Fundraising RP Events

[Faye]

see that doesn't actually matter. If people want to do five date auctions in a row then that's their prerogative; not yours. The community doesn't need to be told what to do or how to do it. It doesn't even need to be suggested at, either. If everyone does their own thing then none of it really matters. If five date auctions happen on one weekend then fine! Social Darwinism will settle it out accordingly.

 

But on a serious note--I'm in no way implying people should stop having date auctions. I just don't think it's doing anyone any favors and is actually hurting their own cause. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be more than willing to fork over my gil for a cause that's different and new. For a while I was still willing to participate in date auctions as a date to help the hosts earn gil, but now I've gone through so many that even my interest in that is waning. I think it would benefit the community as well as the party trying to fundraise if they tried out some fresher ideas.

[Khadan]

You've missed the point entirely.

[Faye]

You've missed the point entirely.

 

Have I, or have you?

[Michikyou]

because the majority of people here focus on roleplay I get the feeling a lot of people don't know how to make Gil to support their FC or themselves. There are a number of ways to make Gin without having to rely on the community as much.

 

Materia Making (Spirit Binding)

This is a quick way to make a small payout, and it really pays well if you get lucky with RNGesus and get a few IV's. The simplest way to do this is to either:

a) Make ilevel 45+ items in DoW/DoM or DoL.DoH in HQ and grab a spiritbind tonic from your GC for a few seals. Put up a party in party finder and head to urths gift to kil water sprites. Remember to put on a spirit bind accessory if you have it. These are purchasable from your GC too.

b) Go to the gear merchant in Mor Dhona for a slightly slower experience. You can buy i45+ items from the merchant. Only i45+ have a guarantee at an iv materia. Feel free to mix and match here. Crafting materia sell for less but theres always a market for them.

This Guide helps.

 

Mining/Botany

If you dedicate one or 2 hours a day to mining up shards you can make small amounts of money. Set your retainer to help too. 60 shards at 40-79 gil a piece is a good start.

 

Crafting

Even low level crafting can make you some hefty Gil. Check the market, but don't flood it. Usually people are too lazy to buy their leveling gear for DoH DoL from a NPC and often just buy whats on the marketplace.

 

Selling your soul

You could also sell your soul to the the devil. But I heard that is really impractical and hard to actually achieve.

[Faye]

I think the majority of people know how to make gil--finding the time or drive to do it is another matter entirely, and none of the ways are particularly fast or easy.

[Erik Mynhier]

...My FC is growing, and is set to really jump in the coming weeks/month. We may outgrow our little home and if/when we do, its not my FC's responsibility to raise funds, its mine.

 

Erik, I want to take exception to this. I think taking the position that you (as FC leader) are the only one responsible for raising funds for a house is both harmful to yourself as well as to the sense of community within your FC.

 

A house costs a tremendous amount of money. A small is perhaps kind of sort of reasonable for one very dedicated player, but a medium or large approaches an order of magnitude difference. If you take the attitude that you're responsible for raising that money, you'll both never get it done as well as burning yourself out.

 

At the same time, you're depriving your FC of something really valuable: the opportunity to feel invested in the FC. There are a lot of FCs out there where the individual members feel like replaceable parts in the leadership's thang. Now, I don't normally make a lot of value judgements, but I'll make one here: These sorts of FCs are bad. You don't want that. What you want instead is a FC where the people who join it feel like it's their FC. Where they feel like they're a part of something cool, and that they matter to it, and that it's success is partially because of their efforts. Fundraising for a house is a significant way to let everyone in the FC be a part of this. If the whole FC comes together over time and works up the money for a bigger house, then when you get that house they'll all feel proud of it. They helped make it a reality.

 

I get that, I just get guilty over others feeling like they have to you know. I'm like that in real life so it bleeds through. I hate asking for help.

[Khadan]

You've missed the point entirely.

 

Have I, or have you?

 

You definitely have.

 

If $people wish to hold $events with any kind of regularity be it spaced out or all at the same time then that is their right and choice to do so. No amount of not-so-subtle cajoling or insinuating that $people should do $things a certain way is ever going to be appropriate. 

 

The one and -only- caveat here is that IF people choose to communicate about their events amongst themselves to greater spread out amount of RP happenings so that others can participate in more things then that is splendid and I encourage that wholeheartedly. IF your intent is to actually encourage more communication along those lines then by all means continue.

[V'aleera]

You've missed the point entirely.

 

Have I, or have you?

 

You definitely have.

Which part of any of the above dialogue was supposed to be useful to this conversation?

 

If people want to host these tacky money-grabs on a regular basis, that's their prerogative.

 

If people want to publicly discuss aforementioned tacky money-grabs, that's their prerogative.

[Faye]

If $people wish to hold $events with any kind of regularity be it spaced out or all at the same time then that is their right and choice to do so. No amount of not-so-subtle cajoling or insinuating that $people should do $things a certain way is ever going to be appropriate. 

 

The one and -only- caveat here is that IF people choose to communicate about their events amongst themselves to greater spread out amount of RP happenings so that others can participate in more things then that is splendid and I encourage that wholeheartedly. IF your intent is to actually encourage more communication along those lines then by all means continue.

 

But on a serious note--I'm in no way implying people should stop having date auctions. I just don't think it's doing anyone any favors and is actually hurting their own cause. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be more than willing to fork over my gil for a cause that's different and new. For a while I was still willing to participate in date auctions as a date to help the hosts earn gil, but now I've gone through so many that even my interest in that is waning. I think it would benefit the community as well as the party trying to fundraise if they tried out some fresher ideas.

 

I really don't know what I can say that I haven't already said here three times now. By all means, people can have as many date auctions as often as they like, but I think the community is growing tired of it, and as such their profits are slowly sinking. The point of this thread to offer suggestions people can choose to take or leave. Maybe some people will find it helpful--I've had people actually send me /tells asking for ideas for fundraising events seeking to break away from the date auction funk. Maybe some people will find it useless and still opt for the ease of a date auction--more power to 'em, I hope it goes well and I may even still participate if I have the time. More communication is a thing that would always be useful and I wholeheartedly encourage it, and this thread was meant to be an avenue for that to begin.

[C'kayah Polaali]

...My FC is growing, and is set to really jump in the coming weeks/month. We may outgrow our little home and if/when we do, its not my FC's responsibility to raise funds, its mine.

 

(stuff)

 

I get that, I just get guilty over others feeling like they have to you know. I'm like that in real life so it bleeds through. I hate asking for help.

 

You're not asking for help. They want to help. You're letting them help.

[Faye]

You're not asking for help. They want to help. You're letting them help.

 

This!!! There's no need to feel guilty in letting people do what they want to do.

[Val]

I think the general and overall message was that a lot of the same event over and over throughout the community will eventually grow stale. As has seen with a few recent events, hardly anyone participated and most just didn't go because, in my opinion, the community as a whole is getting tired of it. I know that I certainly am, and provided there's an event I can actually go to when work and school allows it, you can bet I'll try to be there.

[Khadan]

You've missed the point entirely.

 

Have I, or have you?

 

You definitely have.

Which part of any of the above dialogue was supposed to be useful to this conversation?

 

If people want to host these tacky money-grabs on a regular basis, that's their prerogative.

 

If people want to publicly discuss aforementioned tacky money-grabs, that's their prerogative.

 

That was actually my point exactly. I even personally feel that some of them are indeed tacky, lol.

[Kellach Woods]

My point was more if you're interested in just straight up making money please advertise this fact.

 

1) Those who are interested in helping out will actually know what they're doing and who they're doing it for.

 

2) Those who aren't will just ignore it and not go instead of being attracted by false pretenses.

 

If you're making a RP event, you're making a RP event first. If you're making a fundraiser, you're making a fundraiser first. It's not a question of never the twain shall meet but rather I've never seen any of these turn out a good experience for anyone involved other than those who collect the money.

[Val]

My point was more if you're interested in just straight up making money please advertise this fact.

 

I don't think that really much matters, or that it should be kind of a given considering they're saying that real gil will be involved. I personally don't mind throwing gil out to people that take the time to formulate a well-done RP event and try to help thrust the community along. I love supporting them =)

[Kellach Woods]

I'm not faulting the generosity of people of the community. Most of us like helping out.

 

But if the focus of the event is making money, it changes the dynamic a lot to the point where I'd like to know beforehand so I can just get the hell out of dodge.

[Aaron]

Honestly I see it as what it is, paying for a service. 

 

You go in their company house, they own everything in the event inside and on the property besides you. They technically own the candidates as long as they pay them also.

 

You're paying for a service IC through food etc with IC gil.

 

You're paying for the dates OOC via real gil (not for the date, that's rp related)

 

People aren't obligated to pay or go. I don't see the issue here. If you go and you wanna pay 4 million for Val (You getting girls bro props!) Then that's your decision. 

 

Overdone and unoriginal? Most likely.

 

Old and uninteresting? Probably not.

Im neutral here. I agree Faye has a point but I also disagree it's getting old. As long as people go to it and you make gil, it's not old at all.

[Maril]

In comparison, are there any date auctions that don't actually take real gil? Would people go to a date auction if the money were all pretend?

 

Haven't > and a few other FCs done this?

 

Little late to this one, but KinRP did one way-back-when which was done without the involvement of real gil. I remember that we had it around a time where there were a couple of other auctions going as well (but I do not remember in detail what those auctions entailed) People did attend, and the biggest problem we had was that people wouldn't be "realistic" with their gil - with bids spiraling way out of any control, in the end we had to close the bid rounds prematurely to prevent things going downright silly. 

I still think that the actual-gil auctions have had numbers that are in the silly-bracket, but there you can also understand why they're so high, since the point is to raise gil. 

I don't know how much people think about economy with their characters, but I wouldn't really find it realistic when someone who's rping as your average adventurer suddenly has millions of gil to blow on a date (which is where it ended up for the non-actual-gil-auction we had) 

 

So in the wake of that, I tried thinking of alternative ways of doing it. One of the things I had in mind was a token system, where you declare that every person receives say 100 tokens. And then they can bid with that. But I never got to the point of testing it, as we started to focus on other types of events as well. 

 

I think the involvement of actual gil discourages more than it encourages, because not everyone has a lot of gil to toss at events. In that light, whenever I go to something that has actual gil involved (and where I also pay) its usually because I actually want to support the people behind it anyways.

[Kirann]

I am on my phone when I saw this, so apologize in advance if my ideas were already suggested 

 

If the intent is to raise Gil then these ideas might not work that good, but if it's about Rping, having some fun and meeting others , then here are my thoughts 

 

Story telling event, where each person that entered gets to tell a tale while sitting around a campfire , or some other places suitable . There is a lot that can be done with this, allows people to tell a bit about themselves or some other event they might or might not have been a part of. 

People can sit back and listen and enjoy , cry or rally behind the person (s) telling the tale. 

 

The other idea would be something along the line of a walking spooky ghost tour. This would require FC support to be tour guides  and also perhaps guests that show up to act as part of the story . We had a lot of fun with this one in TSW around Halloween. We kept the groups to ten people or less and used lore to build our stories . 

 

Neither of these would bring in Gil, but they both facilitied role play .

 

Quick edit for third idea

 

Why not hold a market day , once every other month where crafters could sell their items ? A housing area would work good for this, crafters of all types can show up and see their own stuff.ight not ne theist amazing thing, but I would enjoy this just for the IC interaction that can take place .