Val

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Val kills when necessary. He finds it to be a permanent solution to someone causing him or people he cares harm. I'd say, out of all of my characters, he's more open to the idea of death than others. He grew up in a harsh environment and was taught to kill to survive. It's just a part of who he is, and he doesn't seem to understand the stigma around doing so. Vincent, on the other hand, kills to survive and because it's part of his job, but he doesn't necessarily appreciate it. Melfice will mourn the death of anyone he feels has some sort of true "talent,' but will see anyone else as expendable. Cyrus hates it the most and outright refuses. ..Or he used to, at least. Now he's beginning to believe it to be a necessity of defense.

WILL VAL AND TOGY FINALLY GET TO MEET!?!?

It was more along the lines of me saying something like "Hey, in Miqo'te culture, tribes and clans are different. Seekers have tribes/are tribal, while Keepers form clans." The immediate response was "Clans and tribes are the same. Clan is just another word for tribe." I tried to inform them that, yes, the language for them is interchangeable but it's different in XIV and they just got very, very snippy lol then posted a passive-aggressive tumblr rant about how awful people are trying to correct their RP, which everyone immediately jumped up and started patting them on the back There's a reason I rarely go to tumblr. The culture there is ass.

Some people just aren't receptive. Or maybe they're so used to being picked on that they think anyone offering advice is trying to do the same? A lot of intent/feeling/emotion is lost in text, after all. That's really the only excuse I had, other than the idea that someone is just a genuine ass.

You'd be really, really surprised how awful some of the tumblr RP community is. I'd say they're only positive about things they find entertaining/interesting themselves. The moment you show an opposed opinion, they jump all over you. As for the rest of the post, yeah. That's probably right tbh. In the end, people will do what they want and it doesn't really matter. As I said earlier, I don't personally approve of some of the things, but I'm not going to message someone and tell them they're wrong. The only time I've ever tried to do that, a person was RPing a Miqo'te and kept swapping the word for "tribe" and "clan." I felt the need to educate them that they aren't the same in XIV. They told me I was bullying and harassing them, to which I was honestly stunned at first, but after some thought realized that seemed par for the course. Though, that's a bit wrong of me. There are those wonderful people that are certainly open to constructive criticism, or new ideas, and they are a godsend to the community as a whole.

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree with this. No characters should ever fight alongside/interact with the Warrior of Light, shoulder-to-shoulder or not. You could make a character that is powerful enough to stand toe to toe with a primal solo. But why would you? Not only does that not sound remotely entertaining, but it's kind of taking a crap on all the other RPers in the world around you. I feel like it's kind of a respect thing. It's also the same reason (primarily for me, at least) that I abhor seeing people RP NPC characters in the middle of the city. No one can, or should, be able to stop them because they're powerful PC-RPed NPCs. If people want to RP them, do so privately. It's disrespectful to take them publicly. I did specify that in scenarios like at Steps where there were more than just eight people fighting against the oncoming horde. Mercenary companies typically include people of all sorts of strength levels and capabilities. That's all well and good, but my response was about the idea of being on the same power level as the Warrior of Light. If people wanna be at mass events, by all means. Just don't say your character saved the WoL or that you became his best friend or some other crap.

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree with this. No characters should ever fight alongside/interact with the Warrior of Light, shoulder-to-shoulder or not. You could make a character that is powerful enough to stand toe to toe with a primal solo. But why would you? Not only does that not sound remotely entertaining, but it's kind of taking a crap on all the other RPers in the world around you. I feel like it's kind of a respect thing. It's also the same reason (primarily for me, at least) that I abhor seeing people RP NPC characters in the middle of the city. No one can, or should, be able to stop them because they're powerful PC-RPed NPCs. If people want to RP them, do so privately. It's disrespectful to take them publicly.

Comment by a dev: "So yes, the Midlander male, Miqo’te female, Roegadyn male, Elezen female, and Lalafell female in the recent trailers are in fact the same ones that appeared in the 1.0 trailer! (Yes, the black mage is the Elezen female from the morbol party, not the snooty male from the Midlander’s party. The robe & hat conceal some of her more distinguishing features, and we all know there was no bust size adjustment feature back in 1.0). But that still leaves one question—was the party an actual party, or were they merely symbols meant to represent you, the players? Well, you can breathe easy knowing they are both. They all ventured into Eorzea at the same time as you did. They all did similar quests, and lived through similar adventures. They exist as your characters exist (in a virtual world-sort of existence). The fact that you haven’t come across them is probably the same reason you haven’t come across my character, Amanda Hugginkyss (or maybe you have? /wink). They’re just somewhere else. Though, maybe you’ll stumble across their party in the future. Or maybe you won’t. How’s that for committing to an answer?" Though I can't find the original source, this basically says Derplander and pals exist like our characters do, we just haven't seen them until recently in 3.1, confirming our WoL isn't Derplander. Reading this just sounds like their usual dodgy answers for lore and at the same time saying none of them exist in your game because your character is taking their place. Otherwise, it's just a cutscene for a game. There doesn't have to be a story behind it.

I can definitely agree with most of what was said. What I can't agree with, and honestly just won't pay attention to, is agreeing with lore from a company that is determined to come up with dumb, in-game reasons as to why they have particular game mechanics. There's a whole plethora of examples with this in many FF games to date, and I've echoed this sentiment a million times over, but it's just something they do. I will never acknowledge that someone fought alongside Lightning in a FATE or that she was ever even there to begin with. Some of the smaller FATEs? Sure, those at least make sense. But some others, like the Lightning one? Naaaah. That just opens the flood gates for people to be time travelers/dimension hoppers themselves, and no thank you.

Pretty much this. FATEs are nothing more than an extension of game mechanics with SE's signature "this is why this works" design implemented into it. Again, I'm not going to say don't follow it if that's where you get your lore from, but I can't say I agree with it either. In pretty much every community I've ever RPed in, sans this one, game events/mechanics/characters/whatever were pretty taboo to touch (on a personal level, at least). It's just something that I've come to be used to over time! I feel like the whole FATE thing falls within the purview of "could, but should?" Mostly because it would mean that Lightning events were real aside from a shitty attempt to promote their awful games.

The FATEs where you're stopping beast tribes from grabbing crystals or putting down people who've been tempered/drowned/etc. While in my (PERSONAL) canon of the world primals aren't summoned every other day, they do happen more we see (I'm thinking once every couple months myself - and the EX versions at that!). Also it's mentioned (somewhere, sorry don't have the quote) that it's the job of some soldiers (in the Flames I believe?) to put down those who've been tempered. So you can assume from there that it's happening at least enough to dedicate some of the already thinly stretched resources specifically to that. So if the super powered primals are summoned stronger than they were before, why isn't the Warrior of Light doubling back to take them out since apparently he was the "only one" that could do it before? I openly admit it's nitpicky, but these are the type of inconsistencies that kind of turn me off of claiming to beat them. You have tons of RPers, and I know at least ten+ that are saying they personally fought them on their own (at the Warrior of Light's side/whatever). With game mechanics being game mechanics and EX primals clearly made for that purpose, with SE's crappy "Oh btw this is the reason why this happens" one-line excuses, it makes it a little dodgy to me =) I'd get behind someone working with the Grand Companies to stop the tempering more than anything, myself. And really, again, I'm not trying to tell people what they can and can't RP. If someone ever mentions it to Val, he just shrugs it off with, "Nah too much work, don't care," and I let them do their thing.

You say that jokingly, but the game suggests that they're being summoned quite a bit -- all part of the Ascian plan, you see. That's a discussion for another thread, though. The WoL is every character and no character. We see the WoL as our character in the cutscenes and the other NPCs do as well; Which is why I brought up the Primal stuff to begin with. Do we see anyone else taking them out fine? With just eight people? "My character did it in the game" isn't really a valid excuse as your character, for all intents and purposes, is the warrior of light--a level that shouldn't be reachable by actual RP characters. As for Primals being summoned constantly, sure. I can see in the game where multiple primals are being summoned, but is there anything directly saying that Ifrit is constantly being summoned over and over again to justify all the people that claim to have beaten Ifrit in their back story? Kind of like how I knew a guy in WoW that claimed to kill Onyxia by himself because his game character could.

To be fair, having a one night stand with Thancred isn't very exclusive based on how they show him in 2.0 That's about as exclusive at being at the steps of faith, or the battle of Cartenau. He gets around. Wasn't Thancred

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people can do, but should they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you? Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them. I personally do not like the word "should" being used in this context, to be honest. Feels like we're assigning strict rules to how one should RP, when in reality, it is not like that. People can make their characters shooting elixir fields left and right, people can make their characters pull a limit break out of their asses. It is -your- job to accept it or not. Like it is their job to simply accept that you don't conform to their RP. Your freedom ends where others begins. One crowd may have laughed at someone using an IC limit break. Another crowd would perhaps accept it. Whose of the two are more correct? Personally, I would say the ones who accepted it, because at least they didn't make a mockery of the individual. Of course, as I stated in the previous post, one should be sensible when pulling things like that, of preference within a group they know and trust. So they should, in case they want? Yes. What they can't is expect everyone to accept it. Did you ever have that friend who just made up lies and bullshit? His dad worked at Nintendo so he already had Pokemon Purple, and he had a PS2 when they got announced but it was at his uncle's house so you couldn't play it, but man, it's awesome? Nobody likes that friend. Even as an adult, when someone's constantly talking about the crazy party they totally went to or all the hot people they definitely slept with, and no, they're not on Facebook and I didn't take pictures or anything, but trust me, it totally was real and not at all made up, that shit gets annoying. People who are confusing famous identities for interesting characters are, for a lot of people, the RP equivalent to that person. "I'm besties with Raubahn, and I have my own army of police to protect me." "Should" is the watchword, and it isn't trying to enforce hard world rules on anyone: It's just prudence so we don't get bitch threads about why no one wants to RP with their quadrupal-souled older brother to Merlwyb who is a secret because they're also a werewolf/vampire/angel hybrid. No one ever said "don't do this" but a lot of people are aware how that thing usually goes over. Pretty much exactly what Warren said. I don't want to police anyone, to each their own. But there's only so many times I can hear about so-and-so having drinks with Merlwyb while also hanging out with others while everyone else is claiming to be dating X NPC. Do you know how many people RP themselves dating popular NPCs? They don't generally go around the public RP community because I think a part of them realizes it wouldn't be accepted and wouldn't happen. I know one NPC in particular that I've seen no less than six girls claiming to simultaneously date him. IC. Val would be jealous. And it's because of that that people need to keep in mind when trying to claim these popular things. Ultimately, somewhere, the world is going to break by people putting themselves in the place of/involved with/around popular NPCs. Stories are going to conflict. How many people are claiming to have killed primals in their backstories? Separately? Those things must be summoned on a daily basis.

tbh, Val would probably just ask who the hell Thancred is and laugh at them. "If yer his woman, why ain' I ever see ya together?" Prove it 8-) You know that was so well put I can't even say anything in defense Lmfao. "...he's in Canada! You don't see him 'cause he's in Canada!" Good ol' coerthas boyfriend. Hmhm. "So yer datin' some guy what ya can't see an' he's all up in th'cold snugglin' some other lady fer warmth?"

tbh, Val would probably just ask who the hell Thancred is and laugh at them. "If yer his woman, why ain' I ever see ya together?" Prove it 8-)

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people can do, but should they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you? Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them.

It's an example of the folks residing at the extreme ends of the opinions being the loudest parts. Having GC leaders or powerful allies on speed-dial or on a first-name basis can potentially derail roleplay unnecessarily. Show of hands, how many people have ever had someone threaten them with NPC Brass Blades / law enforcement / personal GC NPCs / my dad works at Raubahn so you have to listen to me? Probably not a lot, but we've all heard the stories of the person declaring themselves important and using it in the middle of a scene, or of floods of invisible guards suddenly stopping tension. There's a lot of people -not- doing just this, but the few who do tend to ruin it for everyone else. I know someone that actively RPs their character as best friends with Merlwyb. As in, they got hurt and Merlwyb was pushing them around Limsa in a wheelchair.

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Kind of in the same boat here, really. It's generally rule of thumb to not be involved with any major NPCs even remotely. You can do it, but most people probably wouldn't really care to acknowledge it or get involved. As Warren said earlier, it would imply your character has some sort of special power/ability/is strong/special enough to be recognized by them rather than just being a citizen of the world. It goes along with fighting primals (although in XIV that's actually a thing), claiming to have killed the Garlean leader, being important enough for the Garlean leader to order your capture, owning Frostmourne, being Sylvanas' long-lost sister/best friend, or hanging out with Kirito. Yeah, I've seen all of these.

See, and Marcellain is an etrepreneur at heart. He's somehow got strong-armed into using Orchestrions to start producing an indie label. Please look forward to it. Radio porn

LET'S GET THIS QUOTE TRAIN STARTED CHOO-CHOO. All right, so we already have canon artists (and I ain't even talking PCs here - there's the Homunculi, Pierryvain the composer, etc. etc.) and some that go to the extremes (Pierryvain is in the Sea of Clouds for inspiration) to get inspired. And that's not counting the canonicity of the Wandering Minstrel (I'd put all Primal tracks composed by him in canon if we're going that route). So I'd say they would at least have composers that could make rolls. I'd extrapolate that Crystal Tower yielding certain tracks would be long lost allagan tomestones of music but yeah. CHUGGACHUGGAWOOOWOOOOO The Songbirds are also apparently taking Eorzea by storm.

ESB Integration Technician. Val wouldn't be able to turn the computer on, much less open the laptop. He'd also probably be sacked for sexual harassment on the first day.

1.) Orchestrion 2.) Wind-up Levi 3.) Thav set Thanks again for doing this!