FreelanceWizard Posted February 13, 2015 Share #1 Posted February 13, 2015 All threads that advertise the sale of art for gil are forbidden due to a policy statement by a lead GM. You can view the details here. This is important enough that I'm making a new thread in Headlines to call everyone's attention to it. Feel free to discuss on this thread (and to express shock and dismay -- I'm quite shocked and dismayed myself ). Link to comment
Kellach Woods Posted February 13, 2015 Share #2 Posted February 13, 2015 I'm KIND of surprised they'd interpret that stance as such but it does add up. Kinda sucks because I know I might complain about how poor I am in game but it doesn't match my poverty status IRL. I don't have a challenge log IRL to give me that kind of pocket change. Link to comment
Edda Posted February 13, 2015 Share #3 Posted February 13, 2015 Could always come up with an RPer exclusive codeword that means: "Send me a PM for gil prices" buuuuut then again I am a nasty rebel that actively enjoys killing bots despite all of SE's warnings. :angel: 1 Link to comment
Faye Posted February 13, 2015 Share #4 Posted February 13, 2015 It's always been against the ToS. I guess they just started taking it more seriously. =/ All the casino stuff in Mor Dhona and in-game raffles are considered "RMT," as well, just as a heads up. Link to comment
Zoetrooper Posted February 13, 2015 Share #5 Posted February 13, 2015 It honestly doesn't surprise me all that much. SE has some pretty strict policies as is. When the weddings went live people were trying to sell the platinum bands for gil. While it was technically an in game item for in game items it was also considered RMT, and was frowned up by SE. In a way I can see art being in the same vein. Kinda sad, because I wanted to make some gil with my art. Guess I'll have to do it the good ol' fashioned way! Link to comment
Perth Posted February 13, 2015 Share #6 Posted February 13, 2015 That's so weird... but then again, SE has already made a name for itself as being incredibly unorthodox with its online games... Jeeze. It's not like they're losing profit or like trading for art is shiesty. Link to comment
Antain Posted February 13, 2015 Share #7 Posted February 13, 2015 They're really splitting hairs with this one. However, whenever I try to defend "selling" art for gil, the only thing I can come up with that makes an iota of sense is "If it's a craft, is trading in-game money for in-game items that someone spent time farming considered along the same line?" What artists offer is spending time to create something for an in-game purpose based on what the person buying it wants. I know this is a thin line, but it boils down to the same thing. Some of us can't do the traditional means of earning gil, but can produce it through another means and craft. I don't know, just an opinion. The gil options have been removed from my art thread in any case. Link to comment
Aya Posted February 13, 2015 Share #8 Posted February 13, 2015 Wow. That's all I can say. Wow. This is absolutely horrible, and stupid. Its honestly not often that I use such adjectives to describe policy decisions, but... I really can't think of any good reason for this. Its ridiculousness on stilts. I respect the Official RPC stance on the matter... I wish it were otherwise, but I can understand not wanting to flaunt what has been labelled as official rule breaking. Are they going to come after me for accepting RP tips now too? Shall we start a barter market for art? That's not gil! 1 Link to comment
Cliodhna Eoghan Posted February 13, 2015 Share #9 Posted February 13, 2015 buummmer, i was really wanting to order more couple art and i'd much rather use gil than cash. >n< then again....there's nothing against trading skills is there? perhaps i can convince some people to draw my stuff if i draw for them o3o Link to comment
chaoticsleepy Posted February 13, 2015 Share #10 Posted February 13, 2015 Really don't know what SE stands to gain or prove by this sudden "clarification" of policy. And if it was really that big of a deal to them, why it took this long for it to be made into an issue. My mind = blown. Link to comment
Edda Posted February 13, 2015 Share #11 Posted February 13, 2015 Shall we start a barter market for art? That's not gil! Holy shit that is an excellent idea. Headshot: .5 Riviera Canopy Beds Bust: 1 Riviera Canopy Beds Full Body: 1.75 Riviera Canopy Beds Color Options: 10-20 HQ Sachertortes depending on MB fluctuations etc etc etc SE will never know! 1 Link to comment
Zaheela Posted February 13, 2015 Share #13 Posted February 13, 2015 From a legal point of view, I can see why they would need to do this, to address this, and why it could possibly be a legal loophole if they did something like sue a RMT company of sort. But it still sucks. Link to comment
Aduu Avagnar Posted February 13, 2015 Share #14 Posted February 13, 2015 The issue looking at the in game crafting over the art, is that you are spending time in the game, making stuff in the game, traded for gil in the game. That is all an integral part of the in game gil market as it stands. Creating art is not. and it was probably clarified if someone asked for art for gil on the official forums. Link to comment
Hyakki Posted February 13, 2015 Share #15 Posted February 13, 2015 Shall we start a barter market for art? That's not gil! Holy shit that is an excellent idea. Headshot: .5 Riviera Canopy Beds Bust: 1 Riviera Canopy Beds Full Body: 1.75 Riviera Canopy Beds Color Options: 10-20 HQ Sachertortes depending on MB fluctuations etc etc etc SE will never know! Art for "Allagan currency" it has a static conversion and counts as an item, not currency. Link to comment
Kage Posted February 13, 2015 Share #16 Posted February 13, 2015 It's always been against the ToS. I guess they just started taking it more seriously. =/ All the casino stuff in Mor Dhona and in-game raffles are considered "RMT," as well, just as a heads up. Incorrect about Casinos. They are allowed. A mod posted about this on the official forums. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/214616-random-and-the-impending-influx-of-player-run-casinos.?p=2713021#post2713021 "As for casinos, they are treated like trade agreements. This means that you should ensure clear rules are agreed upon in the game before engaging in this type of agreement, since the GMs can only enforce the terms of the agreement that was made in the game. So long as the agreement is upheld, the GMs should not need to get involved. If you do not feel that the agreement is upheld, you should report that to a GM for investigation for Fraud." If you have set rules and you -follow- the rules and don't commit fraud you are ok. Link to comment
Aya Posted February 13, 2015 Share #17 Posted February 13, 2015 I'm sure its against the ToS technically, but until they can manage to stop the botters, the gold-selling spammers, and actually open up our RP servers to new characters, I'd rather they just leave our artists well enough alone. And sorry.. I just really don't like seeing fun and creative stuff shut down for really unnecessary reasons. 1 Link to comment
BroodingFicus Posted February 13, 2015 Share #18 Posted February 13, 2015 My thoughts exactly. Back when housing was first coming out, the only way my FC could dare afford it was for me to sell art. No one was hurt by it and everyone left happy. If you can't stop a bunch of people exploiting your game to make quick gil/keep people from selling ill begotten gil to the masses, why suddenly go after the people who are doing something relatively harmless? Especially when, lets face it, someone wants to sell their art they can go side step this whole bogus ruling and just offer 'commissions' and be contacted privately for details. Just seems pointless. Or perhaps it just bothers me that they seem to have told people it was fine, read a bunch of speculation posts asking for clarification and /then/ decided 'hey you know...that sounds legit, lets go with that'. Not bitter. No. No shade. [align=center]Xl0VXczqVtc [/align] 1 Link to comment
Kellach Woods Posted February 13, 2015 Share #19 Posted February 13, 2015 I'm sure its against the ToS technically, but until they can manage to stop the botters, the gold-selling spammers, and actually open up our RP servers to new characters, I'd rather they just leave our artists well enough alone. Likely they won't act unless someone reports, much like in those situations. That being said, it's still against the ToS and it's a bad look to openly advertise it now Link to comment
Aldotsk Posted February 13, 2015 Share #20 Posted February 13, 2015 It's always been against the ToS. I guess they just started taking it more seriously. =/ All the casino stuff in Mor Dhona and in-game raffles are considered "RMT," as well, just as a heads up. I really hope those people who keep spamming the /random roll to bid on gil would be punished because they are really getting worse by filling up those chats. Also I do feel sorry for those who can't afford IRL money and has to pay Gil for commission for many personal reasons, and it's not easy really. Commissions irl money for some people who are offering commissions happened to charge $80-$100 irl money but for Gil they were only charging 400k-500k Link to comment
Blue Posted February 13, 2015 Share #21 Posted February 13, 2015 Well, there goes the hope to have some fanarts for RL-poor people like me. There goes SE favoring the rich kids again, much like with the bands selling. /slowclap Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 13, 2015 Share #22 Posted February 13, 2015 As a law-abiding citizen of Eorzea, I understand why SE is doing what it's doing. On the other hand, as Edgar stated, fuck the police. I'm imagining daring night time raids on art threads, hush-hush back door dealings, the innocent exchange of gil as a gift and secretive missives hidden away in the mail. You usually won't catch me endorsing breaking TOS, but I fully recommend people to find alternative routes to continue doing what they were doing. It's clear no one here is abusing MSpaint stick figures for big bucks, and this is one of the cases where I can say I fully believe the rules to be wrong. I encourage everyone with an art thread to simply ask for payment discussion to be taken to PM. 1 Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 13, 2015 Share #23 Posted February 13, 2015 The no gil for art thing is stupid. Stupid but understandable. But how is casinos and raffles "RMT?" I hate them as much as the next person but SE may need a refresher on what RMT stands for. My old GW2 guild used to have IC hide and seek tournaments with huge gold pools, would that be considered RMT too? Why stomp down on stupid fun? How dare we as as players extend the life of your game for you! Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 13, 2015 Share #24 Posted February 13, 2015 The no gil for art thing is stupid. Stupid but understandable. But how is casinos and raffles "RMT?" I hate them as much as the next person but SE may need a refresher on what RMT stands for. My old GW2 guild used to have IC hide and seek tournaments with huge gold pools, would that be considered RMT too? Why stomp down on stupid fun? How dare we as as players extend the life of your game for you! To clarify: SE is against the explicit trade of in-game earned things for real-world items. The casino mini-game is just /random and betting, which doesn't impact the real world. The hide-and-seek tournaments are similar. SE got their first grey area over this with the Bond bracelets but they figured it wasn't a big enough deal to do anything about. Link to comment
Stormwind Posted February 13, 2015 Share #25 Posted February 13, 2015 Fuck the police. Truer words for this situation could not be more eloquently put. Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now