahatama/whathaveyou farmers are not spamming the duty finder and ending up with roulettes, you've been out of it. I've met many, many of them doing it and doing it poorly in duty finder. People get tired of waiting on people to fill their PFs and just hit duty finder. I've met the same group several times in one day because I get bored and hit Trials Roulette. People running for their Zodiac weapon or in i120+ now don't mean squat when all they have to do is grind it out.

 

A bard with Yoichi Bow may still tell people that there's a fucking 50% dps loss for playing Foe Requiem. And be serious about it.

 

Honestly? The fact is that the main thing for Zodiac that you need is patience, luck and more patience to grind it out. Skill isn't necessary for it. Nor are the Rowena token items or the carboncoat/twine -now-.

[Gegenji]

I swear. I got out of the WORST Keeper run. I'm pretty sure I tanked almost as much as I healed.

 

Tank would continually run ahead, Dragoon would stand in AoE, SMN was lagging. I was the only one LEFT STANDING on the second boss, and managed to pull a recovery that kept a wipe from happening. Spamming heals until I was dry on the last boss because all three would stand in everything.

 

... And I get ONE commendation out of it. ONE.

 

You're welcome for me carrying your terrible asses all the way through the instance. Jerkoffs.

[Ha'uruh Nunh]

If you think that Light/Mahatama/whathaveyou farmers are not spamming the duty finder and ending up with roulettes, you've been out of it. I've met many, many of them doing it and doing it poorly in duty finder. People get tired of waiting on people to fill their PFs and just hit duty finder. I've met the same group several times in one day because I get bored and hit Trials Roulette. People running for their Zodiac weapon or in i120+ now don't mean squat when all they have to do is grind it out.

 

A bard with Yoichi Bow may still tell people that there's a fucking 50% dps loss for playing Foe Requiem. And be serious about it.

 

Honestly? The fact is that the main thing for Zodiac that you need is patience, luck and more patience to grind it out. Skill isn't necessary for it. Nor are the Rowena token items or the carboncoat/twine -now-.

 

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I just finished my Zeta the other day, in roulette, and I can assure you I am not "out of it".

 

I also didn't assert you needed skill for a Zodiac, but my personal expectations from someone who has logged that many hours into the game is to not suck at 2.0 encounters. Perhaps that is hopelessly elitist of me.

[Warren Castille]

If you think that Light/Mahatama/whathaveyou farmers are not spamming the duty finder and ending up with roulettes, you've been out of it. I've met many, many of them doing it and doing it poorly in duty finder. People get tired of waiting on people to fill their PFs and just hit duty finder. I've met the same group several times in one day because I get bored and hit Trials Roulette. People running for their Zodiac weapon or in i120+ now don't mean squat when all they have to do is grind it out.

 

A bard with Yoichi Bow may still tell people that there's a fucking 50% dps loss for playing Foe Requiem. And be serious about it.

 

Honestly? The fact is that the main thing for Zodiac that you need is patience, luck and more patience to grind it out. Skill isn't necessary for it. Nor are the Rowena token items or the carboncoat/twine -now-.

 

Agreed, but I reserve the right as someone who thinks he knows what the fuck to verbally eviscerate those who are at a certain "level" and don't actually know what the fuck.

 

Tank entitlement. It's in the TOS, look it up. Section 13, passage 37.

[Kage]

I had a PLD with novus yesterday for WPHM pull multiple mobs. I decided to BLM for the longer queue time to give me time to eat ; Anyway, he sees he has a whm, blm, and drg. So yay multiple groups go!

 

And can't keep hate. Off me. Never using any dps buffs and using quelling strikes on CD. What happens? Tank loses hate to mere Fire IIs and definitely most hate on Flare. I stopped using Flare on the first 2 pulls. He definitely loses hate if I single target. Instead of doing the reasonable thing and pulling less so he ensures that he doesn't pull agro... he keeps pulling multiple groups and keeps getting me killed.  /sigh

Also, a drg that never gets the damage up buff and doesn't help killing adds and does piss poor damage otherwise while at it.

 

WHM got my commendation that day.

 

 

My point was really: Some Zeta farming DPS suck and when they suck some Zeta farming tanks don't have the situational awareness to see that they should be taking hate off the healers because otherwise some shit ain't being healed. Healers not healing period is another point all together and wasn't the one I was really addressing as I've acknowledged that there are shitty healers and they're being shitty.

 

We get these types in the Zeta farms/trial spams and they're most likely the same people going "Lol this be CT1" when they keep trying to get themselves and everyone else killed.

Edit: I should say yes they are because the two tanks in my last LotA run were in all poetics gear with a zodiac weapon. And that was the exact attitude they exhibited.

[Warren Castille]

Not sure if subtle jab at my situational awareness or not. Erring on the side of no because I don't suspect you'd come at my neck like that.

[Kage]

Not sure if subtle jab at my situational awareness or not. Erring on the side of no because I don't suspect you'd come at my neck like that.

Nope not at you. Just a very large amount of the tanks I see.

[Warren Castille]

Tanks that accuse me of using "provoke every 30 seconds" because I keep taking hate off of them immediately get my hackles up.

 

Maybe you're just not as leet as you though, chief. Please tell the i125 zeta paladin he needs to provoke to pull threat off of your noct-wearing ass. Spoilers: Wearing a mix of allagan and gloam accessories won't make your threat spike.

 

:bomb:

[Khoure]

When you don't want to go after those optional adds but one dps is so insistent that they actually pull the mob so you have to rescue their ass. When it comes to optional mobs, I always assume the tank gets priority decision on whether or not to take them, unless they are majority outvoted on something.

 

Alternatively, when someone who is not the tank decides it would be a fantastic idea to pull the boss. I'm looking at you, Toto-rak. Don't know why, but that dungeon specifically seems the worst for me when it comes to bad party members.

[Sounsyy]

Tanks that accuse me of using "provoke every 30 seconds" because I keep taking hate off of them immediately get my hackles up.

 

This is always my favorite. When in ST I get a lot "Cute voke prick" and then I just pop my Provoke afterwards... like, really I'm an i126 dps WAR with 620 STR. Your noct accessory ass is cute.

[Kellach Woods]

the epeen in this thread too stronk. I was about to complain about dumbasses that have cleared FCoB still falling for shitty WoD mechanics and bitchin' about classes the don't play but guess I'm not leet enough for this thread anymore because I don't have a Zeta and I'm still on regular lights.

 

In short, fuck everyone, fuck this server, fuck this game, fuck everything.

 

Honestly starting to think some of you are instigating whenever you run content.

[Warren Castille]

the epeen in this thread too stronk. I was about to complain about dumbasses that have cleared FCoB still falling for shitty WoD mechanics and bitchin' about classes the don't play but guess I'm not leet enough for this thread anymore because I don't have a Zeta and I'm still on regular lights.

 

In short, fuck everyone, fuck this server, fuck this game, fuck everything.

 

Honestly starting to think some of you are instigating whenever you run content.

 

...the whole point of the thread is to post things that frustrate you when doing content with PUGs. Your gear has nothing to do with it, unless you're accusing someone better geared than you of needing provoke to tank because you're too leet.

 

Seriously, get over yourself. It's a grousing place.

[Kellach Woods]

Sorry, it was just piling onto the frustration from my last WoD run. This guy I'm complaining about WASN'T actually a pug, but rather someone who joined from a new addition to the FC I'm currently with who was just incredibly annoying. I figure I'd just gear check them and they were essentially the kind of people who should know better than to die to fucking Mortal Gaze, but sadly, do not.

 

Oh, and ranting about the tanks not taking Cloud of Darkness aggro when you facepulled... ugh.

 

Consolation prize? Newborn Star and the Puff of Darkness. I don't even know why I do WoD at all these days - my gear is on par with what drops in there for tanks, and I've not seen a monk piece drop ever. I'd greed caster gear but that'd waste the roll considering casters are easily found in there.

[Warren Castille]

We can add WoD drops to the list on the whole, really. Too many pieces, too few bosses. It's not fun. Not to mention that the bosses, while not hard, still take a while to whittle down.

 

Semi-related, I've had a terrible headache for hours and it's making me more grumpy than usual.

[Kellach Woods]

Alternately I could get off my ass and level these classes so I can just greed whatevs and it's still an upgrade.

[Gegenji]

Alternately I could get off my ass and level these classes so I can just greed whatevs and it's still an upgrade.

 

That's what I do on Gogon and it's surprisingly relaxing. Greed on everything, clear instance. If I get something, cool, if I don't, eh. He has everything from it that he needs for his main SCH class, so I'm basically just doing the runs for the weekly. Compare that to Chachan, where I spend those several days doing three or four runs a day for the tanking chest... or last week where the only NIN piece that seemed to want to drop were the gloves I already had.

 

It's all really frustrating, and doubly so when it takes longer due to idiots, trolls, or people who we have to constantly replace because they bail the moment the piece they wanted didn't drop.

[Kellach Woods]

Why do you want the tanking chest. You can get the i130 one easy peasy now.

[Gegenji]

This was before the last update. And it actually has better itemization with its secondary stats. I shouldn't really CARE but... I try to avoid Parry.

[Kage]

The WoD tank chest piece is also a nice looking chest piece if you're not interested in the magitek-y aesthetic.

 

My friends and I were bored after my raid and during CT we became the troll alliance. I'm sorry newbie. Someone decided to pull Bone Dragon to the South so our tank MT'd. DPS wailed on him so hard that I was the only one sorta doing platinals and we had I think all platinals destroy most of the other alliances. I have 6.2k hp and popped manaward. I had <200 hp left. Do platinals. Had our MT take a bunch of the eyes while he was at it. Killed Bone Dragon no wipes.

 

We didn't pull Atomos and of course C was not ready. So Iron Giant. I miss Return. Really.

 

What's his name with the pots? We're A so we start the fight and burst everything to get him down to 30% and switch because we knew we couldn't kill him with 4 sec on ghost ; ; But apparently no one who WAS NOT GHOSTED wanted to deal with adds. We finally vote kick the afk WAR who I think DC'd or just decided to leave.

 

Vassabros? our Whm decides to take laps once someone face pulls so tanks weren't ready to grab. All goes well until 2 alliances don't take their napalms and a shitton of damage goes out. SCH friend in voice chat: "OMFG WHAT HAPPENED WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME" Our whm died cause he was too far away in his 2.5 laps.

 

Behemoth: At the end our whm and a couple of our melee died to behemoth's meteor trying to kill him before they landed. They didn't succeed :^D Voice chat: People are so going "fucking A cause you motherfuckers dead"

 

Phlegethon: C facepulls him again so that his fucking green aoe cone takes up most of the goddamned circle. Our MT takes him to the middle where he belongs. Replacement tank pops right before walls go up and he'll gets free clear and 7 comms. First claw goes up and no one wants to save me. They do it WHEN THEY COME BACK DURING ANCIENT FLARE. I blow up. "I fucking hate you all." I get rezzed and we zerg him to victory afterwards.

 

Someone on C who had been posting in alliance chat random stuff that I wasn't paying attention to gets the achievement for clearing.

 

I shoulda laladrg'd. We were fucking shitters. ...but at least when you fuck around make sure you finish. >.>; We were the bads last night. And I hadn't even had a margarita D: