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If that's the case force every bit of content completion rather than just piecemeal it. Didn't do T13? Fuck off you don't get this expansion. That's a pretty poor slippery slope. Turns are meant to be bonus content from the get-go, along with Alex Savage.

At the risk of sounding like a cop-out, I think looking for combat realism in a world where: Knights in full plate with the ability to propel themselves into the air like a fighter jet Shooting lightning out of your hands Ninja magic Handheld energy blasts And guns mounted on miniature helicopters... ...not only exist, but are stated in the lore to be tried-and-true effective fighting techniques is pointless. It's a catch-22. To get true realism, you'd have to discount all the techniques that wouldn't do dick in a real fight, which would mean literally going "No, game, you're wrong" and saying that all the things that the game tells you would work in a fight wouldn't. Honestly I think people who come looking for realism in a Final Fantasy game are in the wrong place to begin with. At least half the things on that list are FF staples, after all. Also, am I the only one that's tiring of the "Oh, well the only reason we see X is because Y is a story character!" excuse? There's nothing in the game that suggests this. The dragoons we see jetting around the HW opening are wearing normal-ass purple rank-and-file armor. Illberd wasn't stated to be on the level of any of the Scions, and Raubahn in-story is most likely one of the most skilled gladiators ever, but he's still a normal human by the setting's standards. Y they're still flying around, blasting eachother through pillars and shooting sword-beams. Some of the most basic LNC skills (even if you want to assume that everything after the class quest conclusion at 30 is self-taught) are flashy, twirly, and anime as all hell, yet we see completely normal Wailers and lancers using them without fail.

That part's kinda iffy if you're dealing with other player characters, which is what I'd assume you're talking about with guard duty. More on-topic, I like the PMC-ish kind of approach rather than the ragtag bunch of misfits angle that I see most mercenary groups take.

1. I don't like people who ERP as lalafell. They straight-up look like babies. Anybody who is alright writing a detailed account of a baby having sex is somebody I don't need in my life. 2. At least from what I've seen, a homosexual character being played by a heterosexual person of the opposite sex almost always ends poorly, so I tend to avoid those types. Most if not all that I've seen are either thinly-veiled ERP characters. 3. I think para-RP in a public setting is one of the most inconsiderate things you can do, especially in crowded places like the QS or public events. Match the length of those around you. The chatscroll is often bad enough, so I don't need five unnecessary sentences of inner monologue.

Congratulations, you're obsessed with useless details. The passive-aggression is real. I honestly am miffed with many of the attempts to derail the thread. We haven't even scratched the surface of what we can achieve in this line of discussion. In Eorzea, do skeletons have dreams?

Under this line of curious logic, it is reasonable to deduce that Oskwell's fat cat actually is Okswell, and manipulates the man by a series of levers, pulleys, and other simple mechanical devices, from an internal control system. This thread is getting really... deep and semantic. Gods help us all. That is the case, yes. Oskwell is a puppet controlled by the fat cat in order to better communicate with the five races. A thrall of sorts.

We've seen skeletons, and we've seen people, but we've never seen a skeleton inside a person. How do we know skeletons live inside people in this universe? I maintain that skeletons and people are two different races.

Eorzea would have no need of emmenagogues if women didn't have periods, then. Emmenagogue: an herb or medicine that promotes mensturation So we know that women menstruate, but how do we know that menstruation doesn't happen different in Eorzea? From the eyes, perhaps? As with most fiction, everything works as it does in this world unless proven otherwise. (and especially, but not exclusively, in cases of taboo, lack of evidence is not itself evidence, since writers may be avoiding those subjects out of politeness/them being squeamish.) If we didn't look at it this way, how would anything even? Yeah, but think about it. Great wyrms' power comes from their eyes. I think it's completely possible that that's because their eyes give them the power to shoot out babies.

Eorzea would have no need of emmenagogues if women didn't have periods, then. Emmenagogue: an herb or medicine that promotes mensturation So we know that women menstruate, but how do we know that menstruation doesn't happen different in Eorzea? From the eyes, perhaps? From the eyes or from between their legs, it'd still be menstruation >_> Which is what the topic is about. Yes, but I was questioning whether or not Eorzean women have vaginas. Babies would need to come from the eyes as well.

Eorzea would have no need of emmenagogues if women didn't have periods, then. Emmenagogue: an herb or medicine that promotes mensturation So we know that women menstruate, but how do we know that menstruation doesn't happen different in Eorzea? From the eyes, perhaps?

Honestly, I still think all of this is pretty lore-breaking. We haven't seen anything to suggest women have vaginas in Eorzea.

We've never seen a live vagina ingame yet, so until then I'm of the school of thought that vaginas, infact, do not exist in the world of FFXIV.

"Koji Fox may have said X, but it doesn't matter because he doesn't show it!" That's not how creating things work. A developer shouldn't have to justify his every word to you with cutscenes/ingame tidbits/etc. If it were in the game to begin with, it wouldn't even have come up in the dev Q&A. The entire point of those is to expand on things that aren't shown in their entirely ingame.

Actually, it's roleplay, so it has everything to do with roleplay.

No, but if you can kill a tiger then nobody would fault you for thinking you could kill a snake too.

Yeah... no. The problem was addressed, the person was asked to leave IC because I didn't want to bleed OOC into IC and they refused. The issue was more the person not respecting event security, and continued to add to causing a ruckus after they were asked to stop. Way to be an ass about it. Well, if they were still causing a ruckus, that's not alright. I said that exact thing in my reply. But your post doesn't mention that, it's worded as if the main problem was his character not being intimidated by yours, so I based my reply off of that assumption. I'm sorry you found my tone offensive.

In a world where the average adventurer (which seems to be a suitable FF equivalent to "loser with no real day job") takes on living cacti that can fire needles at lethal velocities, lightning-powered cheetah monsters, beastmen, etc. then "Person bigger than you" can cease to be all that terrifying. I think something that's worrying is that you saw his character, a hyur, and naturally went "A hyur, well, they must be terrified by a roegadyn." I think it's assuming quite a lot to just expect a certain IC reaction and then blaming it on some kind of OOC bleed. Unfortunately, the people playing the characters are the ones who get to choose how their character sees yours, not you. If somebody walks into a public event, starts shit, then refuses to deal with the consequences, that's definitely not okay. But from how the OP words it, it seems it didn't even get that far, and that the problem wasn't what the character did, but the character not instantly backing down and being in terror of the OP's character, because obviously any character would be terrified by such a bonafide badass, right? I find it weird that the general sentiment in the thread is "Man, all these stupid people just wanna play badasses" when the OP's problem seems to be that the person didn't properly acknowledge their character's badassery.

Part of the problem is that, outside of Gridania's well-known dislike for keepers (poachers) and duskwights (knaves and thieves), and Ishgard's well-known nationalism that tends to appear as racist, we don't see a whole lot in the city-states. That's because, I speculate, the city-states are the cosmopolitan melting pots, given all the adventurers that live and work there. Fernehalwes's already noted that adventurers are a more open-minded, educated lot as a whole, and RL history will tell you that people tend to eventually habituate to "others" when they live in the same place long enough. The most accepting places around are likely those adventurer towns, Revenant's Toll (home the adventurers' guild) and Idyllshire. Personally, I view the city-states as a lot like, say, Gangs of New York in feel. There's some awful bigotry and a fair amount of prejudice (duskwights are thieves, seekers are whores, lalafell are rich bastards, roegadyn are dumb cutthroats, etc.), but you don't usually have blood in the streets. Usually. The further away you get from the city-states, the less you have sneering pronouncements and the more you have outright, explicit, sometimes violent racism. Eorzea's a pretty dangerous place, though, so sometimes you have to band together with those you hate so that the big morbol doesn't eat you all. That probably makes exile the more likely consequence for getting on the ugly side of racism (as we see in the WP HM unlock quest line). So what does this mean for a character? If you're an adventurer, I'd argue you have a lot of reasons to not be particularly racist. You're exposed to lots of different people and cultures, which tends to blunt prejudices. You also have lots of reasons you might be, including family history, hundreds if not thousands of years of culture, dislike of refugees trying to Take Your Jobs, or simply thinking those short, round ears are just plain gross. If you're not an adventurer, you're probably more likely to be racist, but who knows? Maybe you think other races are cute. Maybe a duskwight adventurer saved your life. The long and short of it, IMO, is that the setting is open enough for people to put as much or as little prejudice in their characters as they like. ^This whole post. Nobody's saying playing a non-racist character is impossible. It's just as possible as playing a racist character. One of the cruxes of Idyllshire quests is the lack of prejudice and how everybody gets along. It's the same reason the Doman refugees settled down in Mor Dhona.

"The setting has very little racism" does not mean the same thing as "The setting's racism isn't relevant to my roleplay." That's all I'm going to say on the matter since this is going nowhere fast.

He's literally not saying it doesn't exist, though. He's just explaining his perspective and experiences as they relate to this sort of RP. He even said "from my point of view". That's not arguing. He's just saying they're lightly touched upon, relatively, compared to other themes- and I'm sure it seems especially so relative to his own life. (And argue about the IC/OOC separation stuff all you want, but there's a real human behind every RP character and their lives do effect their RP, even if the degree of it varies from person to person.) If you'd never played lancer you wouldn't be exposed to that plotline, for example. There's lots of ways you could miss it, the game honestly does gloss over it most of the time. It's mentioned, it exists, but it's not in your face or directed towards you most of the time. edit: Sorry to come off like the tone police, I just feel like this thread (not you specifically) is coming off as overly argumentative, bordering on being a little hostile, on this particularly sensitive subject. It's very subjective and personal to a lot of people, and that too needs to be acknowledged just as much as the oft-stated fact racism exists in this setting. Which it does, and I don't think anybody's really trying to argue about it at this point. Actually, he said Which is wrong. The setting has plenty of racism. If he'd said that the racism in the game's setting was not a main focus on the storyline, then he might have something, but to say it just doesn't have it is simply wrong. If somebody doesn't have knowledge of the setting, then maybe it's not best to come into a thread and say "X doesn't exist in the setting." That's a recipe for disaster. We've been over the subjective part multiple times and people seem to get it. It's completely alright to not be comfortable with mature or dark themes in RP. The objective part, that racism and prejudice between the races is prevalent in the setting, is the part that people seem to be having trouble with.

Gridania's pretty racist against both Duskwights and against Keepers, each are mentioned in Gridanian/Shroud questlines, the former is a crucial story detail of the Lancer's Guild storyline. The reason that the world, as we see it, doesn't have much racism is because the character we play going through the quests isn't a downtrodden citizen of the shitty world that Eorzea is, they're a legendary hero blessed by a goddess who regularly does battle with evil nature-gods, dark wizards, and ancient robots. Of course, from what we, the players, are able to get from quests and miscellaneous lore sources, is limited when it comes to it because of the player character's viewpoint. Not to mention that a lot of potential dialogue that could revolve around race is stifled by the fact that player races can be chosen, meaning that quests and other ingame material tends to completely ignore the player's chosen race. (At least from what I've seen) As it's been said multiple times before in the thread. Not wanting to RP something because it disturbs or otherwise makes you uncomfortable is 100% fine, but don't try to act as if it doesn't exist in the setting. People don't come to a game or roleplay community, say "Man, I'd like to play a /huge dickbag racist/" and then go at it. They play the game or read into the lore, see things like that, and decide to give their characters flaws that are stated to be real problems in Eorzea. I don't know what more proof people want. This argument should've ended a page ago with

Alright.

Black Jack's preferred names for the races are: Highlanders - Nobrows Elezen - Slicknecks Miqo'te - Mongrels Lalafell - Midgets Roegadyn - Fatties Au Ra - Scalies

I enjoy people who give their characters glaring flaws such as racist/classist/etc. beliefs. It can really add to RP in all respects. When my character and a friend's get into arguments and butt heads because he's an Ishgardian lowborn soldier and she's the heir to an Ul'Dahn merchant family who actively despise the poor, it's fun. People like to demonize conflict in RP for some reason, conflict is one of the pillars of roleplay. To be fair, you should probably avoid 20-80% of the RP community to begin with.

The crux of the Lancer's Guild storyline is the racism against Duskwights in Gridania. Everything to do with Little Ala Mhigo involves Ul'Dah's discrimination against the Ala Mhigan refugees. Doubly so with the Domans, and that one's even brought up for a good chunk of the MSQ. If you don't wanna roleplay a racist or around people who play racists, that's fine. Still, it's not like the people who play characters don't have a good basis. Prejudice and racism is treated as a very real problem in Eorzea, so I don't really see the problem in somebody playing a character with those prejudices as flaws. If somebody is bothered by the way people present race relations in Eorzea, then they should stay away from the characters that bother them. It's not exclusion, it's common sense. That's not telling them pick up their ball and go somewhere else, it's asking them to not force others to play the kind of ball that they're most comfortable with. Other people can't make you accept roleplay that makes you uncomfortable, and you can't make anybody else change their roleplay to suit your tastes. It's common courtesy.