Flashhelix

what the fuck, estinien's got this one easily his inner dragon can just eat the bbread and hell be sagfe fucknig kthis goddamn biased board against drtgogaoin plays

I've got a single xaela that just so happens to be looking for a man, I'll find you ingame.

If/next time there's an open spot, I'd like an invite when possible.

ping :lol: and i am curious to see how female crashers are handled. i had a lovely elegant lady at my party when it happened, she had such a strong voice that went well with her five o'clock shadow. Please don't diss the illustrious Lady Gwenneth.

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i don't know

I alted for the first time in making a Buduga. He's mostly a ridiculous character that I only pull out for Grindstones since his personality makes him unsuited for most other kinds of RP. I considered going with another au ra for my next alt, but eventually went with a midlander. The novelty had worn off. That being said, a pair of friends both rerolled their mains as raen and are both loving it, along with being great characters in general, so I know it can be done.

You are reading into the use of BS as a verb far, far too much. Pot, kettle, black, re: passive-aggressive behavior. I've no interest in continuing a discussion where my perspective is insulted and a request for apology is scoffed at. Peace, out. Your perspective was never insulted. But who am I to tell you what those words meant? I only wrote them.

You are reading into the use of BS as a verb far, far too much.

I mean putting a little bit of effort into roleplaying them. But yeah, let's just be passive-aggressive. That works too. I figure it's a good time as any to bow out of this ill-fated discussion seeing as people are clearly beginning to take their pretendytimes far too seriously. I'm simply referring back to the question you refused to answer: Why is it logical to assume regular dragoons can utilize magic that only the Azure Dragoon has shown an ability to use? You stated that you incorporate those skills into your RP, but have no lore basis to do so. And yet, you claim that miqo'te can't be dragoons or Ishgardian, citing no lore (a citation which has been challenged, but we'll ignore that for now). So which is it? Wrong. I have made at least three posts in this thread in which I address that exact accusation. I will not make another.

I mean putting a little bit of effort into roleplaying them. But yeah, let's just be passive-aggressive. That works too. I figure it's a good time as any to bow out of this ill-fated discussion seeing as people are clearly beginning to take their pretendytimes far too seriously. See above.

You're right, which is why instead of saying: "There are no NPCs to support the idea of a miqo'te dragoon." I will say: "There is no lore to support the idea of a miqo'te dragoon." Sure there is. Play one and go through the dragoon questline. Nobody acts as if what's going on is extraordinary at all. After you complete the questline, no NPC you come across behaves as if you're unusual. That in itself is lore. There's no evidence that suggests any race isn't represented among dragoons or plausible as being an upstanding citizen of Ishgard. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Ergo, you can't rationally conclude that they aren't allowed simply because the game doesn't tell you they ARE allowed. The game's dialogues lack any indication of it not being acceptable or ordinary. If we're going to BS it and cram the MSQ in there, canonically the WoL is a midlander man, so no, that is not part of lore. That's great, but this thread is about roleplaying dragoons, so we'll discuss roleplaying dragoons.

You're right, which is why instead of saying: "There are no NPCs to support the idea of a miqo'te dragoon." I will say: "There is no lore to support the idea of a miqo'te dragoon."

Presumably the fact that there's an entire settlement of people, many experienced, who for the most part utterly fail to achieve that exact thing in Coerthas Western. It's not exactly an easy task.

Right, it's xenophobia rather than racism. Which returns to the issue of whether or not things like being a dragoon should be limited to specific races, when the evidence in the game based on NPC treatment suggests that as long as the player has a plausible reason for their character to be a respected resident of Ishgard (not an outsider, in other words), their race shouldn't matter at all. But then we're just getting into an entirely separate argument of "Is there a plausible way in which a non-hyur or non-elezen could become a respected resident of Ishgard" and thus ten more pages of worthless non-argument.

Right, it's xenophobia rather than racism. I'm sorry, this is really rather silly. You're arguing that Ishgardians, long before their much more troubled times post Calamity, hired outsiders to guard almost all of Coerthas Western Highlands? You're welcome to speculate that is the case, but you don't have any ground to stand on claiming that speculation is as equally supported as speculation that Ishgardian soldiers are guarding Ishgardian territory. I'd say that "Ishgardian hired outsiders" and "Miqo'te Ishgardians" both have zero in-game details to support them, so they're equal in that respect.

So then your argument is that this gray area is perfectly acceptable to play into, but sparsely represented racial minorities are pushing the boundaries a bit too far? There is a difference between saying that a dragoon can have an ability mentioned in the context of the Azure Dragoon without anything mentioning that there is anything distinguishing the two besides the Eye and roleplaying a race of dragoon that we have literally never seen before or seen anything to suggest it can exist. As stated before, people can do what they want, anything is technically "alright" (as there are very few instances where the game outright states X is impossible) but the issue is that many people don't put much effort into selling it, either because they don't want to bother or because they don't realize just how rare the character would be. How many miqo'te are there in the world? They're supposed to be a rare race. Of that rare race, how many would willingly choose to live in Ishgard, a cold region even before the calamity when they absolutely despise the cold? Of those, who has the skills to fell a full-fledged dragon? The implication of a miqo'te dragoon carries a lot more weight than people think, with what we've seen.

The only relevant information we get from the 30-50 DRG quests all (or at least the vast majority) relates only to those dragoons who have access to the power of Nidhogg's Eye. We're told that the power of Nidhogg's eye empowers the Azure, that it calls Nidhogg to it, and that the power it gives allows the Azure to do things such as the Dragonfire Dive. The specifics of most other dragoon abilities are far too vague to say "Only the Azure Dragoon can do this" simply because the storyline itself focuses on the Azure Dragoon. Not to mention that the soul crystal is something completely different from the Eye that still apparently allows the WoL to manifest an inner dragon, which either means it's something that is not exclusive to the Eye or that somehow the soulstone gained the Eye's power.

You mean like how the entire 30-50 DRG job class story had absolutely zero to do with any dragoon save the formerly one, now two, special snowflakes? And that "inner dragon" stuff is almost exclusively stated in reference to the Azure Dragoon. And now that I'm thinking about it, did the "Sanguine Dragoon" even use any of the magical abilities in the course of those quests? Yes, the 30-50 DRG storyline where they tell you plenty of dragoon lore that shouldn't be discounted because you happen to be dealing with the head dragoon. The Azure Dragoon is still a dragoon, it's why he's not just called "The Azure." When he has an ability that no other dragoon can use it's pointed out, as in the case of the Dragonfire Dive.

To just assume that Ratatoskr's blood, one of the biggest revelations in the HW MSQ, doesn't figure into the job class that are not only considered to be the symbol of Ishgard but also stated to have an "inner dragon" of sorts that is implied to be far more than metaphorical is pretty ridiculous. When we see a miqo'te dragoon somewhere, I'll believe it. Simple as that. There are so many ways in which you could say "Well I know the lore says this but ACTUALLY IT'S" yadda yadda but at some point you have to wonder how far bending the lore and abusing the hell out of poor, innocent grey areas is worth it to have a dragoon with cat ears and a tail.

I do believe that would be a requirement to reach one's true potential as a dragoon, and is simply why all dragoons we see are either elezen or hyur (along with the whole xenophobia thing). Honestly I feel like the stretches that some people take to make their character X class can be far-fetched at times. How many old dragoons are there? And out of those old dragoons, who would be open to actively training somebody who was not only an outsider, who p. much everybody in Ishgard with the exception of House Fortemps is distrustful of, but train an outsider in the sacred dragonslaying art that is so advanced you have to prove you can kill one without it to even be allowed to learn it? THAT BEING SAID, I take a few liberties with dragoon powers myself, namely that my dragoon character can do things like the Geirskogul, mostly because the only one explicitly stated to only be possible by the Azure Dragoon is the Dragonfire Dive. In one of the DRG quests you even make up a brand new technique, the lore is too barren to assume much when it comes to the abilities themselves. If you can sell it, any concept is possible, but I feel like some people don't put enough effort into selling it.

Roleplayer entitlement is absolutely out of control.

If that's the case force every bit of content completion rather than just piecemeal it. Didn't do T13? Fuck off you don't get this expansion. That's a pretty poor slippery slope. Turns are meant to be bonus content from the get-go, along with Alex Savage. Hence why I don't get this whole "play the game to play the game" bullshit and why it hasn't been called out as a slippery slope as well? Because it's not, and your analogy is.