Question about mix races

[Moesashi]

I've taken the time to look into this because it got my interest and was unable to find anything. So thought I might as well ask. A friend of mine is a Male Au Ra and his "mate" is a female Miqo'te. This already made me raise my eyebrow due to the two races being vastly different in their ideals. But I am trying to overlook that right now. What I am having a problem accepting is them having a child with one and other. Looking at the two races I would not think it can be done. They are rather different and do not think a mix bred of the two would even work. So I come to you, what are your thoughts about the matter and if it can even be done and accepted in lore.

[Blue]

Assuming that genetics work the same way in Eorzea Hydaelyn as they do IRL, two different races do can have an offspring. It's when two different species mate that offsprings are either impossible, or sterile (see the cases of Hinny and Mule).

[LiadansWhisper]

I've taken the time to look into this because it got my interest and was unable to find anything. So thought I might as well ask. A friend of mine is a Male Au Ra and his "mate" is a female Miqo'te. This already made me raise my eyebrow due to the two races being vastly different in their ideals. But I am trying to overlook that right now. What I am having a problem accepting is them having a child with one and other. Looking at the two races I would not think it can be done. They are rather different and do not think a mix bred of the two would even work. So I come to you, what are your thoughts about the matter and if it can even be done and accepted in lore.

 

It's probably possible, however I would imagine that such offspring are extremely rare and they would likely be social pariahs.

[BumblingSeaBiscuit]

I do believe this has already been confirmed in lore and through dev statements that all the Eorzean races and their sub-clans/tribes/whatever you wish to call them can inter-breed (actually, I know, as this inquiry has come up before ^^;; I just don't have the material on hand).

 

EDIT

 

SE Confirmed that mixed races exist.

 

All of the playable races have a common ancestor. (Stated at the Las Vegas Fanfest)

 

However, they are exceedingly rare and we do not know what they would look like.

 

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As far as interbreeding between different clans of a given race, it happens. Chances are, there would be mixed physical traits from each. (Maybe the Keeper fangs and the Seeker eyes?)

 

As far as cross-clan miqo'te go, the naming conventions actually talk about it directly.

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo%27te/Naming

 

Here's our old buddy the lore forum with our favorite guy, Fernhalwes ♥.

 

See question number 2:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/32685-Questions-related-to-Lore?p=490835&viewfull=1#post490835

 

F'lhaminn is actually a Fernhawles-confirmed half-breed miqo'te.  She has a Sun Seeker name and was brought up as a Sun Seeker, but has obvious Moon Keeper traits (most obvious being the rounded pupils).

 

I'm really, really curious what a Hellsguard/Sea Wolf combo would look like because they're the only race where the skin-tones really don't have any point where they intersect.

 

Here are some links to a few past topics that brushed upon this subject in case you are interested ^^

 

 

Clan Mixing

 

Half Elves

 

Cross-species / Cross clans offspring

 

All found from HERE.

[Moesashi]

Well an other reason I ask is, from what I poked into Au ra are half demon. Thus wouldn't that demonic blood not mix with other races other then themselves? I know most of the the other races could but Au Ra are not like the others. But I do thank ya for taking the time to post on this thread.

[Dravus]

The biggest issues with half-breeds is that they're meant to be rare and they're meant to be shunned and ridiculed throughout Eorzea. I play one myself, though it isn't obvious at a glance since Graeham is half-Midlander/half-Garlean. It isn't something he brings up on a whim since people have branded him a monster for it and even tried to kill him due to believing that his Garlean blood has left him 'tainted'.

 

Many role-players, however, portray their character(s) as having a complete set of modern ideals when it comes to this sort of thing. It's rare to see it as a point of conflict - which is a shame because, realistically, that's what it is seen as throughout Eorzea. There's quite a few examples of half-breeds being frowned upon and shunned in-game and certain places are more notorious than others for that sort of thing.

 

As for the matter of a Miqo'te and Au Ra breeding with each other? I think it's perfectly fine to be skeptical about that sort of thing. As we know from the established lore it's...rare and I like to think it's pretty dangerous too. I favour the idea that interracial breeding is dangerous and the mother risks being killed/losing her child as a result of it being difficult to do.

 

Graeham's mother - a full-blooded Garlean - lost the ability to have children after she had Graeham. I felt like it'd be a suitable consequence given the rarity of interracial breeding.

 

I suppose I'm rambling at this point but whilst it's possible for half-breeds to exist I, for one, appreciate it when people allow for it to be a point of intrigue/potential conflict instead of having their character(s) accepting it readily.

[Kage]

First, we have the races. Lalafell, Roegadyn, Elezen, Miqo'te, Hyur, and Au Ra.

 

For each they have 2 subsets: Moonkeepers vs Sunseekers, Dunesfolk & Plainsfolk, Sea Wolves & Hellsguard, Raen & Xaela, Duskwight & Wildwood, and Midlander & Highlander.

 

We have seen one example of cross race breeding. In 3.0 we see an Elezen-Hyur female.

 

As mentioned before, we also have a Miqo'te who is part Seeker and part Moonkeeper.

 

We don't see much of it because there is a -huge- stigma as seen in 3.0.

Can different races crossbreed?

 

Answer: Yes, but it is rare...and often difficult due to cultural differences, etc. which is why you don't see it often. The lore team has informed me that there will be future quests/events that touch on this and other issues, such as love and marriage.

It was heavily implied that the cultural issues really heavily get into it. (For the most part, for hundreds of years the different races have been at war and at odds with each other).

 

We don't know if the offspring of the different races can breed or if they are fertile. Nor do we know for fact if a Roegadyn and Lalafell can have children.

 

Edit: I believe the part about the war and such was at the FanFest lore panel.

Cross-racial?

-adventurers come from different land. From places slightly more “progressive.” Live together but separate. Hyur and elezen had wars. A lot of bad blood between races. Recently races to come together in single nations. Cross Racial is possible, but it doesn’t happen a lot. It’s a cultural thing. 3.0 there will be a cross-racial union.

 

Note that almost always in reference to cross-racial unions, the issues for why it is rare is mentioned to be -cultural- and not biological.

[Dravus]

 

We have seen one example of cross race breeding. In 3.0 we see an Elezen-Hyur female.

 

 

 

There's also a guy within Vesper Bay. He's easy to miss unless people speak with him often throughout the MSQ's in Minfilia's hideout and his name evades me...but at one point he reveals that he's half-Garlean.

[Kage]

 

We have seen one example of cross race breeding. In 3.0 we see an Elezen-Hyur female.

 

 

 

There's also a guy within Vesper Bay. He's easy to miss unless people speak with him often throughout the MSQ's in Minfilia's hideout and his name evades me...but at one point he reveals that he's half-Garlean.

You're right! I don't remember his name either but I remember his story to be... a little sad. Perhaps... Nanking like. >.>

 

Edit: FOund him! Arenvald is Half-Garlean!

 

More edits. Here is a quote from MCKF (One of the 2 World Lore Creators, the other being BANRI ODA-SAAAAAAAAAAAAN) in the lore podcast after the FanFest (Vegas) Lore Panel

A: Some of the lore makes it sounds like the conflict between the Hyur and Elezen got pretty heated while others make it sound like a long standing tension. What was the extent of those hostilities?

 

MCKF: I touched on this a little bit today in the live stream and there was a question about relationships between the races and crossbreeding. A lot of it doesn’t happen because while we have all these races living together in Eorzea, there’s this tension between them. That’s there because they have these histories of fighting for a long time and then not really making up, but agreeing to disagree and living together because it’s better than living by our self and being more susceptible to Garlean attacks or whatever. We work together because we have a common enemy type of thing. Most of the races don’t really like each other and it”s gone on through multiple Eras. There are times when Eorzea has been more populated by one race over another and there will be conflict there. With the Hyur and Elezen, that’s very recent. In the sixth astral era, Elezen migrated in and in that era they were like “we’re the first ones here!” even though they weren’t, but they were the first at the beginning of the sixth astral era and they settled and of course the pesky Hyur who are everywhere come in and the Elezen are like “oh my god we left you that whole continent up there why are you here!” and the Lalafell come in and you have these cycles of clashing and moving part and that gets ingrained in their society and their racial cultures. There’s always these power struggles, you’ll have times when the Lalafell rise for whatever reason and they’l side with one group and then turn on another group and that’s one of the reasons there’s not a lot of interracial relationships because even though they’re living in the same towns it’s like well yeah… but you’re an Elezen.

[Blue]

Unless I am missing some HW information (I haven't played the expansion yet), that Au Ra are half demon is only mere speculation, not unlike the theories (so far disproven wrong) that they are half dragon or reptilian in any way. It'd be like implying that Miqo'te are part coeurl, no?

[ShoggMommy]

Unless I am missing some HW information (I haven't played the expansion yet), that Au Ra are half demon is only mere speculation, not unlike the theories (so far disproven wrong) that they are half dragon or reptilian in any way. It'd be like implying that Miqo'te are part coeurl, no?

 

This is correct. I believe either YoshiP or one of the lore folks said that they only appear to have similarities but they are indeed, not draconic or demonic.

[Virella]

Personally I am still of the opinion that interclan hyur (mid/highlander/garlean) can just happily breed, although the Garlean one obviously one getting a lot of hatred in Eorzea. Elezen + hyur I can still see somewhat being passable in certain regions, Ishgard coming in mind from the MSQ. Mostly because the offspring can either pass for hyur or elezen if they wanted to cover up their heritage (sadly enough the half-elzen NPC we saw was just a midlander with sharp pointy ears slapped upon, but who knows they come in various shapes. I would assume so!)

 

As for an Au ra/miqo'te child? I'm sure it can be born, but I'm certain it will not make it far most likely due to eorzea's racist background. Heck they cast interracial couples out of their society, I cannot imagine how terrible the actions will be with interracial children. Unless they plan to have it locked forever inside.

 

Perhaps that is me having a bit of a darker/realistic view of Eorzea then most are willing to play off. Being subjected to a char of mine having a halfbreed of her own, sadly enough all I had was positive reactions. However that said she is smart enough to not to tell who the father is, pass it off to be some random elezen who knocked her up.

 

It can be done but... it really depends onto how well you handle it, not much more I can say.

 

PS: Having your char raising eyebrows at that relationship is perfectly valid. Virella would spew heresy all over that in a heartbeat (hypocritical, but hey).

[Nako Vesh]

This already made me raise my eyebrow due to the two races being vastly different in their ideals. 

If the two are both from tribal backgrounds, I don't see why Xaela and Miqo'te wouldn't get along rather swimmingly. As I play my Miqo'te now, she's rather intrigued and even impressed by many Xaela traditions and has found herself getting along well with them.

 

As for children, I think they would have a very difficult time conceiving, and any offspring they managed to have would likely be sterile.

[Reiner Dorn]

Of course off the wall in a science aspect, but alot of time It would seem to make sense a half breed would be the race of the mother with traits of them both. So as to not have some weird chimeric lala roe

[Naunet]

I'm of the opinion that if there's a reason mixed race relationships/children are rare, it has largely to do with cultural biases rather than genetics. Which would make for some fun rp, if people actually respond ICly in such a way.

[Delilah Scythewood]

In HW you see a halfbreed in the storyline and short of height, stature, skin and other aesthetic differences...pretty sure the parts all work the same. As someone mentioned prior, it's when different SPECIES mix that it becomes difficult. But different races? It would work. Same concept applies to racial mixing in the real world.

 

You also see mixed racial relationships in the game like the male hyur and miqo'te female in Wineport on the bench or the miqo and hyur couple during one of the HM quests.

 

So in short: yes it's possible.

[LiadansWhisper]

I'm of the opinion that if there's a reason mixed race relationships/children are rare, it has largely to do with cultural biases rather than genetics. Which would make for some fun rp, if people actually respond ICly in such a way.

 

A lot of people are scared to do so.  There is often pushback ooc when your character reacts in a prejudiced or racist manner.

[Naunet]

I'm of the opinion that if there's a reason mixed race relationships/children are rare, it has largely to do with cultural biases rather than genetics. Which would make for some fun rp, if people actually respond ICly in such a way.

 

A lot of people are scared to do so.  There is often pushback ooc when your character reacts in a prejudiced or racist manner.

 

True, I suppose. I never let that stop me.

[Lost River]

From all that I've seen, I need to find my sources to verify; but I believe all races but that of the Roegadyn and Lalafell are genetically compatible with one another; in short, a common ancestry between them while the other two aforementioned are in fact different species all together.

[Blue]

I'm of the opinion that if there's a reason mixed race relationships/children are rare, it has largely to do with cultural biases rather than genetics. Which would make for some fun rp, if people actually respond ICly in such a way.

 

A lot of people are scared to do so.  There is often pushback ooc when your character reacts in a prejudiced or racist manner.

 

Yeah, it's a sad truth. Personally I'd like to see this side of Eorzea more respected. Less mixed races/mixed clans couples (there's waaaay too many of them), and more racism/prejudice/negative IC reactions to them. The good news is that my xenophobic character has lots of fodder, I guess?

[Kage]

From all that I've seen, I need to find my sources to verify; but I believe all races but that of the Roegadyn and Lalafell are genetically compatible with one another; in short, a common ancestry between them while the other two aforementioned are in fact different species all together.

I have never seen any evidence of Roegadyn and Lalafell being different species.

[Sounsyy]

From all that I've seen, I need to find my sources to verify; but I believe all races but that of the Roegadyn and Lalafell are genetically compatible with one another; in short, a common ancestry between them while the other two aforementioned are in fact different species all together.

I have never seen any evidence of Roegadyn and Lalafell being different species.

 

All races, including Roegadyn and Lalafell, share a common ancestry. They are all "races of man." The only race that has suspicions of alternate ancestry are the Miqo'te.

 

Summon your fat cat minion. Despite convincing research by top academics from around the realm and beyond' date=' most Miqo'te scholars refuse to believe that there may be some ancestral connection between their race and cats (fat or not).[/quote']

[Naunet]

All races, including Roegadyn and Lalafell, share a common ancestry. They are all "races of man." The only race that has suspicions of alternate ancestry are the Miqo'te.

 

Summon your fat cat minion. Despite convincing research by top academics from around the realm and beyond, most Miqo'te scholars refuse to believe that there may be some ancestral connection between their race and cats (fat or not).

 

 

At the same time, Titan refers to your character as part of the races of Man even if you're miqo'te.

[FreelanceWizard]

Given some of the things we see in Azys Lla, I think there may be something to miqo'te being an Allagan creation...

 

...but that's 100% purely speculation on my part!

[LiadansWhisper]

Given some of the things we see in Azys Lla, I think there may be something to miqo'te being an Allagan creation...

 

...but that's 100% purely speculation on my part!

 

It could go either way, I suppose, with G'raha being "evidence."  Why would they entrust his ancestor with their blood?  Maybe they created him.  Or, maybe Miqo'te already were in existence and his ancestor was simply a trusted retainer, as it were.